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 Author:    Posted: Nov. 17, 2002   This Page Viewed: 5,787,223  

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Question of the Week: 1 - 8/7/2000

Who are you going to vote for and why?

Which political platform or candidate are you leaning towards? Do you think that a level of political involvement is important to pagans? Are you registered to vote, will you vote and who -if you don't mind telling the world- are you planning to vote for (or against)?

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Yes I Am Registered To Vote.(registered Repulican)but I Think I... Aug 8th. at 7:31:38 am UTC

Steve Winn (w.Babylon, New York US) Age: 29 - Email


Yes I am registered to vote.(registered repulican)But I think I might vote for Brown for the libertarion party. But I need to go over all the info on all the parties.


After A Long While Of Being Dissatified With Both The Republicans And... Aug 8th. at 5:15:48 am UTC

Kevin Jenkins (Blaidd on the ND page of WotW) (Minot, North Dakota US) Age: 24 - Email


After a long while of being dissatified with both the Republicans and Democrats, I finally found the party that fits my views. The Libertarian party basically paraphrases the Rede in it's political stance. While the Right values economic freedom but social controls, and the Left prefers social freedoms and government controls on the economy, Libertarians look to maximize freedoms in both of those areas and more. The government's only duty is to protect the lives and civil rights of it's citizens, basically protecting them from harm while allowing them to live as they will.


I Am Planning To "vote My Hopes, Not My Fears" And So... Aug 8th. at 4:58:13 am UTC

Tracey (New York, New York US) Age: 24 - Email


I am planning to "vote my hopes, not my fears" and so I am voting for Nader/LaDuke. I have struggled with the decision a bit and not because I have any doubts about getting behind the Green Party platform. The principles of the Green party and the Nader candidacy are not simply the lesser of two evils but affirmatively express the principles I endorse - human rights, a strong labor and environmental stance, commitment to diversity, and feminism.

The part that has been difficult is the possibility of Bush winning and they danger his presidency would pose to reproductive rights, affirmative action, environmental protection as well as the rights of non-majority religious groups. As a close watcher of the Supreme Court, I am also concerned about the power that a conservative administration would have over that institution. While Gore is certainly a better choice than Bush, I fundamentally disagree with many of his policies, especially on the economic issues. I am also still resentful of the Clinton/Gore administration for shifting the entire political debate in this country to the right. I find it laughable that political commentators and the Bush camp keep describing Gore and the democrats as liberal. Would truly a liberal or progressive administration have signed those horrendous welfare and immigration laws in 1996?

So, I came to the decision that I would vote for Nader. Instead of hedging my bets and begrudgingly voting for someone whose policies and principles I don't believe in, I am choosing hope. I know that he can not win this election, and that some people say I am wasting my vote. However, in a way it is a form of magic -- visualization.

Change will not happen while we sit by and wait for it. We have make our move and stand up for what we believe in. There will only begin to be vital alternatives to the Republicrats when people are willing to vote for alternatives. I believe that we must visualize change and a better future, just as we visualize positive outcomes of spells, before it will begin to happen. Just as we then have to actively work towards the desired effects of our magic, we also have to take steps to effect change.

You may think that voting for Nader is a wasted vote. If we are short sighted and think only of a win, then perhaps it is. However, if we look to the future we can begin to make change - if Nader gets 5% of the National Vote, the Green Party will get matching funds in the next presidential election. We have begun and will continue to have a more open national discussion if we can simply get third party candidates into the debates. These are the steps that must be taken to begin to make change. Just as with magic, the effects may at times be slow but they will come if we can visualize the world we want to live in and then direct our energy towards it.

Whoever you choose to vote for, I think it is important for the pagan community to get out there and vote in the coming election.

To learn more about the Nader Campaign and the Green Party:

http://www.votenader.com/
http://www.Nader2000.org/
http://www.greenparty.org/


I Will Leave The Country If The Evil Shrub (bush) Gets Elected... Aug 8th. at 4:33:44 am UTC

trystan (Springfield, Missouri US) Age: 19


I will leave the country if the Evil Shrub (Bush) gets elected, and the planet if Buchanan does. I do not need an incompetent or a Nazi apologist in the Oval Office.

That said, I also oppose Gore, because of his rife hypocrisy on environmental issues. Thus, I support Ralph Nader and Greens. I think they are most in line with my personal ethics.


Greetings All, I Am Leaning Towards The Democratic Opponent-al Gore. In Light... Aug 8th. at 1:57:59 am UTC

~Lynx (Sacramento, California US) Age: 31 - Email


Greetings all,

I am leaning towards the Democratic opponent-Al Gore. In light of George W. Bush's stance on Wicca/Witchcraft, I will never support someone who wants to suppress the rights of our military Pagans or ban any faith. While I would happily cross party lines in favor of the best candidate for "the good of all", I feel that George W. Bush would not be good for all. If he supports a ban on Wicca in the military, who's to say that he will not try to suppress other faiths. If he so proudly proclaims "Jesus Day", this supports that he has no concept of the meaning behind our Freedom of Religion. This type of intolerance has no place in the mind of a leader who is supposed to stand up for our rights and all Americans.

Political involvement of the Pagan community is of utmost importance. How can we protect our rights if we do not get involved in the leaders and laws that make up our country? While I am not pleased with either of the two main candidates, one thing stands clear in my mind-our Religious Freedom MUST be protected. We have learned from past mistakes what happens when one Religion attempts to condemn another. Lest we forget, NEVER again the Burning Times!


I Am Registered To Vote And Will Vote, Unfortunately I Will Probably... Aug 8th. at 1:14:16 am UTC

Turtle Moonchild (Billings, Montana US) Age: 39 - Email


I am registered to vote and will vote, unfortunately I will probably vote for Gore. Unfortunate because I see my choices as lousy and lousier yet. I do not like or agree with Bush's stand on the Wiccan religion so I cannot in good faith vote for him. I don't agree with Gore on many things but in my mind he is the lesser of two evils.


Yes I Am Registered To Vote. I Have Not Decided Yet On... Aug 7th. at 11:39:51 pm UTC

Holda Amber Busch (Shawnee, Oklahoma US) Age: 29


Yes I am registered to vote. I have not decided yet on which party I will vote for. Bush seems to be the greatest evil on the horizen with Dick Chaney. Both are terribly conservative in their beliefs concerning women's rights and issues, and Bush's initial commentary about the Barr/Hood deal really bothered me. I realize that he did issue an apology, but it was the first statement that was in my mind the one that most reflects his feelings on the matter, the apology was nothing more than him covering his arse.

On the other side of the coin, Gore is pandering to more conservative-moderate voters. He has wooed people of such backgrounds by mentioning his "spirituality, " a lot and yet has tried to maintain good relations with with the tree huggers, the women, and all those who are by tradition a large block of the Democratic vote. I will never forget however, the NPR report when some individuals were protesting destruction of forests in S. America and the threat that drilling for oil posed to certain tribe of indigenous people. They protested Gore because he owned substantial stock in the Oil Company that was doing the Drilling. Well Mr. Al "I'm Green" Gore had these people arrested and taken to jail. Now he has further muddied the waters of independent voters by picking a Orthodox Jewish running mate. While I think that such a race will be very telling as to the level of inherent bigotry in this country. His running mate is very conservative and has a decidedly pro-life stance.

As a woman I feel trapped between Chaney and Lieberman, because I suspect that women's issues in general would suffer by the decisions and knowledge of either, both of whom have made it very clear their faith and desire to follow tradition as members of the Abrahamic traditions. Both of whom go by edicts perpetuated by a very patriarchal set of religious practices, specifically when those practices are filtered through the fundamentalist thought process.

As a feminist, I am by their own scripture guilty of Witchcraft through the simple act of social rebellion. While I know that problably neither would take the issue that far, there are those in this country who would like to see Witches and Pagans converted and women back in the kitchen barefoot and preggers, regardless of their own wishes. I have not decided yet, which set of running mates will do the least amount of damages to my lifestyle and freedoms as a female and as a Pagan. Bush will try to appoint conservative justices to the supreme court, he has said that Scalia is his ideal. However, with Gore, He could decide to try and secure voters for a second term by doing the same and winning more conservative voters and conservative-moderates to his side. While this post looks very negative. I intend to vote. I intend to play a part in the election process of this country. I also intend to pay attention to political debates and do some digging of my own.

On another note, it is a shame that Pat Robertson holds so much power over the political machine in this country. I noticed how John McCain fell into political oblivion after criticizing Robertson early in the race. It is a testament to the actual source of power in this country that makes or breaks political aspirations. When Pat could not get elected in the 80's, he decided that instead of being King, he would be King maker. Something worth watching for in terms of PACS and endorsements. Look at Robertson's holdings and the subsidiaries and then follow the money to the PACS (Political Action Committees).


As A Pagan I Am Currently Leaning Towards The Libertarian Party. George... Aug 7th. at 10:52:55 pm UTC

IronCrow (Dallas, Texas US) Age: 33


As a Pagan I am currently leaning towards the Libertarian Party. George W. Bush scares the (put in your favorite euphemism here) out of me. Definitely riding the religious rights horse all the way in. Don't forget what he said about Wicca being allowed in the military (paraphrasing)"Its not a religion and the military should change their mind".

Now as far as Gore is concerned, Socialism scares me as well. I view the constitution as divine in nature. A document written by a bunch of dyed in the wool Christians that orders freedom of religion for all and the right to protect ourselves. Too much gun grabbing going on the Democratic side of the house. Freedom of religion and the freedom to bear arms in an organized militia are both our rights, not our privileges. ThatŐs why I am leaning toward Harry Brown (Lib pres. candidate). Now I will admit that he has not stated any stance on Wicca but the stance that Religion and Government should be separate is good enough for me at this point. I must, however, admit that the selection of Mr. Lieberman for Vice Pres. candidate by Gore does indeed give me allot of hope. BTW donŐt worry about throwing your vote away if you choose a third party candidate. The popular vote is just that, a popularity contest. The real election is done by the electoral collage and they are put in place by the incumbents. I think it would be a hoot to watch a third party candidate win popular vote then one of the two big party candidates get into office. Maybe then we could get rid of the electoral collage.

It doesn't matter if you agree with me or not JUST VOTE!!!!

BTW: Being a Texan myself I can tell you that George W. Bush has had absolutely no effect on the state (except that he has an abismal education record) and I didnt even know his name until he decided to run for Pres.


I Lean More Towards The Democrats In General; The Republicians Are Too... Aug 7th. at 9:48:29 pm UTC

Fiona (Hampton, Virginia US) Age: 27 - Email


I lean more towards the Democrats in general; the Republicians are too conservative for me. And this year in particular, I DO NOT like Bush. I do not want him in office. I am registered to vote and I try to vote in all local and national elections. I plan to make my opinions heard this November, and I try to stay informed on the issues at hand. I don't like to go in undecided; I try to go in having made an educated choice - reguardless of what or who I'm voting for. That's alot of "tries" - but last local election, I succeded with them all and paid attention to the results of the voting the next day. I felt more involved with my community and less like a robot being told what to do. Like the commercials say: "No vote, no choice."

I do think that we need to have political involvement within the pagan community, so that we can be heard and seen as the people that we are, not who others claim us to be. Also to protect our rights to freedom (not just of religion alone) that some Americans seem willing to restrict or remove in the current times. Our forefathers were alot smarter than we give them credit for sometimes, when they wanted seperation of Church and State, and Freedom of Religion. They lived without these things, and I'm willing to take their word for it that we shouldn't withold these rights from others.

Brightest Blessings


I Do Plan To Vote, However I Have Not Yet Made My... Aug 7th. at 9:37:30 pm UTC

RainStorm (Anniston, Alabama US) Age: 23 - Email


I do plan to vote, however I have not yet made my mind up for whom I will vote for. It's pretty much like I have to choose the lesser of two evils. Maybe I need to run for a public office. :o)


The American Political Machine Is A Complete Sham. Our Government Is Owned... Aug 7th. at 9:15:32 pm UTC

Lee (Woodbridge, Virginia US) Age: 31 - Email


The American political machine is a complete sham. Our government is owned by Corporate Amerika, Big Business, and the rich. The system is not reformable, therefore we must work outside of the system... indeed, we must destroy the system. I am an Anarchist, I see all government as corrupt and evil. We must organize, unite, and work cooperatively. No War but the Class War! Needless to say, I will not vote-- voting is worthless. Real change comes when we actively engage in creating solutions.

Anarchy & Peace,


Any Political Platform That Endorses Personal Freedom, Including Freedom Of And Freedom... Aug 7th. at 8:19:03 pm UTC

Mary Wilson (Cartersville, Georgia US) Age: 35 - Email


Any political platform that endorses personal freedom, including freedom of and freedom from others religions, but is fiscally conservative is a hard animal to find. I'm not sure if any of the political candidates can offer that. However, as an American and a woman, I feel it is not merely a right to vote but a priveledge. Not all countries provide this priveledge to choose one's leaders. So as a registered voter since age 18 (am now 35), I will vote.

And who to vote for as none fit my standard for who would do the country most good. The green and reform parties do not have a chance (especially with Buchanan in the driver's seat for the reform--ha!--party) of beating the party who would have us all Christian. So a vote for Gore/Lieberman is a vote against the radical right (and a replay of Reganomics).


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