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Question of the Week: 1 - 8/7/2000

Who are you going to vote for and why?

Which political platform or candidate are you leaning towards? Do you think that a level of political involvement is important to pagans? Are you registered to vote, will you vote and who -if you don't mind telling the world- are you planning to vote for (or against)?

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I Am Registered To Vote And Will Vote, Unfortunately I Will Probably... Aug 8th. at 1:14:16 am UTC

Turtle Moonchild (Billings, Montana US) Age: 39 - Email


I am registered to vote and will vote, unfortunately I will probably vote for Gore. Unfortunate because I see my choices as lousy and lousier yet. I do not like or agree with Bush's stand on the Wiccan religion so I cannot in good faith vote for him. I don't agree with Gore on many things but in my mind he is the lesser of two evils.


Yes I Am Registered To Vote. I Have Not Decided Yet On... Aug 7th. at 11:39:51 pm UTC

Holda Amber Busch (Shawnee, Oklahoma US) Age: 29


Yes I am registered to vote. I have not decided yet on which party I will vote for. Bush seems to be the greatest evil on the horizen with Dick Chaney. Both are terribly conservative in their beliefs concerning women's rights and issues, and Bush's initial commentary about the Barr/Hood deal really bothered me. I realize that he did issue an apology, but it was the first statement that was in my mind the one that most reflects his feelings on the matter, the apology was nothing more than him covering his arse.

On the other side of the coin, Gore is pandering to more conservative-moderate voters. He has wooed people of such backgrounds by mentioning his "spirituality, " a lot and yet has tried to maintain good relations with with the tree huggers, the women, and all those who are by tradition a large block of the Democratic vote. I will never forget however, the NPR report when some individuals were protesting destruction of forests in S. America and the threat that drilling for oil posed to certain tribe of indigenous people. They protested Gore because he owned substantial stock in the Oil Company that was doing the Drilling. Well Mr. Al "I'm Green" Gore had these people arrested and taken to jail. Now he has further muddied the waters of independent voters by picking a Orthodox Jewish running mate. While I think that such a race will be very telling as to the level of inherent bigotry in this country. His running mate is very conservative and has a decidedly pro-life stance.

As a woman I feel trapped between Chaney and Lieberman, because I suspect that women's issues in general would suffer by the decisions and knowledge of either, both of whom have made it very clear their faith and desire to follow tradition as members of the Abrahamic traditions. Both of whom go by edicts perpetuated by a very patriarchal set of religious practices, specifically when those practices are filtered through the fundamentalist thought process.

As a feminist, I am by their own scripture guilty of Witchcraft through the simple act of social rebellion. While I know that problably neither would take the issue that far, there are those in this country who would like to see Witches and Pagans converted and women back in the kitchen barefoot and preggers, regardless of their own wishes. I have not decided yet, which set of running mates will do the least amount of damages to my lifestyle and freedoms as a female and as a Pagan. Bush will try to appoint conservative justices to the supreme court, he has said that Scalia is his ideal. However, with Gore, He could decide to try and secure voters for a second term by doing the same and winning more conservative voters and conservative-moderates to his side. While this post looks very negative. I intend to vote. I intend to play a part in the election process of this country. I also intend to pay attention to political debates and do some digging of my own.

On another note, it is a shame that Pat Robertson holds so much power over the political machine in this country. I noticed how John McCain fell into political oblivion after criticizing Robertson early in the race. It is a testament to the actual source of power in this country that makes or breaks political aspirations. When Pat could not get elected in the 80's, he decided that instead of being King, he would be King maker. Something worth watching for in terms of PACS and endorsements. Look at Robertson's holdings and the subsidiaries and then follow the money to the PACS (Political Action Committees).


As A Pagan I Am Currently Leaning Towards The Libertarian Party. George... Aug 7th. at 10:52:55 pm UTC

IronCrow (Dallas, Texas US) Age: 33


As a Pagan I am currently leaning towards the Libertarian Party. George W. Bush scares the (put in your favorite euphemism here) out of me. Definitely riding the religious rights horse all the way in. Don't forget what he said about Wicca being allowed in the military (paraphrasing)"Its not a religion and the military should change their mind".

Now as far as Gore is concerned, Socialism scares me as well. I view the constitution as divine in nature. A document written by a bunch of dyed in the wool Christians that orders freedom of religion for all and the right to protect ourselves. Too much gun grabbing going on the Democratic side of the house. Freedom of religion and the freedom to bear arms in an organized militia are both our rights, not our privileges. ThatŐs why I am leaning toward Harry Brown (Lib pres. candidate). Now I will admit that he has not stated any stance on Wicca but the stance that Religion and Government should be separate is good enough for me at this point. I must, however, admit that the selection of Mr. Lieberman for Vice Pres. candidate by Gore does indeed give me allot of hope. BTW donŐt worry about throwing your vote away if you choose a third party candidate. The popular vote is just that, a popularity contest. The real election is done by the electoral collage and they are put in place by the incumbents. I think it would be a hoot to watch a third party candidate win popular vote then one of the two big party candidates get into office. Maybe then we could get rid of the electoral collage.

It doesn't matter if you agree with me or not JUST VOTE!!!!

BTW: Being a Texan myself I can tell you that George W. Bush has had absolutely no effect on the state (except that he has an abismal education record) and I didnt even know his name until he decided to run for Pres.


I Lean More Towards The Democrats In General; The Republicians Are Too... Aug 7th. at 9:48:29 pm UTC

Fiona (Hampton, Virginia US) Age: 27 - Email


I lean more towards the Democrats in general; the Republicians are too conservative for me. And this year in particular, I DO NOT like Bush. I do not want him in office. I am registered to vote and I try to vote in all local and national elections. I plan to make my opinions heard this November, and I try to stay informed on the issues at hand. I don't like to go in undecided; I try to go in having made an educated choice - reguardless of what or who I'm voting for. That's alot of "tries" - but last local election, I succeded with them all and paid attention to the results of the voting the next day. I felt more involved with my community and less like a robot being told what to do. Like the commercials say: "No vote, no choice."

I do think that we need to have political involvement within the pagan community, so that we can be heard and seen as the people that we are, not who others claim us to be. Also to protect our rights to freedom (not just of religion alone) that some Americans seem willing to restrict or remove in the current times. Our forefathers were alot smarter than we give them credit for sometimes, when they wanted seperation of Church and State, and Freedom of Religion. They lived without these things, and I'm willing to take their word for it that we shouldn't withold these rights from others.

Brightest Blessings


I Do Plan To Vote, However I Have Not Yet Made My... Aug 7th. at 9:37:30 pm UTC

RainStorm (Anniston, Alabama US) Age: 23 - Email


I do plan to vote, however I have not yet made my mind up for whom I will vote for. It's pretty much like I have to choose the lesser of two evils. Maybe I need to run for a public office. :o)


The American Political Machine Is A Complete Sham. Our Government Is Owned... Aug 7th. at 9:15:32 pm UTC

Lee (Woodbridge, Virginia US) Age: 31 - Email


The American political machine is a complete sham. Our government is owned by Corporate Amerika, Big Business, and the rich. The system is not reformable, therefore we must work outside of the system... indeed, we must destroy the system. I am an Anarchist, I see all government as corrupt and evil. We must organize, unite, and work cooperatively. No War but the Class War! Needless to say, I will not vote-- voting is worthless. Real change comes when we actively engage in creating solutions.

Anarchy & Peace,


Any Political Platform That Endorses Personal Freedom, Including Freedom Of And Freedom... Aug 7th. at 8:19:03 pm UTC

Mary Wilson (Cartersville, Georgia US) Age: 35 - Email


Any political platform that endorses personal freedom, including freedom of and freedom from others religions, but is fiscally conservative is a hard animal to find. I'm not sure if any of the political candidates can offer that. However, as an American and a woman, I feel it is not merely a right to vote but a priveledge. Not all countries provide this priveledge to choose one's leaders. So as a registered voter since age 18 (am now 35), I will vote.

And who to vote for as none fit my standard for who would do the country most good. The green and reform parties do not have a chance (especially with Buchanan in the driver's seat for the reform--ha!--party) of beating the party who would have us all Christian. So a vote for Gore/Lieberman is a vote against the radical right (and a replay of Reganomics).


I'm Afraid That A Vote For Any Party Other Than Reps Or... Aug 7th. at 6:56:19 pm UTC

Nighteyes (Hopkinsville, Kentucky US) Age: 26 - Email


I'm afraid that a vote for any party other than Reps or Dems is a wasted vote. You may have voted your concious but you nonetheless have helped the winner get into office by not voting for his real competitor. I've read several posts that claim that the courts will protect our religious rights, however, when George W. gets to appoint all of those lovely Conservative Supreme Court Justices, the highest court in the land won't be able to help us. Say goodbye to Roe v. Wade, and expect to see the ACLU comming up with a lot fewer victories against religious bigotry. I don't want to vote for Gore, but will have to as a vote against Bush. George W. is a dangerous man to our country long term, justices don't step down from office very often and the ones he chooses will be making our laws for quite a long time!


Voting, To Me, Isn't So Much 'making My Voice Heard' As It... Aug 7th. at 6:44:31 pm UTC

Aldora (Boise, Idaho US) Age: 17


Voting, to me, isn't so much 'making my voice heard' as it is a way of affirming my right to complain.

My parents (conservative and Republican and *gasp* open-minded) have given me responsibilty over my life for as long as I can remember. I had a social security number at 2, a checking account at 12, and a credit card at 13. I pay my own bills. I have educated myself, with my parents' help, since the third grade. Yet I am not considered an adult by the administrators of my college; I have to drive forty-five miles from my home to get my mother to sign a simple slip of paper authorizing a meal plan change. I may edit the Honors Student Association Newsletter, I may be on the Dean's list of the College of Engineering, but I am not trusted to change my meal plan on a scholarship -I- went out and dragged home. And I am not allowed to complain about my government through the only means that counts - by saying "I voted."

I am a Libertarian. I am not registered, but I will be on my birthday. I am also a home-schooled brat, a role-player, a woman, and an Idahoan. Tipper Gore is at the top of my List of People Not To Vote For. I like Laura Bush. Her husband ain't so great, but - oh well. The lesser of the two Weevils, so to speak. There's also the education issue. (Colin Powell was right. ;-) Gore, to me, stands for the NEA, and the NEA stands for the poor quality of education in the United States. In the end, I'll probably vote for Bush ... even if her hubby IS the name on the ticket, she's the First Lady, and that's all that counts.


I Believe That Political Involvement Is Important For Every American. As A... Aug 7th. at 6:37:11 pm UTC

Connor Willowsidhe (Arlington, Texas US) Age: 25


I believe that political involvement is important for every american. As a veteran, I find it disheartening to witness the naievity of the masses when it comes to American politics and history. I am sickened by the left in its attempt to regulate everything under the sun and to tax the working class family out of existence. As a pagan, I am concerned about the insensitivity expressed by the right toward minority faiths.

Ideally, I would vote libertarian, but the strategy this time around is to win.

I will be voting Republican this November. I am one of many conservative pagans that would rather see Bush than Gore in office come January. ( Despite what other posts have mentioned, there are many conservative pagans about).

The courts will protect our first amendment rights, and the republicans will lower our taxes and end social promotions in our schools. The Bush-Cheney ticket has hope of restoring integrity and consistency to the executive branch, even if it is not as friendly to our religious thoughts as we would like.


I Had Been Mildly Leaning Toward The Democratic Ticket, Mostly As A... Aug 7th. at 6:34:16 pm UTC

Rick Johnson (Yorktown, Virginia US) Age: 0 - Email


I had been mildly leaning toward the Democratic ticket, mostly as a vote AGAINST the Republicans, but with Gore's announcement today of Joe Lieberman as his running mate, I no longer can justify voting for the Democrats. The Bush/Cheney and Gore/Liberman "choices" are, in my view, a choice between a conservative Republican ticket and a liberal Republican ticket. To the nether regions with them both I say. I'm going to vote either Green or Libertarian (but likely Green). I mean, with the available choices, why NOT vote my conscience?


As Of Now I Am Leaning Towards Al Gore. He Doesn't Mix... Aug 7th. at 6:24:32 pm UTC

LadyMoonDragen (Cheektowaga, NY, New York US) Age: 20 - Email


As of now I am leaning towards Al Gore. He doesn't mix his religion with his campaining. Thats just one reason. No I dont think involvement is important. I think religion all together should be left out of the goverment. I am registered to vote. I WILL be voting, if I can be the one person that keeps George Bush from winning, by goddess I will vote. G. Bush stands against EVERYTHING I stand for.


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