The opinions posted on the Pagan Perspective pages are those of individuals and are not neccessarily shared or endorsed by the Witches' Voice inc.
Posted: Nov. 17, 2002
||This Page Viewed: 6,188,532
Vox Q Stats|
Times Viewed: 32,767
Lurker/Post Ratio: 33 to 1
Question of the Week: 59 - 9/11/2001
911 America: Talking Through The Terror...
Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.
What are your thoughts on these incidents? How are you feeling? Feel free to post any magickal workings or other support gatherings planned in your area.
WebNote 9/16/2001: Since we launched this on 911 this forum as become laced with powerful inspiration and critical information, feel free to use the search functions on your left to better define the info you are looking for. Search for your area, famous Pagans, key words etc. Also check Wren's Nest News for the latest news related to our community.
| Reponses: There are 969 responses posted to this question.
|| Reverse Sort
| What Do You Say? Everytime I Try To Gather My Thoughts I... ||Sep 16th. at 1:10:14 pm UTC|
|Bill Avery (Winnipeg, Manitoba CA) ||Age: 37 |
What do you say? Everytime I try to gather my thoughts I draw a complete blank. In a few short minutes I saw what is best and what is worst in people.
Like everyone else my life is continuosly changed by the world around me. I only hope that the lesson we are being taught by this is learned, so it won't ever be repeated.
| Tuesday Afternoon I Pulled My American Flag Down From The Closet Shelf... ||Sep 16th. at 12:42:02 pm UTC|
|Hope Willowwind (Naperville, Illinois US) ||Age: 30 - Email |
Tuesday afternoon I pulled my American flag down from the closet shelf. There it had sat for ten long years. Folded neatly into a proper triangle, it had been presented to me with great ceremony by my best friend at my father's wiccan memorial service. I hugged it to my chest and looked at my husband, "Help me find something to tie it with." Both military veterans ourselves he pulled out his combat boots and stripped them of their laces.
Out to the apartment balcony we went, and unfurled the precious memorial over the side of the rail. It's very long, as casket flags tend to be, it covers the window of the gentleman below us. He was happy to have his view obstructed by "Old Glory."
So there it waves, upon the side of a small apartment building, in the heart of the middle America. The symbol of our country, earned by the patriotic service of a gay Army veteran during the Vietnam War, held steady by the boot stings of a Pagan veteran of the US Army, freely given by a female US Naval veteran who served during Desert Storm.
All of us Pagan, each ones Patriotism undeniable. We serve and fight and die. We rush into places while others flee. Our hearts reach out to the masses with Hope and Love and Peace, not just now but always.
| At First I Was Numb With Horror. For Over 24 Hours, I... ||Sep 16th. at 12:20:13 pm UTC|
|Kate Curtis (Norwalk) ||Age: 46 - Email |
At first I was numb with horror. For over 24 hours, I believed my brother and niece to have been killed (since they worked close to the WTC). I'm sure you can imagine my relief when the word came at 11:00 Wednesday morning that they and their families, albeit being close to ground zero, were evacuated quickly and safely. I have been a psychological and psychic counselor for over 20 years and for the first time I found I couldn't counsel anyone! I am feeling much better and more clear now and can once again perform my skill. I am concerned that, while there are plenty of counseling services available for Christians, Jews and Muslims, the Pagan populations have been largely overlooked. If there is anyone near me (the Greater New York City area) or would like to communicate via e-mail who feels that they need to talk with a counselor who understands at least in part what a Pagan might be feeling right now or what they should do, please contact me. My phone number is 203-847-4883. Just ask for Breice (Breessy). The one thing I am counseling ALL people about is the desire for revenge or attack. Remember the Rule of Three. If you send negative energy out to anyone, it will come back to you TIMES THREE! No matter how justified you may feel you are, and no matter how much you want to see the people responsible for these acts punished, it is NOT your job nor your right. The Universe will sort this out. Please allow the powers that be who understand more about what really happened (trust me, we have not been given the whole nor correct story) to dispatch justice. Your goal right now should be to work toward LOVE and understanding of your fellow man/woman. In whatever way I may be of service in this dream, please let me know. Bright Blessings, Hope and LOVE!
| I've Seen A Lot Of Postings From A Lot Of Pagans Who... ||Sep 16th. at 11:49:29 am UTC|
|Maeve (Laurel, Maryland US) ||Age: 36 - Email |
I've seen a lot of postings from a lot of Pagans who say that the US shouldn't respond to this act of war that was perpetrated against the citizens of the world. A lot of people are saying that we shouldn't go to war. Well, we ARE at war. Not with any one nation, but with a hidden army of people who use religion as a mask for their hatred. If people want to spread white light, healing, etc. that's all well and good. But the fact remains that the blood of the innocent victims is calling out for a response. No, I am NOT advocating bombing anyone indiscriminately! That's a knee-jerk response that will only create more victims. Besides, the ones responsible are hiding like the cowards that they are, so we need to find them first.
When England was attacked during WWII, the Witches of that country banded together to protect their land. We need to do the same for ours. If you want to spread white light, have it focus like a laser beam on those murderers, so that we can find them and bring them to justice.
Also, remember the Pagans who are serving their country in the military, law enforcement, rescue services, and the intelligence community. They will need our help and support like never before, because they are on the front lines of this effort. Please send them your strength and energy, so that they may do what needs to be done without further casualties.
| With Malice Towards None... With Charity For All; With Firmness In The... ||Sep 16th. at 11:42:17 am UTC|
|Steve McManus, aka Amorgen (Conway, New Hampshire US) ||Age: 41 - Email |
"With malice towards none... with charity for all; with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation's wounds; to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow and his orphan-- to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves, and with all nations."
Abraham Lincoln, March 4, 1865
| First Of All, I Want To Express My Sorrow For The Events... ||Sep 16th. at 10:54:02 am UTC|
|WrenFairy (Columbia, South Carolina US) ||Age: 25 - Email |
First of all, I want to express my sorrow for the events that have occurred. I do not know anyone directly affected by this horrible tragedy, but I feel their pain nonetheless. That said, in reading the posts, the opinion seems almost unanimous against taking military action in retribution for Tuesday's attack. I have read everyone's reasons as to why we should not go to war, and they are very good reasons. I agree with most of them, if not all. And while I respect the opinion of everyone in this forum, a question remains unanswered. If war is not the answer, what is? No one seems to have offered an alternative solution. We can pray, we can light candles, we can perform rituals (I have done all three, myself.), but at the end of the day, the people who perpetuated this terrible crime are still walking around freely. I'm sorry--perhaps I'm not as "mature" as others out there, but I'm angry, I'm scared, and I want them to pay for what they did. No, I do not feel anger towards innocent Muslims or Middle Eastern people, and I also agree that if we decide to bomb Afghanistan it is likely that by the time we do, our true target may no longer be there. But I want terrorism wiped out, and while I do not personally have the solution, I welcome anyone who does to please share it.
| I Am Sick Of The Press Broadcasting Military Troop Movements, Deployment Schedules... ||Sep 16th. at 10:50:46 am UTC|
|Stephanie (Midwest City, Oklahoma US) ||Age: 30 - Email |
I am sick of the press broadcasting military troop movements, deployment schedules, the president and the vice president's location and routes. I am sick of watching the press broadcast the location of agents and teams in the middle of investigations live as if it were a reality television show. Like terrorists do not watch television? Everytime the press releases that kind of information under these kinds of circumstances, they place federal agents, military members and the executive Branch in imminent physical danger. If I were an active duty military member and I were to release that kind of information, I would loose my security clearance and then I would be discharged from active duty with other charges pending. I remember in Somalia, when the press lit up the beach and the U.S. Marines who were storming it, illuminating them for possible snipers. Everyone knows that these people place themselves in harms way, the press is insuring that harm will come to these military members and agents everytime they broadcase plans, locations and strategies. We have freedom of press with the understanding that it would be used responsibly, this is not the example of responsible press coverage.
| A Few Years Ago, A War Was Raging In My Country. I... ||Sep 16th. at 10:32:06 am UTC|
|Petra (Zagreb, Croatia) ||Age: 30 |
A few years ago, a war was raging in my country. I know what it's like to be afraid, to watch and feel the pain, and still I don't think I can even imagine what America must be going through. Probably all of Croatian people was in front of TV's this week, watching CNN all day long, feeling as if we were attacked. And in a sense, we were, because every normal human being must feel this horrible act as an attack upon all humanity. I can't find the words to express my sadness, anger, and disbelief. I can only offer my deepest condolences to all of you who lost somebody.
I hope America can find the strenght not to start the war, despite the desire for revenge. I hope you can show the rest of the world what it means to be big, really big, as this little corner of the world percieves you. I hope and pray that you find the way for reaching justice without shedding more blood.
| I Look Out My Window To Where The Wtc Used To Stand... ||Sep 16th. at 10:21:20 am UTC|
|Oldcrow (NYC, New York US) ||Age: 31 - Email |
I look out my window to where the WTC used to stand proudly as guardians to the Statue of Liberty and ambassadors of New York CityŐs Harbor. Some would say beacons that would welcome home the wary traveler and the daily reminder were the train home was. They weŐre alive in every sense of the word, they breathed, moved, and pulsed with every life-energy that inhabited them. Those building weŐre forged by human hand as a monument of what we can make from the body of our Great Mother.
I look out my window and see them gone, a pocket of empty space that use to glitter like two scepters in the night, completing the jewelry of lights. No longer the beacons of home but of travesty. Gone with them the breath of life that inhabited them and the breath of awe of their sheer existence. Replaced is numbing emptiness and a gasp of breathe and sighs of devastation. What human hands made human hands took away.
Am I to be angry, terrorized, confused, sadden, devastated, numb, hurt, fearful? Pick one or all and you would be right. I am struck to the very core of my being. Normally with a dirty joke up my sleeve and snicker on my face, I find nothing to laugh about and my facial expression empty. These types of horrors have been around since the dawn of time and will continue on til I am not here to witness them. This time terror has struck home, and took the very symbol of home to me.
Today I stand looking at once was and try to mimic what they symbolized to me because those I care for and those who I meet by chance need me to be. I donŐt know the answers nor to I profess to, but I have a shoulder to cry on, ears to listen and a heart to feel.
May Grandfather Sun warm you
May Grandmother Moon guild you in your darkness
May FatherSky stand guard over you
And May GreatMother Earth cradle you
| Personally, I Would Be Cheering To No End If A Squad Of... ||Sep 16th. at 10:01:20 am UTC|
|Rilluin Curusul (Carlsbad, California US) ||Age: 16 - Email |
Personally, I would be cheering to no end if a squad of InterPol agents broke into the rat hole that bin Laden has run down and nabbed him and his major advisors, then a group of CIA agents did the same to the Taliban's ruling elite and then all of the above were brought to trial for their crimes and punished through due process of the law, but it would hurt me to no end to see US bombers and troops pummelling the crap out of a village that has just one suspected terrorist in it. Yes, I want to see this monster and those who hide him brought to justice, but not the innocent, unknowing people of Afganistan killed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. That would make this country even worse and more heartless than they.
Bright Blessings all,
| Pray For Peace. I Propose A Worldwide Circle, And For Every Wiccan... ||Sep 16th. at 8:40:22 am UTC|
|Lotus Randomfactor (Memphis, Tennessee US) ||Age: 25 - Email |
Pray for peace. I propose a worldwide circle, and for every Wiccan and Pagan out there to do a small ritual to bring those responsible to justice, and those innocents to protection.
If the USA goes to "bomb Afghanistan back into the stone age, " as they have put it, we will be doing nothing but bringing more blood onto our hands as a nation, and inviting further, more violent, more devistating retributions. An eye for an eye only invites more tears.
What of those innocent Muslims, both in the Middle East and in America? How many more innocents will have to suffer before we wake up and start making real changes, and becoming really mature?
Our anger is there, and there is nothing wrong with that. It's natural and understandable. But let us not be so angry we want to destroy, but angry enough that we want to change things.
| May I Offer My Deepest Condolences To The American People For The... ||Sep 16th. at 8:27:55 am UTC|
|Lamia (Liverpool, England UK) ||Age: 42 - Email |
May I offer my deepest condolences to the American people for the tragedy they are currently suffering and assure them that the thoughts of all of us in the UK are with you at this terrible time. Although I did not know anyone involved in this tragedy personally, I work for a large insurance company and we are told that one of our American colleagues who worked in the WTC is still missing, so in some small way at least, this tragedy is affecting everyone in the west, everyone knows someone, who knows someone etc. I live in Liverpool, so I know well how tragedy (in our case the Hillsborough disaster) can affect an entire city and the endless questions that haunt you afterwards, the why and the how of it. If any of my American brothers and sisters just want someone to talk to, please feel free to e-mail me. I will dedicate my next working to the American people and the promotion of peace between the people of the world.
May all the Gods grant you peace & love.
Web Site Content (including: text - graphics - html - look & feel)
Copyright 1997-2014 The Witches' Voice Inc. All rights reserved
Note: Authors & Artists retain the copyright for their work(s) on this website.
Unauthorized reproduction without prior permission is a violation of copyright laws.
Website structure, evolution and php coding by Fritz Jung on a Macintosh G5.
Any and all personal political opinions expressed in the public listing sections (including, but not restricted to, personals, events, groups, shops, Wrenâ€™s Nest, etc.) are solely those of the author(s) and do not reflect the opinion of The Witchesâ€™ Voice, Inc. TWV is a nonprofit, nonpartisan educational organization.
Sponsorship: Visit the Witches' Voice Sponsor Page for info on how you
can help support this Community Resource. Donations ARE Tax Deductible.
The Witches' Voice carries a 501(c)(3) certificate and a Federal Tax ID.
Mail Us: The Witches' Voice Inc., P.O. Box 341018, Tampa, Florida 33694-1018 U.S.A.