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Question of the Week: 14 - 11/6/2000

The Unresolved US Election

Did YOU vote? Which candidate did you vote for? How do you feel about the political wrangling going on right now in Florida? Will/Should either candidate concede for the good of the country-or should either/both fight it out until we all scream for mercy? How do you think either candidate, if declared the winner, will be able to bring the country together given the inference that the election results now point to an America that is almost equally divided into one camp or the other? And the BIG question-What, if any, impact will the final results have on the Pagan communities?

 Reponses:   There are 263 responses posted to this question. Reverse Sort 

I Voted For Gore/lieberman; Although In My Neck Of The Woods... Nov 9th. at 8:48:14 pm EST

Anne Niven (Point Arena, California US) Age: 41 - Email

I voted for Gore/Lieberman; although in my neck of the woods any vote *except*
for Nader was considered quite retro. Nader, to me, seemed to be sadly trading
his role as a crusader for that of a demogogue, and didn't help anyone.

Bush is a boob, and a corporate boob at that. But what with Congress being
locked in knots and the illegitimacy of the election, nobody is gonna get
anything done for 4 years anyway.

Sigh. That will show us for holding an election on the very day of a
Mercury Retrograde change!

Well Another Election Year Has Gone By, And Yet Again I Am... Nov 9th. at 8:47:46 pm EST

Kerri (Windsor, Ontario CA) Age: 18 - Email

Well another election year has gone by, and yet again I am convinced of the utter impossibility of the American electoral process. Now, I don't mean this as an insult to Americans, some of my best friends are American, I simply feel that the electoral process is quite, to put it mildly, silly.

Let's start of with the campaign. An entire year is crazy, it's much too long, it just drags things out. And the mudslinging, my goodness, is it utterly impossible for there to be an election without candidates insulting eachother every minute?

Secondly, the voting process doesn't work very well, as we can see from the indisicion we are currently seeing. It would make much more sense to simply count all the votes and get it over with, but no, that would be too easy.

As for this year's candidates, that's a hard choice, Tweedle-Dee, or Tweedle-Dumb. One the one hand we have a guy who thinks he invented the internet, and on the other hand we have a guy who in his book wrote that he hoped Quebec would separate from canada so that the United States could annex the great white north, leaving Quebec by itself. Yeah, real smart, make war on the most peaceful country in the world.

All I can say is that I understand completely why most Americans don't make the effort to vote, with a situation like this who would brave the incomprehendability of the whole process?

Yes I Voted. I Don't Think My Vote For Nader Was A... Nov 9th. at 8:44:10 pm EST

Starlite (Olympia, Washington US) Age: 27

Yes I voted. I don't think my vote for Nader was a wasted vote. Although the race is still very tight I believe the issues the green party represents are not views that can be labled wasted. I don't think I would of punched any box if I had to choose between Gore and Bush. I honestly think that in ten years from now when all the truth about Florida comes out there will be one candidate whose views got a lot of attention. Nader. Democarats will have to reexamine their stands on many issues labled green isssues by 2004. I think it is an incredible time to be an American WHO VOTED because I feel that a lot of change is going to happen. We all have our views. No one can say who is right or wrong. But maybe one thing is true. EVERY VOTE COUNTS!!!! And this is a great time to let all your views be known....

I Didn't Vote. Not Old Enough. Missed It By One Month. Really... Nov 9th. at 8:42:39 pm EST

WindSong (Los Alamos, New Mexico US) Age: 17 - Email

I didn't vote. Not old enough. Missed it by one month. Really mad. I think something was really off kilter in Florida. We need to do it over. It is really screwed up that we're divided into these two parties, but as long as we have an electoral college we will never have a third party president. That's why those votes are wasted. We don't need to work on the Democrat and Republican parties, we need to get rid of the E. C. It is outdated and unconstitutional. How can a president truly represent the American people if he can win an election without the popular vote. That is really messed up. This country is going downhill fast. We need a party that knows how to compromise in our best interests without breaking the Constitution. I'm really worried about our First Amendment rights if Bush wins. I wouldn't mind so much about him if it weren't for the openings in the Supreme Court. However, I heard that some justices have decided they won't retire if he does win. We can only wish them good health.

May the Bright Lady watch over us. We need it.

Blessed Be.

I Voted For Bush Which Was A Huge Upset To Most Of... Nov 9th. at 8:25:10 pm EST

Starie (Thousand Oaks, California US) Age: 20 - Email

I voted for Bush which was a huge upset to most of my friends and co-workers, who are largely Gore suporters. I was very upset by the way both canidates treated my age group. True, we don't usually vote in large groups, but wouldn't it be an asset to have us on your side if you so decided to turn out in masses?

Yes, I All Americans And Especially Pagans Should, As These... Nov 9th. at 8:24:05 pm EST

Selvanus (Royal Oak, Michigan US) Age: 34

Yes, I all Americans and ESPECIALLY pagans should, as these elections are what keep us free to be who we are.

Perhaps I am a bit overly optimistic about these things, but I do believe that we must rely at all times to what our constitution says and keep it's principals. All things will work out and regardless of which man wins this Presidential election, we must rally behind him as well as keep the pressure on him and the rest of our elected officials to maintain our rights as Pagan Americans!

I Would Have Voted For Gore If I Could Have. That's Okay... Nov 9th. at 7:58:21 pm EST

Chaos CHilde (Colton, California US) Age: 22

I would have voted for Gore if I could have. That's okay, cause he won in my state anyways. I don't think Gore should concede to Bush, I want to see it played out fair and square. After this whole thing, everyone in AMerica will be so glad it's over they'll unite in a happy celebration of actually having a president.

If Gore is elected everything in pagan communities will remain about how it is now. I shudder to think what will happen with Bush. He has been quoted saying he doesn't believe WIcca is a viable religion. He's all for removing it from the military.

I Feel That Bush Only Believes That His Religion Is The Only... Nov 9th. at 7:54:03 pm EST

mary derosa (jackson, New Jersey US) Age: 35 - Email

i feel that bush only believes that his religion is the only way.i would like to see gore win i hope that he does we need to keep demecrats in the house.

I Voted, And Voted For Ralph Nader. I Know, I Know. No... Nov 9th. at 7:52:59 pm EST

Shannon McNamara (Las Vegas, Nevada US) Age: 21 - Email

I voted, and voted for Ralph Nader. I know, I know. No chance of winning, and I knew that when I voted for him, but my hope was that if more people voted for him, perhaps whatever candidate did get elected would pay more attention to the issues that he stands for. As for what's going on in Florida now, if I were to have more faith in the candidates, I'd think they'd BOTH want the outcome to reflect what the people actually wanted/want, and wouldn't object to a re-count. And if upwards of 19, 000 people found the ballot confusing enough that they had trouble filling it out and were left with their votes uncounted, I think they need to concede that maybe there WAS a problem with the ballot design that ended up interfering with those people's constitutional right to have their votes for the leader of their choice included with the votes of the rest of the country. 19, 000 people is not a small number, if that many people found it confusing, I think they need to concede that there was a problem. And if there was a problem, it needs to be remedied. Perhaps a recount is the best way to do that. If someone can think of a better way, I'd be open to hearing it. As for how I think this will effect the Pagan community, one of the largest impacts I can think of is on Women and their right to choose, Feminism and Women's rights being an issue Pagans traditionally have been concerned with. The next president will be appointing, I think it's 6, but don't quote me on that because I could have the number wrong, Supreme Court Justices, and if those justices share the values of the President who appointed them (a fair bet) and that president is a Republican, we could very well see a strong and, frighteningly, perhaps successful push to overturn Roe vs. Wade. I know that not all Pagans are Pro-Choice, and don't mean to imply that they are, but whatever your personal beliefs are, this issue is certainly of interest. And, of course, religious freedom is a huge issue that the next president will be dealing with. With the both congress and the senate dominated by Republicans, and, quite possibly, a Republican president, I think there will be a huge push towards eliminating evolution from the curriculum in public schools (come on people! it's already happened in two states!), mandated school prayer, posting of the ten commandments in schools (already happening!), and a slew of other, what I consider, infringements on the religious liberty of minority religions. And what of the fate of our Pagan men and women in the military? It's hard for me to think that things will get better for them with the person in charge of the country openly against them. I mean, Bush has outright said that he doesn't consider Wicca or Witchcraft to be a religion and it therefore shouldn't be afforded the same legal rights as other religions. I find myself very afraid for my own religious freedom and right to make decisions about my own body at the hands of a president like George W. Bush.

Well Considering That Only 52% Of The Population Voted I Find It... Nov 9th. at 7:48:10 pm EST

Rev. Maya Ravensong (Council Bluffs, Iowa US) Age: 28 - Email

Well considering that only 52% of the population voted I find it really annyoing
that people who did not vote at all are even complaining. I also find it suspisous that 1900 votes were thrown out in florida because the people who DID vvote got confused and voted for two candidates. Don't you find it interesting that on the recount that V.P. Gore accquired more votes than on the original count? What about the people who in Florida say that they accidently voted for Pat B., when they ment to vote for V.P. Gore!! What the ehck would we find if we did a recount of ALL votes everywhere?? And the Electorial Collage... an old outdated idea which has no place in America today. The fact that the people of the USA do NOT elect the President but the E.C. does is so frustrating I could puke. Gore has the popular vote he should be president. Not that I like or support Gore, I wanted Nader.

I Wasn't Able To Vote, But Had I Been Allowed, It Would... Nov 9th. at 7:46:13 pm EST

Torin (Newport, North Carolina US) Age: 17 - Email

I wasn't able to vote, but had I been allowed, it would have been for Nader, especially since Gore didn't ahve much chance in the Tar Heel state anyway (we even supported Dole!). I agree that FL should revote, precisely because, as someone said, this election clearly did NOT express the will of the people, and what's the point in an election that doesn't express the will of the people? This is the first time this situation (one candidate losing the popular but winning the electoral) has occured since everyone over 18 recieved the right to vote... which i think makes the issue of the people's will all that much more important. I think the fact that this is happening in Jeb's state is slightly suspicious, seeing as how a box of absentee ballots was "found" in a state trooper's patrol car and all.. but I'm not crying foul yet.

Yes I Voted (it's Not Just A Right It's A Privledge). I... Nov 9th. at 7:37:33 pm EST

amber (seaford) Age: 21

yes i voted (it's not just a right it's a privledge). i voted for gore but was undecided between him and ralphl ( i wanted my vote to count). I think flordia needs to have a re-vote due to all for the votes that were tossed out. are the republicans trying to say that the american people are stupid and and that our votes don't matter as long as you are in the win. every person 18 and over is entitled to be heard and this is one of the major ways to be heard. i feel that no party sould concede. even if i don't agree with the other party they also have the right to a fair election and if it means we have to wait then i feel it's worth the wait so that the who ever is chosen is not there by mistake.

the last to questions are to hard to answer right now. it will take a while to see how things work out.

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