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911 America: Talking Through The Terror...

Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.

What are your thoughts on these incidents? How are you feeling? Feel free to post any magickal workings or other support gatherings planned in your area.

WebNote 9/16/2001: Since we launched this on 911 this forum as become laced with powerful inspiration and critical information, feel free to use the search functions on your left to better define the info you are looking for. Search for your area, famous Pagans, key words etc. Also check Wren's Nest News for the latest news related to our community.

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When My Mothers Friend Called Monday Morning, I Listened To My Mother's... Sep 14th. at 10:26:30 pm UTC

Sylver Hawke (Worcester, New York US) Age: 18 - Email

When my mothers friend called Monday morning, I listened to my mother's reaction to the words I could not hear. I knew something horrible had happened, however I was not prepared for what I saw when my mother shouted to turn on the news. As the news unfolded, I realized how naive I truly was. I thought that nothing like this could ever happen here, not in a country as civilized and safe as the U.S. I realized that no matter how civilized and safe we are, we cannot protect ourselves from those who are not. Starting at 9 a.m. on Tuesday morning I have been writing down every piece of information about this tragedy as I can in my journal. I have collected as many newspapers as I can. I guess it helps me to understand and take in what I see and hear on the news. I can look back and teach my children 20 yrs from now, never take your freedom for granted, because it can be disrupted as quickly as this. I take comfort in the fact that those souls who lost their lives are being comforted in the arms of the Goddess. We are stronger as a nation now. We are not torn, we are strong and we will prevail!

I Think This Sums My Thoughts Up As A Pagan Who Seeks... Sep 14th. at 10:22:55 pm UTC

Lily McAllister (Atlanta, Georgia US) Age: 40

I think this sums my thoughts up as a pagan who seeks tolerance.

From the New Zealand Herald:

Dialogue: If only we could put God on hold

What a shame the world couldn't have a moratorium on God for the 21st century, I thought after watching some young Palestinians dancing gleefully in the streets, celebrating the New York slaughter, and shouting "God is great".

It was a few minutes after Ariel Sharon, Israel's Jewish apostle of vengeful violence had pledged help for the United States.

Earlier in the week, I read that Muslim bodies littered a street somewhere, slaughtered by Christians who outnumbered them; and in Northern Ireland Catholics and Protestants dipped again into the bottomless well of religious hatred.

On the Indian subcontinent, Hindus kill Muslims and vice versa, and Sikhs kill and are killed by them both as a side dish.

Earlier this year, we were treated to a story about some elderly Hindu men murdering young women who, they felt, were breaching their religion's moral code by dressing in a provocative manner.

Iran is still ruled by bigots, but slightly less savage now than a few years ago when dissent was a capital offence.

If you didn't believe in their version of the next world, they sent you off to it early to be convinced. And that's something that interests me: that so many religions speak piously of the ultimate judgment of God but insist on intercession on Earth for their own vindictive punishments.

Buddhists immolate themselves in protest against the coarse events of this world.

And the latest scourge is the Taleban, maniacal zealots who have arisen from the carnage that has been life in Afghanistan for the past few decades.

These people are the right hand of their very own savage, blood-lusting deity. Tens of thousands of people who don't agree with them have fled for their lives and clogged the refugee conduits of the world.

If all these people are right about God and they are all monotheists - then one can assume that, if we could identify and catch him, he would have to be tried for crimes against humanity.

As a writer I try to imagine myself in the minds and hearts of other people in an effort to understand their impulses and motives; so I think of the aftermath meeting among the conspirators that put together with detailed planning and some finesse these insane and barbaric acts in New York and Washington.

Do they sit around and say they have struck a blow for humanity? Or for their race? Or for their political party? Or just for king and country?

No, they could only justify this to themselves and others by invoking the will of God. Men can only be persuaded to die voluntarily and gloriously for their particular version of God and their imagined hereafter.

That's why George W. Bush and others are tactically astray when they talk in their understandable anguish and grief of hunting down and punishing those cowards who are responsible. Cowardice is a vice that exists only among normal people who fail to measure up to the standards of common, humane morality.

These mass murderers who kill themselves for the glory of their religion are beyond the concept of cowardice; and how can you punish them when they know they can outwit you by happily killing themselves for their celestial cause?

People's gods and their theology are reflections of themselves. Decent, kind, compassionate people see God that way. Brutal, pitiless, psychotic people may share a vengeful, ruthless God of the same name who justifies their inhumanity.

One of the things almost every religion traditionally has in common is exclusivity. We have contact with the deity and, therefore, we know we are right and you are wrong. You will be shut out from heaven, or Valhalla, or wherever, because ours is the one true God, not yours.

Religions traditionally focus on differences whereas all the humanists, all the agnostics and most of the atheists I know think inclusively and concentrate on the shared humanity we all possess.

So what a shame we couldn't get all people to put God on hold for a while, and rebuff visions of the next world in a bid to put this one right.

Then the psychopaths and the exclusivists would be seen to be what they are - murderers and bigots - and not be able to cite an invisible higher power as vindication for their violence and thus to hide behind the image of their God.

I think it was Arthur Koestler who said the main cause of the world's problems was not so much some innate impulse for violence in men but the need for people to be certain they are right about everything by forcing others to acknowledge that rightness.

Sadly, people won't go along with my idea because it seems the more insecure they are the more devout they need to be and thus the more spiritually naked and terrified they would feel without their protective dogma.

My Coven And I Are Lighting Black Candles On Monday (the New... Sep 14th. at 10:19:25 pm UTC

Meadowlark (Dayton, Ohio US) Age: 29 - Email

My coven and I are lighting black candles on Monday (the new moon) and chanting to end terrorism everywhere.

I Was Watching The News With My Mom And Brother When I... Sep 14th. at 10:18:41 pm UTC

Peter (Allentown, Pennsylvania US) Age: 13 - Email

I was watching the news with my mom and brother when I heard what a guy said(sorry i forgot his name), "...this all happened because of the pagans, gays, lesbians, and abortionists different view of life." Now after hearing that i was about to break down in tears. I couldn't believe a guy just blamed all of this on people. This would never happen if there were never anybody like him in the world. because we would all be kind and accepting to all. sorry for my spelling im typing fast and i am praying to the lord and lady every night. Blessed Be to all and Merry Meet, Merry Part, and Merry Meet Again.

Witches And Pagans Oppose War -- A Call For Peace From Coven Oldenwilde... Sep 14th. at 10:17:06 pm UTC

Lady Passion, High Priestess, Coven Oldenwilde (Asheville, North Carolina US) Age: 38 - Email

Witches and Pagans Oppose War -- A Call for Peace from Coven Oldenwilde

Sadly, the U.S. government routinely initiates intermittent wars and military "actions" against peoples in all parts of the planet. Within recent
times, we've all been made aware how the power elite oppress foreign societies by imposing their choice of leaders on the populace -- only to
vilify and attempt to assassinate their political pawns whenever they cease or refuse to push the capitalist agenda (e.g., Castro, Khomeini,
Marcos, Noriega, Khadafi, Saddam Hussein, and most recently, Osama bin Laden). Though "public enemies'" names change from year to year,
the American way of provoking war is abysmally clear, meticulously documented, and readily understandable by all concerned citizens. (See the
"History and Politics" section of our Recommended Reading List on our website at: or

As a legal option always available to men and women who are subject to the draft, conscientious objection naturally receives more urgent
prominence whenever the government creates or overreacts to "threats" of opposition to its policies, and starts to conscript civilians to serve as
cannon fodder. But the rational, compassionate arguments that support conscientious objection are useful on a daily basis as well -- to counter
war-fevered friends and family who argue loudly in favor of physically fighting "foes".

Witches, of course, are spiritually opposed to war and military conflict of all forms. Not only do we believe in walking a peaceful Path, we
actively insist on our rights to do so.

Witches are keepers of their people's conscience. During such incessantly recurring times of "national peril", Witches remain resolute and
centered in our abhorrence of war, standing fast through the madness like the mountain range that dissipates the hurricane's force. We may spell,
march, and rally for peace during wartime, or write commentaries and letters to the editor of our local papers advocating for diplomatic,
non-violent approaches. Whatever we do, Witches seek to remind their neighbors and loved ones of the folly of blind patriotism in the absence
of real facts, and the dangers of the inevitable propaganda that misleads many about the true state of affairs.

Witches do not live for the heat of the moment. We have unique, magical abilities, and therefore the obligation to our communities that seers and
priest/esses have always borne of taking the long view when it comes to politics and trends. In times of "national crisis", Pagans must calm the
distressed, and assist folks to banish their conditioned prejudices against the villain du jour (who is, all too often these days, a dark-skinned,
non-christian foreigner).

Witches will always resist war fever -- wherever, whenever, and however it manifests.

May the Gods Preserve the Craft!

Let Me Just Start Of By Stating What I Have Seen And... Sep 14th. at 9:59:04 pm UTC

Jose Lopez (Richardson) Age: 16 - Email

Let me just start of by stating what I have seen and then goig into what my beliefs are. On the day of the attack I was in tutorings of my engilsh class, the annoucements suddenly came on I saw what was goig on, and I was in shock about for 5 min, to which I didn't speak a word. Aftewards I headed to my other classroom and minutes later the other twin came down ( but knowing of afteshock, and massive heat that was something unoforetunately I was thinking it would happen). I think my school L.V. Berkner Richardson TX did a real bad job a showing the news. See what they did was showed it up to the collapsion of the second building collapsing, and then cut it off. But anyways I couldn
t really think for the rest of the day i was reall just thinking about what happened. I went home and watched the news for about an hr. so I could see a big picture. But what really bothered me the most was seeing palestinians burning the american flag and celebrating after what happened. OOOOhhh yeah the thing that I was mainly thinking about what my brother who attends princeton which is close to NY. But he called and said he was fine. Now to what I think which many of ya might dissagre with but that's just what I really think. I belive that the government is doing to little to find any suspects on this attack obiousely it's not questioning any person from overseas, nor is it really in my opionion doing there job ( and yes I'm going to be a investigator so I can do a better job). Next I think the people are sure are praying alot and not really making a difference ( and yes I'm making a difference). And finally I think this country should come toghether not as a whole to show there nationalism but to send and inforce the palestine land, and investigate it from overseas and not just the us bc obiousely it came from there.

I Don't Know What To Say. We Have All Gone Or Are... Sep 14th. at 9:56:48 pm UTC

NyghtMoon (walton, Kentucky US) Age: 31

I don't know what to say. We have all gone or are going through cycles of greif. Shock, disbelief, anger, rage.... all valid emotions. Everyone's opinions making valid points.

Being solitary i work alone mostly. But on occasion i do work with two friends. We each identify with a different aspect of the goddess, maiden, mother, crone. The mother aspect falls to me at this point in my journey. I feel a mother's pain of losing a child i will never see again. I feel the pain of a mother whose husband will never walk into the door again. I fell the mother's pain as the shelter she thought she knew so well is brought down around her. A greiving mother is what i am right now. I want to comfort where i can, but how does a solitary comfort a country? when it happened i lit five candles in my home. 3 white, one each for the victims, their families, and the rescue workers who put their lives in danger. one red, for the anger of the nation, one blue for the peace that must begin in our souls so that we may think with level heads to take revenge that is ours. The revenge of a mother that has lost a child in violence. rage that a mother feels, the helplessness, the hope that all will eventually be right again..... someday.

my middle daughter had a writing assignment the day before where she had to begin, "i hold in my hand"'s what i hold in my hand, as a mother.

I hold in my hand the ability to send healing love and light to those who are in need, i hold in my hand the caring quiet of a strong resolve to see through to the end what must be done. i hold in my hand the ability to stand with my country, as a citizen to support it where i can. I hold in my hand, tomorrow's hope, because as a mother, i am resonsible for setting examples for my children to live, think and be by. i hold in my hand magic of the ages to petition the gods for aid in this time of tragidy. i hold in my hand tomorrow, because i have hope.

we all hold these things in our hands, and in our hearts we hold the knowledge of right and wrong, good and bad. and together we can make the right and good and true things happen if we stand united together, and hold each other's hands.

blessings, light, and love to all who have lost and morn a fallen person. for out of this ending we will begin again. life will start and together we can comfort one another and lend each other strength, this i give to you as a mother. i may not be YOUR mother, but i am a mother. and it is all i have.

I Am A Tarot Reader On The Free Tarot Network,, And... Sep 14th. at 9:08:50 pm UTC

Stevi (Novi, Michigan US) Age: 31 - Email

I am a tarot reader on the Free Tarot Network,, and one of the other readers shared a powerful ritual that I wanted to pass along:

"Here in the US, today (Friday September 14th) has been declared a
national day of rememberance and mourning. Here is the simple ritual
I performed, in the hopes it may bring a measure of comfort to others
as well. From my favorite tarot deck (I used Robin Wood) I first
pulled the Tower, to represent the World Trade Center. Next to it I
placed the Ace of Pentacles, for the Pentagon. I bridged these two
cards with Strength, and crossed them all with the Star. Along with
these I lit a candle, visualizing it lighting the way home for all
the lost souls."

I used the Universal Waite deck for this ritual to send strength and energy to all of those directly affected by this tragedy, and asked the God and Goddess to be with them also.

Blessed Be,


I Have Been Horrified By The Attacks In The Us. I Feel... Sep 14th. at 9:05:50 pm UTC

Mendy Gossett (Monroe, Louisiana US) Age: 27

I have been horrified by the attacks in the US. I feel isolated since I am a solitary, and cannot openly express my feelings through my faith. These acts should give us pause, and is a glaring example of how intolerance and hate can affect everyone. My soul aches for those who have died and all those who lost someone they loved. I still cant explain this to my children. How do I do that?
My faith in humanity is shaken, but I know that love will conquer all. I pray that the God and Goddess bless us and help us to heal our wounds.

I Have Been Filled With Saddness, Then Anger Then Helplessness. Being As... Sep 14th. at 9:01:42 pm UTC

Starpalm (Bay Area, California US) Age: 38 - Email

I have been filled with saddness, then anger then helplessness. Being as I am I must shield constantly fore the energies out there are too much filled with pain, fear and grief. I have become a conduit and it is my charge to change this energy into something useful.

Each moment that passes is filled with a name, Osama bin Laden.

Osama bin Laden, you claim these acts of terror to be a Holy War.... It is not my war, but I WILL rise to meet you on your turf. Osama bin Laden, Osama bin Laden, Osama bin Laden may you FEEL the pain your destruction has caused, may you never think murderous thoughts, may you never scheme terroist actions, may you feel the grief of a Mother whose child's life you murdered, may you feel the loss of one whose Father will not come home, may you reel in the reality of what you term a Holy War.

Osama bin Laden, may your heart become HUMAN and may you see that the ones you murder are as you, just brothers, sisters, husbands, wives, mothers, fathers, daughters and sons. May you KNOW to KNOW the GREAT EVIL you have done. Osama bin Laden may you FEEL.

It is my Mantra, Osama bin Laden, that falls from my lips like a whisper, a ROAR. Your name begets so much emotion. With each breath I use to utter it, I FEEL, SEE & KNOW that what you sew you shall reep. The three fold law.

May you FEEL, Osama bin Laden, may you KNOW, Osama bin Laden, the HATE you fight is not ours it is your OWN. Osama bin Laden. I give you back your soul. Osama bin Laden, I give you back your compassion, your humanity, your Islamic Law. Osama bin Ladin I give you LOVE.

Osama bin Ladin, I promise you this, that I shall use all pray and continue my rites until you are STOPPED.

So Mote it BE
Starpalm, 9/14/01

Blessed Be The Souls Of Those Who Have Lost Their Lives.mercy... Sep 14th. at 8:53:02 pm UTC

Crystal Dawn (Bryan, Ohio US) Age: 16 - Email

Blessed be the souls of those who have lost their lives.
Mercy reign over those who have caused this tragedy, for they are ill in soul and mind.
Love and peace control the mouths, hands, and hearts of all those who witness the tragedy, whether first-hand, or through a television or computer screen.
We must not let hatred control us .. hatred is the killer of sentiment and compassion. Hatred is the mind-killer, the soul-damner, the heart-rotting emotion that kills indiscriminantly.

Hatred has already won over so many people here (Ohio, USA) .. they've defaced the local mosque .. harrassed anyone they think looks muslim or islamic (including those from India .. even mexicans aren't safe, just because they "have the same skin" ..) .. We need to band together .. send prayers of love into the world, do healing spells for the world, burn candles nightly, anything we can to stop all this anger, hatred, and pain ... We need to END this vicious cycle ... So Mote It Be!

It Is A Tragedy On A Grand Scale. As A British Citizen... Sep 14th. at 8:29:39 pm UTC

Jay Friedlander (Andover, England UK) Age: 24 - Email

It is a tragedy on a grand scale. As a british citizen I feel that we should support the USA. As a mother I am scared for the welfare of my small children, why did I become a mother when my children could be affected by world war 3?. My first thought when I heard was to all those innocent victims, especially the small children who had no understanding of what was going on.I tried to explain to my 2an three quater year-old why we had to be quiet fof 3 minutes today , my 18 week old baby was very good.My heart goes out to all the victims families, especially those who have lost the brave people in the fire brigade on police and ambulance crews. I have faith, but I do not understand why terroists can kill in the name of their god.
Jay friedlander

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