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Question of the Week: 1 - 8/7/2000

Who are you going to vote for and why?

Which political platform or candidate are you leaning towards? Do you think that a level of political involvement is important to pagans? Are you registered to vote, will you vote and who -if you don't mind telling the world- are you planning to vote for (or against)?

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I Think Everyone Here Is Pretty Much In Agreement That A Vote... Aug 14th. at 11:49:14 pm UTC

Dan Murphy (Amityville , New York US) Age: 42 - Email


I think everyone here is pretty much in agreement that a vote for George Jr. would swing the political pendulum far enough to the right that the likes of people like David Duke will start crawling out from under the rocks.

In my opinion, the Green Party is still taking baby steps and not quite ready for the national spotlight in the Oval office. They have some good planks in their platform which the Democrats could embrace. The Greens also have some planks that need re-working, namely the maximum wage plank. One only needs to look at Eastern Bloc nations to see that if you take the incentive out of working hard and profiting from it, things will stagnate in a hurry.

The Lieberman choice by Gore is strategically sound. To win this election, the two major parties must position themselves in the middle and take those votes. Both Gore and Lieberman are pro-environment, which is becoming a major issue, even in the mainstream. Any self respecting Pagan/Wiccan would be quick to check the voting record of any candidate on this issue. Some have mentioned in this forum that they felt that Lieberman is for censorship. He has wanted to clean up the product(?) coming out of Hollywood, but he has voted consistantly pro-arts.

So, who to vote for... I think the best strategy is to vote the Gore/Lieberman ticket and vote Green on the local elections, if there are any candidates. That way you build a bottom up party and once it gains it's political legs, it will be in familiar territory. There's no substitute for experience.

Blessed Be to All,


I Am Definately Voting For Gore. He Is The Best Chance That... Aug 14th. at 10:49:32 pm UTC

Tom (Augusta, Maine US) Age: 22


I am definately voting for Gore. He is the best chance that we have to keep church and state seperate. This is a very important issue considering Bush does not consider Wicca as a religion. Gore may not be a dream candidate but he is the best out there and a vote not for Gore is really just a vote for Bush. Keep this in mind.


Harry Browne Or Ralph Nader.... It May Be A Toss-up, Though. Browne... Aug 14th. at 9:06:44 pm UTC

SteeleWhite WolfeMoone (Indianapolis, Indiana US) Age: 32 - Email


Harry Browne or Ralph Nader....

It may be a toss-up, though. Browne seems a more low-government type (+), though less environmental than Nader (-). Also, ever since I was a kid, Nader has been a thorn in people's sides (+). He just has too much of a name recognition to get rid of him. I do want my 2nd Ammendment rights to use a gun (+ to both), and I'm sure not voting for an anti-Pagan, pro-Confederate-flag Bush.

Some people below have posted about Tipper Gore-baby and her stupid PMRC. That was the biggest flop censorship has ever had. The "Explicit Lyrics" labels have actually _boosted_ the sales of Manson and other raunchier groups. (Hey, I like Goth, and even MM's "Rock is Dead" off "The Matrix", but "Smells like Children" is trash, idiocy, and the like. I haven't bought another MM album since.)

I've been in checkout line at Best Buy once behind a kid who lied out of his teeth when his grannie asked, "Is that X-rated?" I had seen the CD 5 minutes previous, and its "label" was cleverly concealed from all but the kids and the "Libs". I also have one album that carried the label outside the wrapper, but had no XXX-y lyrics on the inside. Wasn't that a con-job?

At the same time as the record labels, PMRC was pushing for labels on the Role Playing Games. GAMA fought them, and won. I'm sorry, we're still looked on as geeks, and the Hobby has not grown overall. There is stuff in the Vampire books, esp. "Montreal by Night", that makes me wanna throw up. I'm sure a warning label would have bumped its sales up a few notches, too.

To summarize the Gore-y details: Why vote for a Prez whose wife's anti-free-press laws backfire? I'm sure not.

And voting for the least evil? That's like voting for Stalin because he might be nicer than Hitler. Or even voting for McCarthy because he was anti-Stalin...


My Vote Is A Protest Vote: I'm Voting For Ficus. Am I... Aug 14th. at 8:50:03 pm UTC

Owen (Pacifica, California US) Age: 0


My vote is a protest vote: I'm voting for Ficus.

Am I taking votes away from the other candidates? Maybe. But at least *I* know that I didn't vote for any of the candidates pushed upon us by their respective parties and the mainstream - and alternative - media.

For more information on the Ficus 2000 campaign, go to:
http://www.ficus2000.com/


I'm Not Voting For Anyone. It's A Shame, But I Will Vote... Aug 14th. at 5:05:16 pm UTC

Kalathena (Ann Arbor, Michigan US) Age: 33


I'm not voting FOR anyone. It's a shame, but I will vote for the candidate most likely to beat George W. Bush. That happens to be Al Gore. We took so many backwards steps on both environmental and human rights issues the last time the Republicans were in the White House and I don't want to see it happen again. No, I don't think the Democrats have much to offer in terms of progress and moving forward, but at least we won't delve too far back into the dark ages if Gore wins.

My great uncle said to me the last time we had a election for governor in our state "I've seen Republicans and Democrats come and go. All I know for sure is that every time there are more Republicans in office that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer." And this is from a VERY conservative southerner who loves to brag about how he served "God and country" during WWII.


I Say It Again- Vote For Anyone But Bush. This Man Believes... Aug 14th. at 3:56:37 pm UTC

Raven Taylor (Springfield, Massachusetts US) Age: 22 - Email


I say it again- vote for anyone but Bush. THIS MAN BELIEVES WE ARE NOT VALID. Do I want THIS as a leader? If you are Pagan and vote bush, you are like a Jew voting for hitler. Wiccans who vote bush stab their own faith in the back!


I Am Torn Between Green And Democrat. For No Other Reason Than... Aug 14th. at 2:27:37 pm UTC

Kaicielia BlueDragon (Madison, Wisconsin US) Age: 24 - Email


I am torn between Green and Democrat. For no other reason than the whole "Who is more likely to win?" arguement. I would prefer voting for Ralph Nader, but abhor the possibility that Bush might win. Besides the bad press that Bush gets, I have seen him on many shows defending himself, and still do not like him. So, Nader or Gore?
I have just moved, and am not yet registered to vote in my area, but will be doing that very soon. I think it is important for everyone to vote, in every election, but I have to admit that thus far I have only voted in presidential election years. This is something I look foreward to changing now that I am finally settled in one area.


I Have Been Voting In Every Election Since 1984 When I Turned... Aug 14th. at 2:16:49 pm UTC

Patrick McKinnion (Lakeside, California US) Age: 35 - Email


I have been voting in every election since 1984 when I turned 18. And there are times trying to decide which person should get my vote is like trying to decide which cup of buzzard vomit to drink from.

I used to be a Libertarian until an offical at a local party gathering bitched about "all those damm Witches in the party". I rather hope that's not the case anymore. That being said, there's a lot about that party I still agree with. And while there's some things about the Greens I support, I have a severe dislike for Ralph Nader, and see no reason to vote for him. The Reform party would have gotten my vote, except Perot ended up flakier than french pastry, and Bucannan is beyond right-wing.

I would register as a Republican, because there are a lot of issues I agree with them on. However, as they have sold their soul to the Religious Right, I cannot in good faith register as a member of that party. I identify myself as a conservative Democrat on many issues. (Though I would have been very, very happy to vote for McCain - and hope he runs in 2004)

For all those Pagans planning to vote for George W. Bush, may I remind you of what he said last year:

"I don't think witchcraft is a religion and I wish the military would take another look at this and decide against it". (George W. Bush, on Good Morning America, 6/24/99).

How can you vote for a man who has stated publically that he doesn't see your faith, religion, and beliefs as being valid ?? And if he wins, how badly does our fight for our rights to practice our faith freely and openly get pushed back if the president of the U.S. doesn't believe our faith is a religion worthy of the same protections that guard every other faith in the U.S. Besides, I have yet to hear anything good about him from any of the people I know in Texas.

I'm going to hold my nose and vote for Gore, (though I have to admit I like his running mate). I would have rather voted for McCain, but I dislike Nader, the Libertarian party has alienated me, the Reform party has become a joke, and I will *not* vote for a man who doesn't believe my faith is a real religion. This leaves Gore as the lesser of the evils this year. And so I shall vote for him, and hope and pray for a better choice next time around.


With Bush Being So Right Wing, Wishing To Mix Church And State... Aug 14th. at 2:06:03 pm UTC

Donald Beckman (Azle, Texas US) Age: 22 - Email


With Bush being so right wing, wishing to mix church and state, and using the high court to press his views, I have to vote Gore. As a Texan, I have to say that his leadership of the state is bad. All the problems like child care, comos, pollution, ect got worse. I would vote Lib, but, with my NOT wanting bush to be prez in an extreme way, I am voting for Gore in hopes that my electoral zone will be mostly democratic and sway a Electoral vote AWAY from bush.

Since I live in a rural-ish area, Our electoral vote will probly be Democratic. I plead for all of you to vote against Bush, or our freedom of religion may be at risk. Rember, your vote goes into a pool for your electoral zone and the Electoral Representive gets to make the vote that represents your district. If the Electoral votes are too close, CONGRESS gets to vote who will be the prez, and who do you think the Republican dominated Congress will vote for? Make your vote count!


I Am Still Not Sure Who I Am Going To Vote For... Aug 14th. at 2:04:26 pm UTC

Brenda Smotherman (Yutan, Nebraska US) Age: 27 - Email


I am still not sure who I am going to vote FOR this election. I can only say with certainty who and what I am voting against. On the issue of the presidency, I am against Bush. I mean, a Wiccan voting for Bush is like an African-American person supporting their local Klan. He has stated publicly that to him, Wicca is not a "real religion". This election, to me, the most important decision is at the state level. I am from Nebraska, and this year there is a proposed amendment to the state's constitution. They are calling the Defense of Marriage Amendment, this would deny ANY legal protection to same sex couples whatsoever. This includes hospital visitation, reciprocating wills, joint ownership of property, all of those things could be affected by this constitutional amendment. If this gets passed, Nebraska would be the only state in the union whose constitution would include a denial of rights to a specific group, so I am definitely voting against that as well. The thing that concerns me here is, if the Christian Right gets this one in the door, what will they go after next? So PAY ATTENTION NEBRASKA PAGANS/WICCANS!!!


I'm Pretty Sure I Am Voting Green Party This Election. This Will... Aug 14th. at 3:49:33 am UTC

Christine (Santa Cruz, California US) Age: 27


I'm pretty sure I am voting Green party this election. This will be the first time I have voted for an independent, but Bush is scay and Gore is weird and I don't think at this time either of these parties have anything to offer our Country or our Earth. I believe it is very important as pagans, citizens, and, for me, as a woman, to vote. When I think of our sister suffregettes who fought so hard to win our right to vote, I feel it would be greatly disrespectful to thier memory to not utilize the rights they won for us. I am registered and will and always have voted because I believe it is my responsiblity.


I Just Turned 18 In April Of This Year, And Registered To... Aug 14th. at 1:17:04 am UTC

Todd (Elk Point, South Dakota US) Age: 18


I just turned 18 in April of this year, and registered to vote not long after that... Eager to flex my new democratic muscles, I began following the races for party nominations.. Unfortunately I found a problem: none of these guys seemed special...there was no one I wanted to cast my vote for.. No real party platform to get behind or charismatic candidate to rally for.. Bush wants to open the door for people to stop me from practicing my religion, Gore seems like someone's forcing him to run..the dude doesn't seem to have any spark... both platforms are messed up (some good ideas on each side, but too much bickering). I haven't checked out the libertarian party yet... The green party has a lot going for it, but I can't decide how I feel on it's "legalize it" stance..I'm not sure if ending the war on drugs will solve problems or create more of them.. Will law-fearing people start neglecting their children to feed a now-legalized marijuana craving? At this point I'm REALLY close to deciding to just not vote..The way I figgure it, all politicians are liars, and being president is like being the head liar...so what's the point... But then again, not making a choice is worse than choosing wrong..so I don't know..


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