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Have You Switched Pagan Paths?

Did you perhaps start out as a Wiccan and now follow a different Pagan or Heathen path/religion? Have you changed from self-identifying as a 'Witch' to something else? If you have changed how you self-identify under the Pagan/Heathen umbrella, why did you change? Did your beliefs change? Did the Pagan/Heathen community change? What do you think of folks who have switched? Is there currently a real shift into more diverse or selective Paths/Religions within the communities? Will Wicca remain the dominant Pagan religion that it now is? Why or why not?

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Your Path Is Always The Same, Call It What You Will. Oct 3rd. at 1:02:17 pm UTC

Ted Peter Smith (Stillwater, OK) Age: 48 - Email - Web


Marissa (Renton, WA) makes a good point, am I on a Wicca Path or have encountered Wicca on my Path? Do I foresee changing my core beliefs? No. Do I foresee changing my Path in the future? No. Do I foresee wander onto interesting Branches? Yes indeed. We do not choose our paths; our feet are already there when we are born. It's there; it was always there and always will be there. That is the wonder of it all, we experience life, we learn and then we move on. What’s in a name?

Peter


What It's All About.... Oct 3rd. at 6:37:52 am UTC

Marissa (Renton, WA) Age: 23 - Email


I think the whole reason people choose to go on a "path" is because they're searching, and the nature of the search leads them to an inevitably new place. The answer across the board has been that someone started somewhere, usually Christianity, and fell first to Wicca. This happens because Wicca is the most readiy available form of nature-based religion.

But it doesn't/didn't fit. But people-- people like labels, and rather than shed one, they choose to call themselve "eclectic wiccan." And they think it's creative. But what else is there, if you need a label?

And this is my point. I think that in order for the pagan *community* to grow and thrive, we need to shed our resistance to standing on our own, without the safety of a label or a rulebook to follow.

We love nature, we love our Mother. We attune to her in any way we can. The rest in pomp and circumstance.


Excellent Question Oct 3rd. at 4:26:26 am UTC

Polgara (New York) Age: 21 - Email - Web


Very thought-provoking one too. I was raised Christian, Southern Baptist to be specific, and my spiritual journey has been a long and winding one for me to be so young. When I was around 11, my family started going to one of those Evangelical megachurches (you know, with the TV ministry and the radio ministry and the Woman hating ministry, etc). I became "born again" mostly to please my mom, seeing as nothing I did seemed to. It didn't last very long. From that I drifted to agnosticism, to Tibetan Buddhism, to Zen Buddhism, to Wicca, to...Wicca?, to Wicca. Hehe. :) Honestly, I discovered Wicca about 6 years ago, and it definitely jived with where I was spiritually at the time. I don't really place any value in labels, I feel that spirituality is just too complex for a name, but if pressed I would identify as Wiccan. A Hellenic Wiccan, to be specific (not eclectic--there's a shock for you). However, I've always been involved in some degree with the Martial Arts (specifically Jujitsu, and Qi Gong, as well as a smattering of various other styles) and it was really exploring the spiritual side of them that led me to explore alternative spiritualities. I incorporate a lot of that into my spiritual work. Okay, I guess you could fit me into the "Hellenic Wiccan Guerrilla Witch with Eastern influences" box. Admittedly, it's not a very large box, but I kinda like it that way.

The reason I put a question mark in my little personal odyssey sort of segues into the next part of the question. I am a Solitary by choice. I have almost nothing to do with the larger Pagan community anymore, aside from attending the (rare) public circle, and visiting my old mentor/teacher/personal arse-kicker at the shop he works at. Also by choice. Why? I no longer feel I belong there anymore. It's not my world anymore. I've seen a lot of changes in the community since I've been a part of it. Some have been good (we're not just for Samhain anymore, it looks like), many have been terrible. Back to the question mark. These days, I've been questioning whether I can really call myself a Wiccan anymore. My view of Wicca, my definition, the way I connect with it, is so alien to the majority of Wiccans I see around me that it's almost sad. In my opinion, Wicca has been white-lighted, New Aged, fluffybunnyed, made hip, Buffyied, to the point where I find it weary and downright irritating to constantly have to defend it as a serious religious path to "muggles" when a lot of its so-called practitioners don't even see it that way. I'm not saying there is The committment to serious scholarship, devotion, hard work, just plain sweat that I saw when I first started is no longer there in force. The "Wicca" that I'm seeing most often these days is all style, no substance, and it depresses the hell out of me. It's strange, but in a way I almost miss the days when the argument-du-jour I had with other Wiccans was defending my right to call myself a Wiccan and work with the Greek pantheon (believe it or not, I had this one almost daily). It's almost heartening when compared with the arguments I have most often now, where people call me a Fundamentalist because I chose to dedicate myself to a pantheon rather than pick and choose some Gods that sounded cool in my copy of Understanding Wicca in 5 Minutes For Beginners (available at your local Barnes and Noble!) by Earthwind Crystalheart. (A sidenote: I have absolutely no problem with those who choose to become Eclectics, I have problems with people not doing their homework, regardless of how they define themselves.) This isn't to say Ye Olde Crafte o the Wise is hallowed and sacred and should always ALWAYS be taken seriously (and this is my biggest peeve with the New Agey Wiccans, actually). We gotta know when to laugh at ourselves, put things in perspective, and be practical. "Mirth and reverence", grasshoppas. But there's gotta be a balance. The joke isn't really funny unless you get the truth behind it. I think that's lost on a lot of folks.

I guess I also don't feel like I belong anymore because, well, I'm a weirdo. Part of the consequences of the "mainstreaming" of Wicca has been shoving our most colorful folks into the closet, sacrificing them on the altar of Lady Expediency, the most hallowed Goddess of Public Relations. I'm a Goth, something that predates my conscious interest in Wicca. Six years ago, in the open group I studied with, I fit right in. There were plenty of weirdoes. I mean weirdoes in the most positive sense--people who were independent, didn't follow a crowd, thought for themselves and questioned things. Not only marched to the beat of their own drummer, but said "screw it" and picked up the damn drum themselves. And yes, a lot of these people dressed "normally", but they were cool with people's choices. We were there to learn. The last open circle I went to of this group, it was a bunch of Edina Monsoon Pagans (Ab Fab fans will get the joke) worshipping the teacher like some kind of Guru on a commune. They all looked like Young Republicans, and they all looked at me cross-eyed cause I wore black velvet. For goodness sake, people had to be told to turn their cell phones off before the circle was cast. I somehow didn't see this bunch using their $200 athames to roast sausages over the fire pit like we used to do, LOL. I must of missed that memo that said those of us who look like Siouxie Sioux aren't allowed to practice the Craft anymore, cause it makes everyone look bad. :-P WTF did this religion turn into when I wasn't looking? Craft of the PC Yuppie?

Sweet Mama, I didn't mean for this to turn into a rant about everything I can't stand about the community...I think ya'll touched a nerve here. I guess it explained why I'm Solitary. ;) Honestly, me and Wicca have had a love-hate relationship, but I don't see myself leaving it, at least for the time being (Who knows what the Moirae have in store?). One of the reasons I don't shed the Wiccan label is ironically because of a challenge that was issued to me by an Evangelical Christian who was witnessing to me for a while. When I told her I rejected Christianity because the church rejected me, she told me that only a shallow fool accepts or rejects a worldview solely based on who else holds it. Humans are fallible, we all make mistakes. It's not about accepting a church, it's about accepting a relationship. She challenged me to take a look at the philosophy one more time, and make a decision based on that. Well, I think you all know what I chose, but that thought has stuck with me and it taught me an important lesson. The reason I call myself a Wiccan, regardless of how much I might disagree with others who call themselves Wiccan, is because the underlying philosophy still resonates within me as much as it did when I first started to learn about it. It still makes sense to me. The trappings, the people, the perception of it, whatever might change, but that's not what attracted me to it in the first place. What attracted me was the freedom of it, the challenge of it--the answers are within ourselves, and all we need is the courage and determination to seek them out. It's about simultaneously refusing to accept the status quo, and "going with the flow". That will never change for me, whether I keep this label for another six years or move on to something else.


Change Is A Part Of Learning And Life Oct 3rd. at 2:55:05 am UTC

vanessa ronsse (Seattle) Age: 33 - Email


i began my path as a child (beginning at age 7 or so) - i was encouraged by my parents explore and find the path that worked for me. i have traveled from a great variety of Christian sects to New Age teachings to the Rosecrucians to my personal Pagan path. i now call myself an Eclectic Witch, but i am not certain any label really reflects my inner processes.

Has my path changed? Of course. i think that it would be impossible for it NOT to have changed. i am not the same woman i was 15 years ago. How could my spiritual path NOT reflect the changes in my life? Life is change and my spirit changes with my life - which is as it should be.

blessings...
inanna


I Fine Tuned My Ideas... Oct 2nd. at 11:54:03 pm UTC

Luineannon (Belleville, IL) Age: 26 - Email


I started out not sure what I was just knew what I believed... Then I learned about Wicca. I then started learning about Celtic Wicca, mostly... but it still didn't seem to cover it all. I felt as though I had my own version of what worked for me, that I would never be able to describe without sounding like I didn't know what I was talking about. One day I was in a book store and I picked up one of the Wicca Dictionaries and I looked up the types of Wicca. I found that I am easier labeled as Eclectic Wicca (is that spelled right?hehe) Well, since then I feel as though I finally have a place that I belong, but I have yet to come across someone else so titled.


Switching Paths? More Like Changing Lanes Oct 2nd. at 8:37:41 pm UTC

David Aquarius (Renton, WA) Age: 44 - Email


In eight short months, I will be celebrating 30 years since I made the conscious choice to follow the Pagan faith. A copy of Sybil Leek's "Diary of a Witch" (I'm not alone in this) started me on my journey to witchcraft and Paganism. How ever, I lived in a very remote, very small town in a very conservative part of WA state. I could not find the materials needed to advance my knowledge, and witchcraft was not shaping up to my young expectations. In my three decades of journeying, I have sampled a good many Pagan faiths; trying some, staying clear of others, and in the end, just walking the path that speaks closest to my Spirit
I was raised by a non-religious father and a devout Catholic mother, with seven siblings to add chaos to the mix. My dad was a logger and took every opportunity to bring us into the woods to learn the ways of the forest. Safety, respect and necessity were his motives but he also imparted a love and affection for these places deep within me. I was also raised with Native neighbors, a reservation was almost in my backyard. I knew their families, always playing with the children. Thus I was exposed to the culture of the First People.
As I sit here composing this answer, I have committed my life and soul to the Spirit of the Earth, Gaia for want of a better name. I am considered a shaman by my clan, a brother and friend to those who live and thrive in the wild. I am not Native and do not sing their songs or dance their dances, but I was taught to use their methods in search of my Celtic ancestors. They taught me how to drive but I have to get my own car.
I find that we don't really change paths, merely change lanes on the great spiritual highway. Even those who choose Paganism after years of being Christian are just following their true muse at long last. Our Spirit already knows what path we should walk, it just takes courage and a good sense of self-inquiry to get there. I think, in the end, we all go the same direction. We just choose to go there in very different ways. And that is the way the Goddess/Creator meant it to be all along.


What Can I Say? Oct 2nd. at 8:12:18 pm UTC

Alex (Massachusets) Age: 16 - Email


i am a pagan practiceing alone and learningt what i can but it is hard to find what i need for imformation at times. i satarted out my life a christian but over time i began feeling more and more attuned with things out side of the chrchs explenation. i was told thing that i was talking about thing the devil did i knew that wasn't true but i looked on one day i found a friend who showed me to the pagan path she taught me almost all i know with her help and encouragement i have expanded my afinity to nature and my abilitys to read minds see the future to a degree and also trasmit and recive energies after learning all this i knew that i was ment to fallow a pagan path and science then i have been doing that to the best of my abilitys. i now know things that allow me to live happier and mor in tune with my surroundings. please feel free to e-mail me comments i'm always looking to talk to another pagan.

A lone pagan
alex


Changed For The Better Oct 2nd. at 6:24:41 pm UTC

Aislynn (Puerto Rico) Age: 18 - Email - Web


Well, in my childhood, I always felt attuned to nature and magick, but naturally like every ignorant Christian child, I thought it was rebellion and Satan was involved. Into my teens, I began studying more about the truth and became a "witch", following Wicca. Now almost out of my teens, I am studying the ancients dieties and following Isis, Pele, and Thor with a blend of the ancient ways to worship with some of the modern ways.


Unknown Change Oct 2nd. at 3:48:09 pm UTC

Andrew Smith (Atkins, AR) Age: 19 - Email


Well...as most people here have posted, it seems that most have been brought up as a Christian one way or another. I, like so many others, was brought up the same way. I was a Chatholic until the age of 13 when I moved to live with my father who disliked the Chatholic belief and tried to make me Baptist. It is then that I met an atheist. This being a new concept to me confused yet intriqued my thoughts. Puzzled how one person could drop the belief in God was hard for me to conceive. It didn't happen over night. But rather a couple of years. I opened my mind to the possiblites of evolution and many other possiblities no matter how far fetch. Then it happened. I lost my faith in God. I do not hate nor dislike any religion but I do not believe in the Christian god. Then when I turned 18 I started reading into Wicca. Believing in nothing has been hard and somewhat scary with my grandfathers cancer and my other grandfather falling ill due to diabeties. I do not like the idea of them becomind nothing. In fact I fear it. But I cannot just pick up faith. I have been reading for sometime the Wiccan beliefs and I very much like the ideas and concepts it delievers, but the fact remains that I do not yet believe in an omniponent or highly evolved being that watches us even if it doesnt interfere with our daily activities. That still requires some sort of leap of faith. I will continue my research into the wiccan religion. I hope that I can achieve some sort of spiritual awakening that I have yet to incounter. I hope that this partakes somewhat to the question. More or less, I just wanted to be heard on my thoughts like many others. Thank you for your time.


Ch Ch Ch Changes Oct 2nd. at 3:46:55 pm UTC

Greenfae (florida) Age: 42 - Email


In my time I have found that being a witch is on of the most rewarding and interesting things to have in your life. On the way of finding this out I have changed many times. Not so much in the fundenmetal things. But learning and growing in my belifes have caused me to reevaluate alot of my pre learned thoughts and feelings. There has been things that I found were not true to what I really believed. Also there were things that I had to embrace knowing them to be true in my heart. When I started I wanted to have as many deities as possible. Now I see them all as one. The only real diffrance to me is the area which they deal with. When I think about that I have to remember in myself I have lots of chances every day to be many diffrent people. But no one limits me aside from myself. Who am I to limit a dieity. But then that is one of the things that has changed in me. I am sure lots of us have changed and will contuine to change.
Thanks for the read,
blessings and peace to all,
Greenfae


The Story So Far Oct 2nd. at 3:11:01 pm UTC

Amber Heathen (Cornelius Oregon) Age: 22 - Email


When I was about 13 years old I did the oh-so-typical "Christianity sucks! I don't want to be one anymore" thing. (I was raised Baptist.) So at that point I decided I was an atheist. I also decided that I was going to be so rabidly anti-Christian that it's embarrassing to even think about now. Around my freshman year of high school a friend of mine started reading about Wicca. I read a little bit and thought, "Well, at least it isn't Christianity." She introduced me to a couple of her other friends who were also into Wicca and we all started hanging out together. I'd started reading about Wicca too and was at the time actually considering it as a religious option. Then my friend started acting all screwed up, to get attention mostly. She'd come to school with poison oak rashes on her arms and legs and spout off very matter-of-factly that the "pixies" led her through poison oak. At that time I started thinking to myself "Hmmm, I think I'll go this way now...." And the two friends she'd introduced me to were druggies anyway, and I don't like associating with those kind of people anyway. So for a few years I didn't read about Wicca at all. My first impression of it wasn't a good one for the above reasons, came across as flakey.

During my senior year of high school I decided to give it another shot. I started reading about Wicca again. However it didn't take me too long (only about a year, year and a half give or take) to realize the more I read about it, the more I realized it totally was not my thing. Now at age 22,I just consider myself an eclectic dark pagan witchy something or other. I've tried so hard to find at least half decent books on Witchcraft that *aren't* Wiccan. All the books I've ever bought are just sitting on my bookshelf collecting dust fluff-bunnies. Apparently, I don't fit in anywhere. Fine by me. I'd prefer to be solitary, considering anytime I've happened to run into anyone else who is Pagan all they wanted to talk about is how awful those darn Christians are. I'm not bothered by Christians at all anymore, which is good since most of my friends and relatives are Christians. I'm still waiting for that beautiful day when someone will finally write a book about Witchcraft from the point of view of a non-Wiccan. Whenever a Wiccan writes a book about it they use the words "Witch" and "Wiccan" interchangeably, giving the uneducated reader on the subject the popular misconception that they are one and the same. And by gosh if someone doesn't write it soon I will and it won't be nice! LOL

Life is a learning process, and religion is a part of life so I will always be learning. If any yahoo ever walks up to me and says "I know everything there is to know about paganism and witchcraft" I'll know they're either lying or crazy. And I'll wonder if the pixies led them through poison oak too.


Back To My Roots. Oct 2nd. at 1:32:40 pm UTC

Beau (Monessen, PA) Age: 20 - Email


I was raised as a child pretty much as a non-practicing Catholic. My dad would take me to church every now and again, and I did enjoy going, if only for the ritual. I still think that there's nothing more beautiful than a well-preformed Catholic Mass, it's magical. But a lot of the dogma didnt really sit well with me, so I decided to get away from it. I started on my path away from Christianity around age 12. A friend of mine, who was the new kid at school, got me introduced into Ritual magick, though I didn't really realize that's what it was at the time. I just thought it was Catholicism's dark side, what with all the ritual and all. Plus I was a pretty nieve little kid. But anyway, he moved away a couple years later and I began studying Wicca. This made a whole lot more sense to me, with all the living in harmony with nature and the male/female aspects of diety, plus it had the ritual that I liked. For the longest time, all through high school and the last couple years I became sort of the "Token Witch". Everyone knew about it, and I never hesitated to answer questions about my faith. I'll admit, I was kinda fluffy for the first couple years, but I don't think I ever mis-represented the faith. But lately I've been studying my family heritage (My mother and her family moved here from Germany when she was a child), and reading up on Norse mythology and history, and their religious practices. This resonates with me deeper than anything else I've followed. It's in my blood, the faith of my ancestors. So now I proudly call myself an Asatruar. It's been a long and winding road, but I finally feel like I am where I need to be.

Sorry for the long post, just though I'd finally chime in after lurking for such a long while here.


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