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911 America: Talking Through The Terror...

Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.

What are your thoughts on these incidents? How are you feeling? Feel free to post any magickal workings or other support gatherings planned in your area.

WebNote 9/16/2001: Since we launched this on 911 this forum as become laced with powerful inspiration and critical information, feel free to use the search functions on your left to better define the info you are looking for. Search for your area, famous Pagans, key words etc. Also check Wren's Nest News for the latest news related to our community.

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Yesterday I Wrote The Following, And Last Night I Read It As... Sep 14th. at 7:58:56 am UTC

Eeluna (Hurricane, West Virginia US) Age: 41 - Email


Yesterday I wrote the following, and last night I read it as part of a ritual of
healing and hope.

Tonight we come here in shock. Our hearts and minds filled with horror at this terrible tragedy. But our spirits are strong, and we gather now to send healing
energy to those whose pain is even greater than our own.

To the families and loved ones of those who are missing or have died, we send comfort.

To those who may still be trapped in the rubble, we send hope.

To the rescue workers and medical personnel who are working tirelessly in such devestating conditions, we send strength.

To our leaders who must deal with the aftermath of this great tragedy, we send wisdom.

To those who are so angry and hurt they can think of nothing but revenge, we send peace.

To those who are so ignorant that they celebrate this evil, we send tolerance and compassion.

To all Americans, nay to all Humanity, who were shocked and horrified by these senseless and inhumane acts of hatred and violence, we send comfort, hope, strength, wisdom, peace, tolerance, compassion and most of all LOVE!

So that the rescue work may continue as well as possible, we ask that the rains be soft and the winds mild. We ask that the Sun shine with gentle warmth and bright light to guide the hands of those who search.

So that further tragedies may be avoided, we ask that the rescue workers find any who are still alive as quickly as possible and that no others are hurt or injured in the process.

So that justice is served, we ask that the criminals who perpetuated these vile acts swiftly meet the fate they have so well wrought.

So that some good can come from this great tragedy, we ask that the People of Earth realize that whatever our nationality or religious beliefs, we are all truly ONE PEOPLE. Let us come together and work for a future in which all children can feel safe and loved.


I Just Read The Exerpt From Jerry Fallwell And Pat Robertson's Broadcast... Sep 14th. at 7:46:35 am UTC

Mary Miller (Wixom, Michigan US) Age: 37 - Email


I just read the exerpt from Jerry Fallwell and Pat Robertson's broadcast yesterday. I had heard it mentioned on the news this morning as posed a question to the minister speaking on his thoughts of these two. He said in response that they needed to chose thier enemies wisely. This scares me for 2 reasons, one those are the words of Hitler in his autobiography Mien Kompf, and 2 he blamed the Pagans for this attrocity. I take great offense that they could actually say that America "probably deserved this". As if those 4000 plus people died in vain because we pissed off thier God??!!It is apalling that these "ministers" could use this as thier own podium to perpetuate their own hate and self serving interests. This Heathen family is bunking down for the long haul. I don't think that the Muslim community will be the only ones attacked, innocent or not, and I think if this continues, we could have an internal war to match the one that Bush is calling for. Shame on these two for perpetuating even more violence, and trying to destroy the freedoms that this country was so proud of preserving. They are truly two of the biggest idiots on the airwaves. Everyone has an opinion, and I do feel a quote from Voltaire was right when he said, " I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to my death your right to say it." If these two have thier way, they will begin another war on our own soil to perpetuate the Christian Right Wing. That I will not defend, nor condone. I say send these two over to Pakistan and let them view thier points there. Obviously, they didn't seem to think that they should be blamed, but decided to blame our own society and condemn the rights we all fought so hard for. My prayers and candles are lit for all the victims and all of the pagan community as well. Lets hope that this does not backlash and cause even more bloodshed because these two want to act like idiots.


I Feel So Sorry For All The Children Whose Parents Died In... Sep 14th. at 7:38:50 am UTC

sorrel griggs (basingstoke, England UK) Age: 16


i feel so sorry for all the children whose parents died in the tradegy that happened on tuesday, i was so shocked by the news when i heard it, i thought of everyone in the world who has been affected during the three minute silence today, and i hope that it doesn't come to a state of war.


For Weeks I Felt That Something Was Amiss, What Is Was I... Sep 14th. at 7:16:51 am UTC

Aislin Deva (Carson City, Nevada US) Age: 23 - Email


For weeks I felt that something was amiss, what is was I didnŐt know but I knew it would be catastrophic. Others told me of similar anxious feelings and still we could not figure out what it was.
Then it hit.
And since then the world weeps.
Over the last couple of days, I like so many others, have been awash of emotions. I do not have any loved ones that have perished in this tragedy, but my heart weeps for all out there that have lost someone. There have been so many times the last couple of days that I have heard news that has made my heart swell. May the God and Goddess bless everyone that has donated these last couple of days, whether it be risking their lives to find survivors in the wreckage or as simple as rushing down to donate blood. It gives me a renewed sense of pride to be living in a county where there are people who are willing to pulling together in events such as these. There is so much evil in the world and it is refreshing to see that we can indeed counteract that evil with our willingness to give.
But I have also heard terrible things that made my skin crawl. When I read what Jerry Falwell and Pat Robinson said, it brought me to tears. How can someone be so hateful? How can these men sit there and point fingers at fellow Americans when the rest of the country is bound together in devotion to our fallen brothers and sisters? IŐve also heard rather vulgar racial slurs and seen segments on the news about hate crimes, and this too makes me weep. If a group of Americans go to a foreign country and commit a heinous crime, does that mean all Americans are to be blamed? And yet this is what we are doing. There are people that are American citizens that are being punished because of their religion or race. Are we going to sit back and allow this? The Pagan Community above all should understand this plight and I say that we pray for these victims as well.

Keep the feelings of love and giving!

May the God and Goddess Bless All


In Response To This National Crisis, The Westwicke Center In Los Angeles... Sep 14th. at 6:54:55 am UTC

Rev. Nicolas Strathloch, H.P. (Beverly Hills, California US) Age: 50 - Email


In response to this National Crisis, The Westwicke Center in Los Angeles has set up an Emergency Information & Services Center Website.

The Address is: http://www.angelfire.com/home/WestwickeGrove/ECP.html

Please feel free to forward this link to anyone interested.

I know this is only a small way to help the community, but at least it is a start.

Blessed Be to All....

May The Lady and Lord Watch Over Us All.

Sincerely,
~Rev. Nicolas Strathloch, H.P.
Director, The Westwicke Center.


Spirit Of The Aircarry The Souls Of The Deceased To The... Sep 14th. at 6:54:35 am UTC

Mouse (Hamburg) Age: 33 - Email


Spirit of the Air
Carry the souls of the deceased to the Gods
And blow away the clouds of pain and anger from our minds

Spirit of Fire
Light the way for the souls of the deceased
And melt the ice that threatens to entomb our hearts

Spirit of Water
Wash away their pains
And heal our wounds, too

Spirit of Earth
Support them on their way
And give us strength as we live on

Lord and Lady
Embrace your children
And show us how to act wisely

So mote it be


What This Group Of In-human And Inconsiderate Not So Nice People Have... Sep 14th. at 6:43:56 am UTC

Opal Moon (Clinton Township, Michigan US) Age: 22 - Email


What this group of in-human and inconsiderate not so nice people have done to our country and it's families is almost incomprehensiable. I urge every Pagen to recite their version of the Wiccan Rede as often as possible. While may Covens, as well as solitary practitioners have different versions of our code, two ideas remain the same. "An it harm none, do as thy will" as well as a reference of the three fold law. This group of people has definatly harmed others, in both the physical and mental sense. But they can take our land marks and they can take our lives, but they can never take our spirit. If anything, I believe this attack has brought all of us closer together as Americans as well as human beings. It is just sad that it has taken a tragic event like this to realize each other. I have faith that our government will do everything it can to bring who is responsible to justice. But at the same time I am recciting the three fold law over and over. I am not a negative person, nor do I wish anything bad onto another. I can say this though, I hope whomever commited these acts has the three fold law catch them between the eyes. I also don't wish to be anywhere near these people when their karma catches up to them, the Goddess cannot be pleased, and in time, I am sure she will express this in her own way. Blessed be to all, and please keep praying.
Opal Moon


A Tear Falls From A Darkened Facethe Light No Longer Shines... Sep 14th. at 6:30:11 am UTC

Moon-Shadow (melb, Victoria AU) Age: 17 - Email


A tear falls from a darkened face
The light no longer shines
A darkness greater than all else
Over shadows innocent lives

It makes the world stand still in silence
Heads bent in sorrows grasp
The terrorist strike so sharp so sudden
A blow to every worlds heart

From the distance places wide
America is watched in hope in fear
We send condolisances from a afar
And once again nations shed their tears

Peace and Love
So mote it be
A light veil upon a hardened heart

M-S
Australia


I Woke Up 9.11.01 At Exactly 7am Pacific Standard, My Radio At... Sep 14th. at 6:25:06 am UTC

Victoria J. (Lewiston, Idaho US) Age: 23 - Email


I woke up 9.11.01 at exactly 7am Pacific Standard, My radio at full blast (its very rarely on radio normally its on buzz) People were yelling and screaming over the radio about a plane hitting the WTC. I Jumped up and turned on the tv and watched as the 2nd one hit. My best friend lives in queens, you can see the WTC from her bedroom window. I freaked out and started running around like a chicken with its head cut off. I emailed I called... I went insane. She was fine, very shaken but fine. Well after watching the tv for 12 hours, forced to be listening to extremely thoughtless speeches by the president. I realized this, How can a nation be strong with a leader who only accepts those who's religion is his own? Everytime I see the american flag I become ashamed and the words "In God We Trust" Or "God Bless America" flash across my mind like a slap in the face. Its become the same old song and dance. Patriotism to your country and (god???) I had an argument with a woman today in a chatroom, saying that god will protect us all? I told her, "What do you think they were saying in palestine?" Its Pride? Isnt pride a sin? What makes america so great? Unity? I do not feel unified at the moment. Betrayed?

I feel numb

Blessed be, Please goddess watch over us.


All Those Innocent Lives...why? As Pagans We, More Than Most Others... Sep 14th. at 5:42:04 am UTC

Laughing Tiger (Tuscaloosa, Alabama US) Age: 26 - Email


All those innocent lives...why? As pagans we, more than most others understand that death is a natural part of the circle, but this...this was not nature. Those people had their whole lives ahead of them. They were so young. Destroyed all for being an american. I saw news footage of the people of the middle east laughing and clapping and thanking allah. I cried, and...I hated them. Then I told myself "No, that is not fair. Those people all their lives have had it drummed into their head that WE are evil, and WE hate them" What will come of this I do not know. I am not afraid, there may be war, but death holds no terror for me. I, however, do not want more lives cut short out of mankinds ignorance and bloodlust.
Amidst the death and destruction though I see a unity that is beautiful. I see people of all races standing together, all differences put away, I wish it could have been achieved without this. My thought are with all those people, and my heart goes out to them.
Love Light and Laughter
Laughing Tiger


I Haven't Been Able To Bring Myself To Post Here Until Now... Sep 14th. at 5:22:22 am UTC

Mari-Anne Mahlau (autumnfire) (New York, New York US) Age: 34 - Email


I haven't been able to bring myself to post here until now. I live in Staten Island, NYC (right across the harbor, a ferry ride into lower Manhattan). So many of our neighbors are missing and people that I grew up with and dated as a teen. My heart is torn apart and then in the next moment, healed and swelled with pride at the selfless acts taking place in my hometown.

I live with a NYC Sanitation worker who has been at St. Vincent's Hospital (the main hospital handling injuries for rescue workers)as well as down at ground zero 15 hours a day every day since this unspeakable horror began. I cannot even repeat some of the stories and sights he's seen. And then there are our brothers and sisters and friends and loved ones putting their lives at GREAT risk, digging in the debris, sometimes with bare hands because their work gloves are worn out. Police, firefighters, EMT's, Iron Workers (many of these are in my own family), sanitation, civil engineers and just regular folks trying desperately to save someone.........anyone who may still be living in this hellish surreal landscape that once was an awe-inspiring site. Some of these people are not even from the NY tri-state area only.........they are from places as far as Los Angeles, having driven here as fast as they could. These people don't consider themselves heroes. They just want to help.

Then there are the people like the 13 year old (yes, 13) who drove a truck to Jacob Javits convention Center (a staging area for the volunteer effort)with boxes of food and water for the effort! A taxi driver, dropping off cases of work gloves and flashlights. Huge truckloads from Timberland, Coke, Poland Spring, Champion, providing boots, socks (it is wet at ground zero and the workers' feet are soaked constantly), rain gear (it is now pouring buckets and we are having electric storms in NYC). People bringing their own clothing from their closets, some digging into their pockets and BUYING new items and just dropping them without a word at the Javits Center. Just some of many MANY stories of unselfishness and unity in the face of unspeakable tragedy.

I personally am more proud than ever to be an American today. Proud of the resolve of our people to band together and put everything at risk to sift through this in any way possible, even if only to cheer those travelling down the West Side Highway, handing out water to those heading back into the abyss. Yes, some are acting horribly and without thought in their terror and fear. These ARE THE MINORITY.

My heart and soul are with all of us with friends and family still missing and may the Lord and Lady wrap their comforting embrace around everyone suffering in many ways at this time. I am going to attempt to get up to Javits Center myself today to do what I can, even if only to answer a phone or make coffee. Please support this effort in any small way you can, be it candlelight inter-faith vigils, cash donations to your local Red Cross or other agency involved, so they can keep providing food, clothing and eveything else these rescue workers need.

Blessed Be and may the Old Ones be with us all.
Autumnfire
Temple of the Evening Star, NYC


Merry Meet I Woke This Morning Feeling As If I Had A... Sep 14th. at 5:15:19 am UTC

Grandfather Star (Marshfield, Massachusetts US) Age: 46 - Email


Merry Meet I woke this morning feeling as if I had a Bad Dream. I made my coffee, checked my blood sugar and took my meds like every morning. I felt numb can't quite explain it. I then turned on my TV which is something I never do in the morning, preferring to go to my computer and work while enjoying morning coffee. This tragedy was ALL over TV, every station still reporting Death, Injury, Horror! I can't escape it.

I chant: "Crone of Transformation Morrigan, Ending Springs Creation, Morrigan".

Where will this lead especially given the mentality of our current Administration? I wonder?

The Sun is rising on a new day as it does everyday, that beautiful mauve color coming up over the Atlantic but life IS different this day. And I wonder?

I have learned this morning that those I knew who could have been in harms way are safe. Yet this day IS different, I am less settled, more vulnerable, not to Nature Herself, that I have always understood and accepted. But instead by my fellow Human Brothers & Sisters...why? Religion??? Seems ridiculous to this Crone of Magick. And I wonder?

My 24 year old son speaks of his willingness to go to War to KILL! And I wonder?

I did not raise him to Kill, I did not raise him to follow the War Drums. Yet he is willing! And I wonder? I look at my grandchildren, what kind of world do I leave them that their Father, a child raised in a Goddess Worshipping Home should raise his Fists, beat his chest and call for Blood? And I wonder?

I saw a death list this morning of my neighbors here in Massachusetts who are known dead from being victims on the planes that were hijacked...I want to turn my head, to close my ears, my eyes, my heart, I do NOT want to hear, yet I listen with sorrow. And I wonder?

"Foolish Crone" I say to myself, "You are an Elder of The Old Religion, you know Death is a natural step in the Dance called Life." But THIS kind of death? No! Except this is the Cutting Season a time of sacrifice??? Only this, this was not Sacred, this was NOT part of the Natural Order of things where one life feeds off another to sustain itself as I do with the Corn of my Garden, the eggplant, the tomatoes. And I wonder?

I know now I have no answers, no ability to comprehend this destruction. I can only sit here in disbelief and wonder, will I ever have an answer?

Will we get beyond this? What will life be like this day and all the days to follow? Will our freedoms be curtailed? Will we go to WAR causing yet more destruction? Is this the beginning of the end?

Written 9-12-01


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