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What do YOU of our newest entry into the Presidential Political Pool?

Okay, the United States has a new President-Elect. And that's all that we here at TWV are gonna say about that! What do YOU think about our latest entry into the Presidential Political Pool?

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Phew... It's Just About Over, Folks. I Can't Say That I'm Happy... Dec 19th. at 2:14:55 pm EST

Candle Ogham (Sacile, Italy) Age: 22 - Email

Phew... it's just about over, folks. I can't say that I'm happy about the results at all, I am a die hard liberal political junkie. I vote democrat b/c I'm a very left wing kind of woman. I don't like any of Bush's tax cut proposals, I think his private school vouchers are the worst idea I've ever heard, and I hate his stand on the environment. (kicks soap box aside). However, he's our president-elect now and I happen to be a big fan of democracy so I'm going to grab myself a cup of coffee and watch him. Note to self: make sure Claris Works is in good condition, I see myself writing alot of "What the hell are you thinking?" letters. Aaaaaaah...I love this country!

Bush Won And I Couldn't Be Happier. Our Men And Women In... Dec 19th. at 10:26:52 am EST

SkyeOwl (Hammond, Louisiana US) Age: 36 - Email

Bush won and I couldn't be happier. Our men and women in the armed forces can now look at their leader with respect and dignity. George Bush doesn't believe that wicca is a religion. SO WHAT? How and when I practice my religion ISN'T determined by who wins elections. I take comfort in the fact that we can look forward to honest tax relief and not all of these so called "targeted" tax cuts that many are not even qualified to get. It's a great day for America in my opinion.

I Can't Believe This Bush Bozo Actually Pulled This Off (scratching Head... Dec 19th. at 10:03:47 am EST

mike sullivan (Worcester, Massachusetts US) Age: 27

I can't believe this Bush Bozo actually pulled this off (scratching head)...

This is a reality that I am trying to digest. It is clear that he doesn't have the savy or smarts to do this job, I am shocked that so many think that he does. The upside is that most of those that DID vote din't want him in office, I hope he realizes this and that his puppetiers try to convert us skeptics with some real "compassion". My gut feel is that they don't care about us (non republicans) and NOW that they run the show, they will do everything that they can get away with.

They blew over 50 million of OUR money and wasted almost a year trying to take down mr. bill. Should we do the same? Is THAT the game?

The voters down in florida got screwed big time. The republicans blocked all efforts at a recount and ran the clock out.

So mr. bush what's first?

tax cuts for the rich?
eliminating a woman's right to choose?
prayer in school?
cash for Christian schools
more exicutions?
oil drilling off our shores?

My usual positive nature has taken a hit with this travesty of an "election"...

I will NOT go quietly into the night.

I Am One Of The Only People That I Know Of Who... Dec 19th. at 9:34:24 am EST

Tony (Tampa, Florida US) Age: 28 - Email

I am one of the only people that I know of who considers the extended electoral process that we have just witnessed to be a positive thing. It has placed such a spotlight on the upcoming administration that, regardless of who had won, there is now much less chance for damage to be done. Such damage as may be done will be the result of inaction, not overaction -- which is what I had feared from either of the main candidates.

I'm Disappointed That Bush Is President, But It's Done And There's Nothing... Dec 18th. at 10:51:46 pm EST

Bryony Ravenwillow (Independence, Missouri US) Age: 32 - Email

I'm disappointed that Bush is president, but it's done and there's nothing we can do about it for the next four years. All I can say is that now is a time for heightened vigilance. Even though the House and Senate are virtually equal in terms of Republicrats and Demoblicans, the folks who financed Bush's campaign and paid his way into office will do their damndest to get their agendas worked into the system, no matter how small. We must be alert to what's going on. What environmental bills will be introduced? How can we aid (or fight) their passage? The environmental angle is only an example. There are many pagans who feel passionately about certain topics (the environment, religious freedom, reproductive rights, etc), and to my knowledge Bush (or the people who speak through him) oppose almost all of them. Yes, I still believe that Bush is merely a figurehead, and that any decisions made in the White House will not be of his doing, but of those who paid to get him there.

If anything else, the election proved that we have a flawed system in desperate need of overhauling. The Florida fiasco showed that. I still think that if the hand recount had been allowed to continue, Gore might still be our president-elect instead of a dimbulb who just happened to know people who could pull the right strings. We need campaign reform, and we need a univeral system of voting, where the people in Missouri or California vote in exactly the same way as the people in Florida and New Hampshire. No more butterfly ballots. No more dimpled or pregnant chads. A system where if a person voted for Bush or Nader or whoever, the people counting the votes would unequivocably KNOW that the vote was intended for Bush or Nader or whoever the person voted for. As it stands, I agree with what one person wrote in my local paper's editorial page...."Well, at least it was a bloodless coup."
Maybe in four years more people will get out and vote....then again, maybe this whole debacle has turned off more people than ever to the political process. Sad to think that this may be Bush's greatest legacy.

Love and Light,


I'd Just Like To Say That Thank The Lord And Lady That... Dec 18th. at 10:28:44 pm EST

Meridian . . . looking forward to a (hopefully) long career in the GOP. (Worcester, Massachusetts US) Age: 18

I'd just like to say that thank the Lord and Lady that the better man won, and Gore was unable to steal the election despite attemtps to force selective counts involving heavily Democratic volunteers tampering with ballots.

So Bush doesn't like my religious beliefs? So what? So I may have to deal with Christianity being shoved in my face? Nothing would change that! Bush or Gore. You all seem to forget that Gore was the one that said his domestic policy would be guided by the phrase, "what would Jesus do?" and Liberman quoted the Bible more than any right winger ever. Apparently the tolerance of many pagans for differing religious views only extends to Democrats. The same is true of our media. But we should view religion and politics as separate. Nothing anyone can do can destroy my beliefs; they exist in the silent places of my heart, the trees in the forest, and the smells of a Samhain cauldron. They are non-negotiable and not part of politics. Bottom line: he's not going to do anything that could hurt my faith and I shutter to think what Gore might have accomplished had he stolen the office. I agree with Bush on almost every other issue and actually campaigned a bit for him despite living in the hopelessly misguided and tyrannical state of Massachusetts. Gore was the real distrustful hater here. And it saddens me to see the responses on this page.
Blessed Be,

Meridian . . . looking forward to a (hopefully) long career in the GOP.

Before All The Insanity Finally Breaks Out, Please Remember That George W... Dec 18th. at 10:10:18 pm EST

Tanais (auburn, Washington US) Age: 20

Before all the insanity finally breaks out, please remember that George W. Bush is not going to be a strong president. Anyone can argue that we really haven't had a strong president in a long time. (how long is debatable) So what if Bush doesn't agree that Wicca is a religion. In all honesty he doesn't give us a second thought during the course of his day, so why do we? I understand he said publically that he doesn't agree we are following a religion but remember he is backed by the right-wing christians that would definately feel betrayed if Bush would have said anything else. Don't make Gore the white knight candidate either. While I thought he was the better candidate, and I did support him, he's just as weak as president as Bush is. I don't envy the task at hand for Bush. A split senate and an only marginally won house? That only means he won't be able to do anything contriversial if he wants any chance to get anything done. I disagreed with Bush not for his religion but for his economic outlook. I disagree with his tax cut plan and think it will fail and then the entire country will have to shelter the burden of another recession. I don't want to be all dark clouds. He does have a good track record of working with both parties to get some things done. I'm more then willing to get behind president Bush as I did President Clinton, Bush Sr., and even President Reagen. In my opinion Bush is going to have a miserable 4 years as president and then we will have another weak president that is unable to deal with most of the problems that the world faces. I give my hat off to Bush naming Powell to his staff and I do wish Bush all the luck in the world. I have a feeling he'll need it.

I Am Rather Anxious, To Be Honest. The Person That Unfortunately Has... Dec 18th. at 8:43:21 pm EST

Luna SilverHawke (Nashville, Tennessee US) Age: 32

I am rather anxious, to be honest. The person that unfortunately has been placed in what is considered to be the American seat of power is a close minded, religion-bigot. If he has his way he would repeal, or at least edit the 1st Amendment to include only white Protestants, other beliefs need not apply. Well, maybe the Catholics, if they keep their booze and bread to themselves, possibly even Jews, well I mean Jesus was one for a while, wasn't he? But none of those weirdos. You know the ones, they don't believe in Satan and God the one almighty Jehovah, and of course they haven't "found" Jesus. Funny, never knew he was lost. In fact, I was under the impression he knew from the start what path to follow and was true to it, all the while respecting other beliefs as long as that person respected and showed respect for his. Like the Dalai Lama said, "religious tolerance is called for as the variety of people in the world neccessitates the existence of a variety of religions in the world." As a pagan for more than a decade, this attitude of G.B., Jr. is very frightening.

We Have A New President. Did Everyone Look Up The Previous Links... Dec 18th. at 8:18:29 pm EST

Lunalinda (Columbus, Nebraska US) Age: 36 - Email

We have a new president. Did everyone look up the previous links on the Witches Vox to see what this new president thinks of Wicca? Scary that a man who does not consider Wicca to be a religion is now the 'supreme commander'. I hope that the Pagan and Wiccan community will be as informative as possible to help our new leader open his eyes a bit. It would help for him to be aware that there are many of us out here - and we vote too (I hope!). My biggest concern is that we don't go backwards. The Wiccan religion became a recognized religion in the United States in 1985 - lets hope that in the next few years that acceptance and the rights that accompany it are not reversed.

So, I Couldn't Vote. I'm Underage, Sadly, And For Some Odd Reason... Dec 18th. at 7:25:18 pm EST

Pandora (Orlando, Florida US) Age: 15 - Email

So, I couldn't vote. I'm underage, sadly, and for some odd reason the US hasn't conformed to my idea of letting people who are smart enough vote when they are 15 years old. However, I was involved in this election from beginning to end, as I adore politics.

First, I'll come right out and say it so a bunch of people can roll their eyes and deem me a "bad pagan". I supported Bush. I liked, and still like, Bush. I believe that Bush was the best man in the race. Regardless of his personal opinions about my faith and anything else, I still like him. And I'll say one more thing that would probably get me impaled on a athame blade at a pagan gathering nowadays...I didn't like Gore. I really didn't like Gore.

I'm in the un/lucky position of not only being a pagan and a Republican, but also a Floridian. So now I ask that you disregard my young age and just hear my opinions of this.

I get irked when I hear 'Oh, Jeb Bush stole the election for his brother.' How, pray tell? And if my governor is capable of stealing an election for his brother and his obvious choice for the presidency, why is it out of the question that one of Gore's supporters who happen to be governors stole the election in their state? I fail to see why when a Republican wins something, he wins unfairly, but when a Democrat wins something, he wins fairly. Double standards are truly at work here.

Now, about Dubbya's opinions of my religion. It may make me a "bad" pagan for saying it, but I really couldn't care less what he, or anyone else, thought of my beliefs. Come on, people, let's be realistic. Do you actually think that big bad Bush will single-handedly tie you all to stakes and burn you, and only blessed Al Gore can defeat this evil monster? Bush is Christian. That's obvious. And a main tenet of the Christian beliefs is that all other faiths are wrong. We have to accept that that is their belief, and none of our whining will change it. So Bush may not agree with your religion. So what? Gore is a Christian, too. So was Clinton . They, too, believe that we are inferior. Don't forget that. However, his personal beliefs have nothing to do with the way he will run our country. As I said before...Clinton was Christian, but he did not persecute other faiths. I see no reason why we should expect Dubbya to not follow suit.

And that's Pandora's say on the matter, even if it is "pagan-ly incorrect".

W. Just Couldn't Play Fair. The Clinton Haters Just Had To Have... Dec 18th. at 7:16:57 pm EST

dream walker (kent, Washington US) Age: 53

W. just couldn't play fair. The Clinton haters just had to have their revenge. I hope they enjoy it! I think we should all give this new president all the respect and cooperation that Clinton has had for the last eight years. Constant investigation and heckling. The people should show that THEY know what the constitution stands for and will not accept any group who repress religions or cut off food to little children or defile the environment. First we stand up and be counted and then as soon as possible vote the other way.. Fifty or a 100 years from now they will know that americans do not like "rigged" elections..Thats the way the bill of rights got its start.

Breaking News: God Overrules Supreme Court Verdict Bush To Be Smitten Later... Dec 18th. at 6:40:01 pm EST

a friend (Macon, Georgia US) Age: 27


In a stunning development this morning, God invoked the "one nation, under God" clause of the Pledge of Allegiance to overrule last night's Supreme Court decision that handed the White House to George Bush.

"I'm not sure where the Supreme Court gets off, " God said this morning on a rare Today Show appearance, "but I'm sure as hell not going to lie back and let Bush get away with this bullshit."

"I've watched analysts argue for weeks now that the exact vote count in Florida 'will never be known.' Well, I'm God and I DO know exactly who voted for whom. Let's cut to the chase: Gore won Florida by exactly 20, 219 votes."

Shocking political analysts and pundits, God's unexpected verdict overrules the official Electoral College tally and awards Florida to Al Gore, giving him a 289-246 victory. The Bush campaign is analyzing God's Word for possible grounds for appeal.

"God's ruling is a classic over-reach, " argued Bush campaign strategist Jim Baker. "Clearly, a divine intervention in a U.S. Presidential Election is
unprecedented, unjust, and goes against the constitution of the state of

"Jim Baker's a jackass, " God responded. "He's got some surprises ahead of him, let me tell you. HOT ones, if you know what I mean."

God, who provided the exact vote counts for every Florida precinct, explained that bad balloting machinery and voter confusion were no grounds to give the White House to "a friggin' idiot."

"Look, only 612 people in Palm Beach County voted for Buchanan. Get real! The rest meant to vote for Gore. Don't believe me? I'll name them: Anderson, Pete; Anderson, Sam, Jr.; Arthur, James; Barnhardt, Ron..."

Our Lord then went on to note that he was displeased with George W. Bush's prideful ways and announced that he would officially smite him today. In an act of wrath unlike any reported since the Book of Job, God has taken all of Bush's goats and livestock, stripped him of his wealth and possessions, sold his family into slavery, forced the former presidential candidate into hardlabor in a salt mine, and afflicted him with deep boils.

---from the Michael Moore website (

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