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911 America: Talking Through The Terror...

Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.

What are your thoughts on these incidents? How are you feeling? Feel free to post any magickal workings or other support gatherings planned in your area.

WebNote 9/16/2001: Since we launched this on 911 this forum as become laced with powerful inspiration and critical information, feel free to use the search functions on your left to better define the info you are looking for. Search for your area, famous Pagans, key words etc. Also check Wren's Nest News for the latest news related to our community.

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I Have Thought How I Wanted To Express My Feelings....i Came... Sep 13th. at 9:04:44 pm UTC

Triskele (Louisville, Kentucky US) Age: 29 - Email

I have thought how I wanted to express my feelings....I came across this and felt it was perfect.

In Darkness and Light, Triskele

~~~~~~~~~ We'll go forward from this moment It's my job to have something to say.

They pay me to provide words that help make sense of that which troubles the American soul. But in this moment of airless shock when hot tears sting disbelieving eyes, the only thing I can find to say, the only words that seem to fit, must be addressed to the unknown author of this suffering

You monster. You beast. You unspeakable bastard.

What lesson did you hope to teach us by your coward's attack on our World Trade Center, our Pentagon, us? What was it you hoped we would learn? Whatever it was, please know that you failed

Did you want us to respect your cause? You just damned your cause

Did you want to make us fear? You just steeled our resolve.

Did you want to tear us apart? You just brought us together.

Let me tell you about my people. We are a vast and quarrelsome family, a family rent by racial, social, political and class division, but a family nonetheless. We're frivolous, yes, capable of expending tremendous emotional energy on pop cultural minutiae -- a singer's revealing dress, a ball team's misfortune, a cartoon mouse. We're wealthy, too, spoiled by the ready availability of trinkets and material goods, and maybe because of that, we walk through life with a certain sense of blithe entitlement. We are fundamentally decent, though -- peace-loving and compassionate. We struggle to know the right thing and to do it. And we are, the overwhelming majority of us, people of faith, believers in a just and loving God.

Some people -- you, perhaps -- think that any or all of this makes us weak. You're mistaken. We are not weak. Indeed, we are strong in ways that cannot be measured by arsenals.


Yes, we're in pain now. We are in mourning and we are in shock. We're still grappling with the unreality of the awful thing you did, still working to make ourselves understand that this isn't a special effect from some Hollywood blockbuster, isn't the plot development from a Tom Clancy novel. Both in terms of the awful scope of their ambition and the probable final death toll, your attacks are likely to go down as the worst acts of terrorism in the history of the United States and, probably, the history of the world. You've bloodied us as we have never been bloodied before.

But there's a gulf of difference between making us bloody and making us fall. This is the lesson Japan was taught to its bitter sorrow the last time anyone hit us this hard, the last time anyone brought us such abrupt and monumental pain. When roused, we are righteous in our outrage, terrible in our force. When provoked by this level of barbarism, we will bear any suffering, pay any cost, go to any length, in the pursuit of justice

I tell you this without fear of contradiction. I know my people, as you, I think, do not. What I know reassures me. It also causes me to tremble with dread of the future

In the days to come, there will be recrimination and accusation, fingers pointing to determine whose failure allowed this to happen and what can be done to prevent it from happening again. There will be heightened security, misguided talk of revoking basic freedoms. We'll go forward from this moment sobered, chastened, sad. But determined, too. Unimaginably determined


You see, the steel in us is not always readily apparent. That aspect of our character is seldom understood by people who don't know us well. On this day, the family's bickering is put on hold

As Americans we will weep, as Americans we will mourn, and as Americans, we will rise in defense of all that we cherish.

So I ask again: What was it you hoped to teach us? It occurs to me that maybe you just wanted us to know the depths of your hatred. If that's the case, consider the message received. And take this message in exchange: You don't know my people. You don't know what we're capable of. You don't know what you just started

But you're about to learn.

Leonard Pitt - Miami Herald

This Is A Sad Time For All Of America. While I Am... Sep 13th. at 8:14:44 pm UTC

Turtleheart (Annapolis/DC, Maryland US) Age: 50

This is a sad time for all of America. While I am a pacifist at heart, I will stand by my Country's desicions in rooting out and ridding the world of the scum who believe that because our beliefs are different, that we all deserve to die. I sing praises to all other counries that are standing beside us in our hour of need. I sing praises to the hard working women and men who are giving their all in looking for survivors. I sing praises to the wonderful people of New York who have banded together in support of each other. I sing praises to the United States of America. Lady Liberty shines on today, tomorrow, and her light will never die.


Enlistingthey're Mobilizing And Organizingdrawing Plans To Rid The Worldof... Sep 13th. at 8:07:17 pm UTC

Mo Stoycoff (Sacramento, California US) Age: 31


They're mobilizing and organizing
drawing plans to rid the world
of threats and cowards and dark
fear-inducing little masses of men

And I with my one small mind
can't reconcile the deep of this event
cannot determine myself in all of this
cannot see but past the falling bodies

The blood of explosions dye my dreams
the bewildered cries of orphaned neighbors
rub me like three leaves of green
raw and poisoned and quarantined

I discover how little they matter
the little masses of men who fear
the small secret armies at war
the thin arms which tear and break the world

Or even the dreams of horror in my bed
over what this aftermath has wrought
the eyes locking, the hands clasping
and the blood freely given

The other little soldiers matter
who gather in offices, pubs and temples
who draw the moon out of the dark of the sky
and quietly spin strength from the threads of war

by Mo Stoycoff

My Heart Goes Out To All The Families Of This Great Tragedy... Sep 13th. at 7:46:28 pm UTC

Seldanna (Norwood (just outside Boston), Massachusetts US) Age: 25 - Email

My heart goes out to all the families of this great tragedy. Every night I pray to our gracious Lord and Lady to comfort the souls of the lost and comfort and send peace to those they left behind.

As for the people/person responsible, I don't know what to say. ALl that I believe says Harm none, but every thing I feel says the complete opposite. I pray and meditate every day for the clarity I need to clear my mind and soul. I am lucky that I did not personally know anyone that was lost. However many of my dear friens did. I don't think an all out war is going to help anything. I think it may make matters worse.

I pray to those in the armed services of the United States of America, that are our brothers and sisters in beliefs. I pray that they find the strength they need to work through their struggles with what they are trained to do and what they believe in.

I pray for my country to find healing. The healing for friends and families that have been left behind. The healing of a coutry. The healing of the world.

I pray for all of humanity to heal from this tragic turn of events.

I pray, just pray... pray for the future generations yet to come.

On Behalf Of The Fullmoon Coven, Here In England, May I Express... Sep 13th. at 7:44:01 pm UTC

Cerridwen (Wigan, England UK) Age: 50 - Email

On behalf of The Fullmoon Coven, here in England, may I express our sympathy with our brothers and sisters over in America at this terrible time.
We pray the Dark Mother will enfold all the victims in her arms, to give them "peace and freedom and re-union with those who have gone before." May She guild them towards the siver creasent of the Maiden, the light of rebirth. May the Lord give you all strength of heart at this terrible time. May He plant in you all the seeds of Hope for the future.

Out of darkness comes light
Out of dispare comes hope,
Out of tears, comes joy,
Through the smoke, a new sun rose,
And Liberty still stands.
Her flame burning bright.

The Following Rant May Be Significantly Longer Than I Wanted; I Apologize... Sep 13th. at 7:30:49 pm UTC

Vivhianna (Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario CA) Age: 18 - Email

The following rant may be significantly longer than I wanted; I apologize and I want to say right now that I feel very deeply saddened at the horrifying events on Tuesday.
When I stepped into the student lounge at school on Tuesday morning, immediately it was clear that something was terribly wrong. Both televisions were set to CNN, which is at most unusual. People were clustered tightly around them, professors and students alike. I asked a friend what had happened. He said, "A plane's crashed into the World Trade Center." Soon after I also heard about the plane which crashed into the Pentagon and about the collapse of the Trade Center's towers.
I don't think I fully understood the meaning of this quite at once. It's always hard to believe when something sad happens at best, and I think it would be a very obvious understatement to say that the events on Tuesday were a tragedy almost beyond imagination. (I say "almost" because somebody did think of how to accomplish this and sadly, succeded in making it reality.) To think that somebody could see any kind of sense in such senseless acts of violence as Tuesday's attack is appalling. And though this is two days later now, I personally still find it hard to get my mind around that somewhere, someone or perhaps several someones could be patting themselves on the back after what's happened. And to think that there are some who have celebrated this horrific turn of events is beyond my personal understanding.
In such circumstances, it is quite understandable that there are many people who want to wage war on the people who are responsible for this. Even here in the Sault, so physically far removed from the sites of the disasters, I have heard people say that they would gladly go after whoever is responsible. But to add even more senseless, tragic violence into the mix--surely that would only say to the terrorists that they have won? So many people have already died. Plus, who knows right now who is responsible for the tragedy? And if they were a group acting alone, would it be fair to declare war on the country where they came from simply because they came from there? The attack may have been an act of war, but to attack a country simply because it's the country of origin of a group of terrorists who may not have been acting on the will of their government is about as fair as beating up a person because of their skin colour.
Yes, I believe that justice must be done in regards to the people who have committed such a terrible crime not just against the United States of America but to all of humanity. But justice can be served in better ways than in committing acts of terrorism of our own--and, although I have never personally had to go to war, I've been told by people who have that war *is* terrorism but with a more poetic name. No, there must be a better way of solving this. Haven't we been told countless thousands of times that violence is never a good answer, even to something so tragic as this?
Words fail me now; a prayer comes to mind and heart for those who have perished as a result of these attacks and for those who were injured in them or who were there watching helplessly while they took place. A prayer also for those who knew people who were injured or killed, and for those who are searching for the bodies and the planes' black boxes and for any survivors that might possibly be there. That those who can help, will. And also that we may be guided to react to this tragedy in the wisest possible way and show the terrorists that the human spirit has not been broken, in spite of their efforts.

This Is A Poem Of My Feelings Of What Happened On Tuesday... Sep 13th. at 7:04:50 pm UTC

Alicia Hublou (Kansas City, Missouri US) Age: 18 - Email

This is a poem of my feelings of what happened on Tuesday the 11th.

Just Another Day
By Alicia Hublou
I cannot excape the horrible things that happened thes day,
I just want to run away,
Everywhere I look Isee destruction,
I wish someone would wake me with an interuption,
If only this was a dream,
Something like this could never happen it only seemed,
So many people so much grief ,
Where is this murdering thief,
You stole so many lives away,
YOU WILL be found and YOU WILL pay,
I am here and I am now,
I want to help somewhere somehow,
I wist that this would go away,
And that this was just another normal day.

You may forward this to friends or anyone but it must have my name (wich is at the top of the screen).

I Live Right In New York. Right In The Very Zone That... Sep 13th. at 6:39:04 pm UTC

Kim W. (New York, New York US) Age: 31 - Email

I live right in New York. Right in the very zone that is now closed to street traffic because they need the roads clear to speed ambulances to the hospital. Right where I could hear BOTH PLANES hit the towers as it was happening.

I spent the past two days weeping, calling and receiving calls from friends across this country and around the world, confirming I was alright and finding out they were. I also made the rounds of a number of volunteer stations yesterday looking to help -- and I got sent away because they had more than enough volunteers. This kind of response has been truly encouraging.

However. I have been hearing, and growing increasingly troubled, by reports that there has been a growing backlash against the Muslim and Arabic communities in this country as a result of the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Because of this, this morning I thought it may be a good idea to leave a short note at the mosque in my neighborhood stating that even though I was not Muslim, I was still their neighbor and did not condone this type of hatred.

Sadly, it was underscored to me exactly how much this type of action may be needed now -- as I was sitting on the steps of the mosque and writing this note, a man walking by stopped and remarked, "So this is where the snake pit is, huh?"

(Good manners prevent me from stating my exact response; let me just say it was loud, angry, and vehement, and echoed by another passer-by.)

I would encourage all of you, unless your own personal religious sympathies would prevent it, to stop by a mosque in your community and show your support either with a note or a kind word -- simply as a neighbor. I firmly believe that those who hold all of Islam accountable for the actions of a deranged few are no better than the terrorists themselves; if you let yourself hate in this fashion, you are giving in to the same kind of hatred and anti-Americanism that the perpetrators of this act did. And this is a group that is growing increasingly frightened and needs support as well. (After the altercation on the street, a couple of people in the mosque did come out to see what was going on; I explained my actions and they were moved and appreciative.)

Please feel free to forward this to whomever you wish and enourage others to do the same.


Kim W.

Prayer For The Victims Of The Terrorist Attack On September 11, 2001... Sep 13th. at 6:38:46 pm UTC

Rev. Crystal Moon, HPS (Deltona, Florida US) Age: 28 - Email

Prayer For The Victims Of The Terrorist Attack On September 11, 2001

Gracious Goddess,
The shadow of humanity has reared its ugly head,
Spreading destruction and gloom across our great Earth.
While it affects us all,
My heart goes out to the victims of this horrible act of violence towards humanity.
I ask thee, Goddess, to lend thy support and freely give thy love to the injured and missing.
I ask thee to assist in healing the grieving families who have lost their innocent loved ones.
I ask thee to bless our nation with your strength, courage, and optimism,
So we may come together, without hate, and stand firm against the shadow.
I ask thee to bless our Earth with peace, solitude, and harmony.
And in gratitude, Goddess,
I thank thee for awakening the Earth and bringing out the compassion from the hearts of so many,
We tend to forget and ignore the compassion thou have blessed us with.
Out of every tragedy comes a hope for something better,
And I ask of thee, Goddess,
That this hope be restored in the hearts and minds of all of your children.
I thank thee for stirring the emotions of billions, and opening their eyes,
So they may see that the hatred they hold in their hearts everyday is not needed.
Maybe they will realize that we are all one being of the Universe before it is too late for humanity.
May thy love and compassion protect us all,
And may our children never experience this type of disaster.
Blessed be!

Thoughts. This Is A Personal Reaction, Only One Of Several. They Exist... Sep 13th. at 6:37:37 pm UTC

Ceinwen (Storrs, Connecticut US) Age: 30 - Email

Thoughts. This is a personal reaction, only one of several. They exist in layers. I am hoping to find some people in this area in the coming Peace? Solace? I burn a candle every night for those who might still be alive and waiting, hoping to be released into this or another world's light.

The Ground at Storrs CT at 2:19 September 12
People look strangely at each other if they look at all. I drove in crying this morning but learned how to say ÒIÕm fineÓ by noon.

The t.v. is on the t.v. is on the t.v. is on: fbi chairs taken even the chairs they have no people but they have chairs where they sat severely burned
this is not everything tears and gashes the er doctor is talking now who came out of the rubble who did not this is not everything coming together unity against a common enemy or one that will do passing out candy waving flags and smiling an act of war president is salivating Mr. Hatch promises a stiff reaction and some preacher instead of praying saying war they say retaliation avenging we are not like that our way of life waving flags and smiling when they are dead will we have ticker tape and cotton candy?

this is not everything a man named tom his mother searches another in SanFrancisco her son said bomb a wife said knives an Indian student in the smoking area Wednesday at 10:30 I was supposed to be inside hearing about deviations the root of variance he dressed all in black and said we donÕt understand should not wait should bomb them into the stone age and he is brown and he is scared and he is the only one still saying bombs and war out there at the picnic table inside my proper tweed wrapped professor is talking rationally about controlled manipulations factoring out human variation this is not everything Sunday night a premonition in the kitchen while washing tupperware something outside was the only way to describe and very bad very bad I told only one person and there was nothing we could do not knowing what anyhow being taught to ignore to call it just anxiety paranoia projection of something too awful to allow to exist inside of us

small blue shirt
exploring hands
exploring dirt

hover clumsily contemplating
their inevitable descent
choosing an acorn perhaps.

The woman
in jeans and sandals
bends and straightens
legs then knees
to stoop to see what parts make up this whole
She has learned to ignore.
To call simply dirt.

From the base of the contorted steel ribbon
where the strange shadow of campus art shades me
I see blue and the only cloud high and white
grass and dirt
all safely where they belong
a woman, this child
my saviors

I Curse The Terrorists Who Did This To Their Deepest Hell. And... Sep 13th. at 6:25:02 pm UTC

Roy E. Wilson (Bremerton, Washington US) Age: 44 - Email

I curse the terrorists who did this to their deepest hell. And those who cheered and celebrated I curse them to see their worse fears come true. When attacks occured in the Mideast we didn't cheer most people asked questions and tried to find out the why. The blood has been spilt the fires have been lit prayers and curses have been spoken. Pity not the future of those who awoke the dragon because they have no pity. I am willing to bear the cost of my curses and what they may bring.

Daughter Of Freedomwords Can Not Express How I Felt When I... Sep 13th. at 6:21:25 pm UTC

daughter of Freedom (valley, Alabama US) Age: 43 - Email

Daughter of Freedom

Words can not express how I felt when I looked upon the burning of the Wtc
buildings on tv. Disbelief, shock and pain for the souls released to God. I
felt a deep spirit speak to my soul of the things that could come to be. I
sensed a great and terrible fear for the safety of my son who is an inlisted
member of the Navy.
My son is scheduled to go to the middle east in a few days if not sooner, due
to this terrible tragedy. I am trying to be brave and I fear, not just for him, but for this entire world. There are many things worse than loosing your life or the life of someone you love. One of which is to lose your soul and your faith. I pray that freedom will continue and people will rise above the hate and prejudice and judge each person for the goodness inside of them. How they react to this tradgedy will impact on each and every person they come into contact with.
Let our United States be proud of us in all we do!!!! Let us be Brave and stand for goodness. We will prevail and we will remain free!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Our United States stands for freedom to worship as we please and if it harms none do what ye will. May the light of Love, Wisdom and strength shine on our
United States.

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