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911 America: Talking Through The Terror...

Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.

What are your thoughts on these incidents? How are you feeling? Feel free to post any magickal workings or other support gatherings planned in your area.

WebNote 9/16/2001: Since we launched this on 911 this forum as become laced with powerful inspiration and critical information, feel free to use the search functions on your left to better define the info you are looking for. Search for your area, famous Pagans, key words etc. Also check Wren's Nest News for the latest news related to our community.

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It Me The Crazy Nores Ravenhair. Still Mad As Hell And Have... Sep 13th. at 4:25:12 pm EDT

RavenHair The Afro Nores (Philadelphile, Pennsylvania US) Age: 31 - Email

It me the crazy nores RavenHair. Still mad as hell and have lots of planes for the murders of our kin. But first i like to say thank you to all the brothers and sister for sending your energys last nigth to our wounded and to our dead. And my Odin honer all of you, me and my clan have put flame to candle at 9:00PM last nigth. And this well go on for nine nigths we well make this sheld so strong they well sing song about it. We already called on Odin from the North, Heimdal from the East, Thor from the South, and Freya from the West We called on tyr for Justice and hela for Hagalaz. Tonigth we well call on Verdandi for the power of ice to freez them and their weapons. Well call apone Mimer for wisdom then it will be lokis time to shine. We will trick our enemys eyes and mind and have them kill them selvs and each other before they well lay a nother hand on our kin again. This may seem mean to you but in my faith we believe in protecte you kin and may the gods help for what they have doen to our bothers and sister of our land because no one elsa well Hail Odin

I Would Have To Agree With My Short Life, I... Sep 13th. at 4:22:50 pm EDT

Tana Mirth (Atlanta, Georgia US) Age: 26 - Email

I would have to agree with my short life, I have always abhorred war. Something in me now is broken. I cannot accept this senseless and vain proclamation that THOUSANDS OF LIVES are worth less than one soulless man's hatred for something he envies. There is debate over whether these terrorists are brave for dying for something they believe in, or cowards for using terroristic tactics to say it. I think they are INSANE, and there is no bravery in that. You want to see bravery, look at any public servant, an army soldier, an airforce pilot, a marine, a firefighter, a police officer.
I abhor war. But I am ready to join the armed forces to defend my country, my right to believe and practice as I do, and my right to do as I will when I harm none. There are no arguments terrorists can present that justify this attack, regardless of nationality or beliefs. I will accept a dent in my karma to protect my family and all people who desire nothing more than to live in peace. I won't advocate war or fighting or violence, but I will defend peace.

Across The Western Ocean, Upon A Distant Shore, I Hear Its Wings... Sep 13th. at 4:10:59 pm EDT

Blue Willow (Derby, England, England UK) Age: 19 - Email

Across the western Ocean,
Upon a distant shore,
I hear its wings unfold and know,
The Eagle sleeps no more.

The castle gate has fallen,
With an awful roar,
I fear for my children now,
As the Eagle sleeps no more.

Once I heard the Eagle's cry,
When evil knocked its door,
A storm of wings descended then,
And that evil was no more.

So now I pray for patience,
Because it chills me to the core,
That the calls for vengeance,
Might outweigh the rule of law.

For revenge exacts a terrible price,
One we've paid before,
But many yet may have to pay,
As the Eagle goes to war.

And in its fury, it shall not know,
The evil, from the poor,
And punish all within its view,
With its terrible, swift sword.

So all good folk of ancient way,
Whom this evil do abhor,
Pray for justice, and restraint,
Let the Eagle sleep some more.


I know that I wrote a message earlier on in this board, but good things will come of all this. For myself, I have met a new friend through all this and although this is all very distressing for some people, we will all get through it eventually.

Here in England, nothing has been set up to enable us to help in giving our blood to the victims, and I know, deep in my heart that most Britons would give their left arm to help in a crisis such as this.

Please, everyone keep a level head, look to the God and Goddess for help, and everyone will be okay. I know that it is distressing, but at the end of the day, this tragic event was created by someone who has no respect for the feelings of others. Nature wasn't involved this time, this is no earthquake.

When everyone goes to bed this evening (as I will be doing shortly- it is 9.13pm BST), please light a candle and say a prayer for those in need.

Love, Light and Bright Blessings.
~*Blue Willow*~

Shayde....i Sympathize With You Completely. I Am Glad To Hear Someone... Sep 13th. at 3:59:16 pm EDT

Snow Dragon (Langley) Age: 23 - Email

Shayde....I sympathize with you completely.
I am glad to hear someone speak the truth about this incidient.
It was horrific and that will never change but your right it seems no one wants to accept responsibiliy for their part in creating this racial hatred.
I am so angry this happened aswell.
I am angry that we are still thinking about killing each other in this day and age. The Muslims, Protestants, Afgans ect...are as human as we are.
Your right they have families, pay taxes live their lives and not all of them share a totalitarian view like I find most the U.S. dose.
Mabey that last statement was a generalization and if it is im sorry but I cant support a country of people who take out their weapons and shoot at will then recuse to accept their responsibility and part in the continuing wars.
I just hope this opens peoples eyes and really alows them to face the facts about racial wars and the truth of the pain and devistation it causes on both parts.
Thanks again for your words Shayde

Peace everyone

I Am From England. We Share Your Sense Of Sadness And Loss... Sep 13th. at 3:42:05 pm EDT

Pete Jennings (Halstead, England UK) Age: 47 - Email

I am from England. We share your sense of sadness and loss, as well as outrage at such a despicable act. As well as the many Americans, it has been estimated that at least 100 UK citizens are missing, who worked in the trade centre or were tourists. Our Prime Minister has offered full support to the USA. On behalf of myself and many others in the Pagan community here we offer ours to.

Personally I am of the Northern Tradition. I shall be asking my Gods and Goddesses to ease the paths of those many lost spirits. I have thought hard and long, and shall also be doing a magickal working to bring the organisers of this act (but specificaly not the innocent people they live amongst) to have no peace until they are caught and dealt with. As a non PC Odinist I hope that it is death. I am not used to doing such magic, but feel fully justified in this incidence, and will thus use my anger in an effective way to give more power to the working, and take personal responsibility for it.
Waes Hael!
Pete Jennings

The Turn Of Events That Occured On Tuesday Are Heart-wrenching. Through The... Sep 13th. at 3:41:49 pm EDT

Azeenila, Medicine Hands (Puyallup, Washington US) Age: 24 - Email

The turn of events that occured on Tuesday are heart-wrenching. Through the tragedy let there be light. It is our place as the earths children to heal through positive energy and enlightment. Please do not allow yourself to become apart of the hate, become your own healer and use your energy in a good way. We can heal, you all know this. Take this knowledge and use it wisely. Do not judge, it is not our place. "If Mickey Mouse were a terrorists, would all those that wore Mickey Mouse caps terrorists too?" Be kind to your neighbor, be them like you or not. Give example to others around you, it is contagious. We will rise from this tragedy, and into a world of light.

Light your candles, and direct your energy in a healing manner. Thank you my brothers and sisters.

It Has Been Two Days And I Am Still In Shock And... Sep 13th. at 3:27:19 pm EDT

Catdra (Three Rivers, Texas US) Age: 41 - Email

It has been two days and I am still in shock and hurting. Please pray for all the rescue workers especially those who are digging survivors and bodies out of the rubble. Some areas of the pentagon and the WTC are unsafe to appraoch. Rescue workers are in despair knowing that may be survivors but that thay will be unable to assist them. Lord and Lady I ask you to help any way you can, even if it is to comfort souls of those who passed on. I have also heard of muslims and mosques being attacked here in america. We should not let anger rule our hearts. Pray to the god and godess for wisdom and healing.

I Am So Reminded Of The Tower Card: The Blast From The... Sep 13th. at 3:23:48 pm EDT

Amber (Phoenix, Arizona US) Age: 50 - Email

I am so reminded of The Tower Card: the blast from the sky, the two people they spoke of hand in hand jumping from one of the twin towers. I think The Tower is often referred to in terms of that 'that which is not built upon Truth shall fall'. I pulled from my deck, the 2 of cups and The Sun and lit before them 3 white candles I carved with ancient symbols in gold: I prayed to the All of whom we are the children of, to blanket us with the Peace that Passeth Understanding.

Greetings All.i Am An Pagan Who Lives In South-western Ct, Fairly... Sep 13th. at 3:18:43 pm EDT

RainPanther (Norwalk, Connecticut US) Age: 24 - Email

Greetings all.

I am an pagan who lives in South-Western CT, fairly close to the NY border and I'm completely in shock. I feel like I'm fighting against the reality of what has just happened and that it's all some sort of horrible dream. At the same point, I feel frightened for what this means to the future of our country. CT is a very pagan friendly and highly progressive state, but lately, all I hear from my associates at work and around town are how this happend because "God has taken his hand off of the USA." People are irrationally blaming this incident on those who beleive in abortion, who don't pray, and who "sin". When I come home and turn on the news I hear Senators and other people in power stating that God is the only way we are going to get through this. I watched part of the vigil last night only to here more people quote bible passages. The president, when he addressed the union did the same. I understand the need for people of all backgrounds to turn to religion in this time of need, but for the first time in my life I truly feel like a minority. With the support networks out here on the east coast and the many events that we can attend, it wasn't a feeling that was ever present before and now it's pretty difficult to cope with. We've had 1 riot already in which a Mosque in Bridgeport has been attacked by men with baseball bats. The hate and anger seems to be on the rise at a frightening leven and I can't help but be afraid that the Pagan Community will soon be another target for these hate attacks. I am also afraid for what this will mean for our quality of life in the future, and for the children I wish to bring into this world. This seems like a key turning point in history in which we can never turn back.

I've had a candle on the mantle burning since Tuesday night and last night my family held a small candle light vigil of our own outside. It has helped somewhat, but I still feel the effects of this great tragedy and loss.

Thank you all for listening to this rant. Blessed Be,

This Is A Really Tough Time To Be An Empath, Let Me... Sep 13th. at 3:12:31 pm EDT

Heather Fairfield (Canton, Massachusetts US) Age: 29 - Email

This is a really tough time to be an empath, let me tell you. I feel it whenever there is tragedy that claims a multitude of lives ("I sense a disturbance in the force", if you know what I mean), and it has been really tough to filter some of the grief, anguish, and rage that is constantly flooding in on me. I find myself alternately furious and weeping. I am having extreme difficulty focusing on anything because of all the high emotions I am picking up on. I can't shut it out -- I've tried. Usually, I have much greater control over my ability to block reception in times where I'm picking up on too many emotions at once. I've always been highly sensitive this way, but right now the emotions are overwhelming and I'm not used to having such a hard time blocking things out. I have another Pagan friend in NH (I'm in Boston) who is having similar difficulties -- and he is much less experienced than I am in "blocking transmissions". He has really been a wreck for the last few days, and I am heading up to see him tomorrow night. Hopefully, we can find a way together to dampen the reception that we're getting before we go crazy.

I feel very helpless and very frustrated, needing to do SOMETHING but unable to be there helping the rescue workers, which is where I would be if I could. This is very very difficult for me. I don't really feel angry as much as terribly terribly sad.

On the way home last night, I asked the Mother a question. My question was this: "Mother, why did you create us with the capacity for so much violence?"

The answer I received (She always responds when I least expect it) was this: "I gave you the ability to be violent so that you could protect yourselves against that (the image I got here was of a predator) which would harm you. It was your decision as humans to turn that power against each other. Would you have had me create you blind and helpless? You (as a species) made this decision, now you must live with the consequences."

I pray that She gives us the strength, wisdom, and courage to make better choices in the future.

Blessed Be,
Heather Fairfield
Canton, MA

Nightfall Coven Of Dekalb Will Be Holding A Ritual Tonight (9/13... Sep 13th. at 3:12:26 pm EDT

Nimue (DeKalb, Illinois US) Age: 32 - Email

Nightfall Coven of DeKalb will be holding a ritual tonight (9/13) at the Huntley Park labyrinth, between 2nd and 3rd and Prospect and Garden streets in DeKalb. All are welcome. Call (815)754-4863 if you need further info. You may want to check out Starhawk's visualization on her page
as we will be using it tonight.

The Ancient Societies Whose Gods And Goddesses We Share Understood That Different... Sep 13th. at 3:11:10 pm EDT

Elizabeth (Omaha, Nebraska US) Age: 38 - Email

The ancient societies whose Gods and Goddesses we share understood that different types of people were needed for different tasks - warriors, counselors, teachers, healers, leaders. A society who had the correct balance between these was a strong and stable society. A society whose warriors overrode its doves, or a society whose doves silenced and chained its warriors, was an unstable and weak society whose instability would cause its downfall.

In the pagan community in these last few days, I have seen those whose spirits call them to be warriors, and those whose spirits call them to calm strife, argue among themselves as to who is 'right, ' who has the 'correct' response.

Perhaps it is time to consider that we need is the balance of *both* the spiritual warriors and the spiritual healers and counselors. Instead of trying to change each other's nature, I believe it is time (past time) to accept each of us as the person we have been called to be. This, of course, requires that we each examine ourselves and our motives clearly. Once that is done, our confidence in ourselves and each other will make our magick stronger.

Some of us have found the balance of the two within ourselves, some of us need another in the community to provide this balance. I believe each should expend their energy in the way they have been called, and all should trust the Goddess and the God that the calling is the best one for ourselves, our people and our planet.


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