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Posted: Nov. 17, 2002
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911 America: Talking Through The Terror...
Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.
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| It Has Been Two Days Since The Attack On Our Nation And... ||Sep 13th. at 1:55:42 pm EDT|
|D'Vynity (Chicago, Illinois US) ||Age: 27 |
It has been two days since the attack on our nation and all I can see on the TV and the internet is "We gonna git em!", from our leader, from our government, and from our citizens. Message boards are crammed with violent and militant comments of racism and revenge. Arab Americans, two of whom are friends of mine, are being attacked on the street. The nation thought to be harbouring our number one suspect braces in fear of war.
While those responsible should be brought to justice, the universal notion of "Two wrongs don't make a right" should also be remembered. Of course, try making that expression on a Yahoo board and you are called such charming things as a "pinko sand n****r lover". Bombing a nation off the planet is not the answer, although many would love it to be. The enemy nation and their allies would vow revenge just the same and the whole cycle starts all over again. Unfortunately, if a group is going to keep going until they are indeed destroyed, that is NOT the fault of the nation and their people, but the nation's government if they are harbouring the group.
Another thing I see over and over again is this concept of "evil". The whole deed was "evil", done by "evil" people. There is "evil" human action, not "evil" human beings. We can judge the actions, but we have no right to judge the beings. Those folks celebrating our demise, well, all I have to say is this: they are our enemies, after all, and that doesn't make it any more right and acceptable, but I know quite a few people here in America who, during Desert Storm, who were gleefully cheering for the destruction while wearing their Desert Storm T-Shirts, saying the troops should kill any Arab they see. I, for one, was appalled by this behaviour, as were some of those in the Middle East two days ago. Not everyone on our enemies' soil is dancing in the streets. Even militant Islamic groups are condemning the loss of innocent civilian lives and are offering their regrets. While difficult to do in times like this, to judge an entire race, religion, or group of people on the basis of one extreme group is wrong. It would be like lumping all pro-life supporters into a group of woman-hating, clinic bombers, which some of them are, but not all. Or lumping all Pagans into misconceptions of being Satanic and "evil".
Before anyone goes off half-cocked into "I gonna shoot them down myself!", I suggest a civil and logical regrouping and rethinking. A full-scale bombing is not going to fix anything this soon in the game. The nation and the world are still too freshly wounded from the events only 48 hours ago. We are still too angry. We first need to heal, physically and emotionally, before making an attack, if it is at all necessary. This needs to be a time of mourning those who were lost, remembering their time in this life, and glorifying their passing into the next life, no matter what religion you are. The night of the attacks, I lit my alter and prayed to four goddess, one for each of the planes that went down: Bastet for healing and life, Hera for reencarnation into whatever body one choses, whether spiritual or physical as well as Heaven, Hecate for the Moon, the light in the darkness, as well as her role as a Triple Goddess, and last but not least, Athena, who is not only the goddess of War and Justice, but that of Wisdom, which we will all be needing in the coming months to keep a level head in this touchy and horrid situation. bin Ladin's group is indeed dangerous, make no mistake about that, but what is more dangerous is the fact that we have no idea how many of his supporters are here. If we act in too much haste, we could seriously regret it in the end. This is a time for brains, not braun. If need be, the braun will come later.
I've tried not to step on any toes in this situation, but I've always been raised with the concept of "Give Peace a Chance", and I guess that's what you get when you have hippie parents. I would like to say that others agree with me, but I know those folks are very few and far between in days like these. We are clinging to the ends of the dove's tail and we have heavy rocks around our ankles. Only time will tell if we fall away from her completely, but as of now, our grip is slipping.
| Merry Meet Brothers And Sisters, I Feel Ashamed Of Myself Because Everyone... ||Sep 13th. at 1:51:31 pm EDT|
|Freya Faeryheart (Beaver, West Virginia US) ||Age: 22 - Email |
Merry Meet Brothers and Sisters,
I feel ashamed of myself because everyone else is being so patriotic and all I am is terrified.I am so afraid that this will become nuclear or biological, so much so that I constantly shake, cry in the night, and have a huge knot in my stomach.All these horrific scenes replay in my head, the bombs hit, my family dies, exept for my small child who dies slowly from radiation and starvation.This is what I see, and I can't tell if its preminitions or utter fear.I am so afraid its hard to function, I just want to hold my son and cry, or pack up and run.But is anywhere safe?I pray, cast Circles and protection spells and they help for a moment, but the horrible scenes return.No one can give me answers so if anyone has any words of wisdom, I need them now.
Thanks, and Bright Blessings,
| After The Attacks Tuesday Which Have Left Us All Numbed At Best... ||Sep 13th. at 1:49:00 pm EDT|
|Paul D Schreiner (Farmville, Virginia US) ||Age: 30 - Email |
After the attacks Tuesday which have left us all numbed at best, there has been a lot of talk, a lot of very emotional talk about what as a nation and as a people we should do next. How do we respond to a deliberate mass murder of this magnitude? How do we respond to this destruction?
And nearly everyone has understandbly answered the same way: Retribution. Revenge. Kill those who masterminded it, who aided in its implementation, and everyone in between.
Where does the cycle end?
Osama bin Laden, if he is the "one" responsible, is merely a symptom. Take him out, and you offer how many others of like mind to take his place? And with added motivation, to boot?
How does killing the leaders of those responsible ensure that this won't happen again? It doesn't. It only ensures that we won't have a prime suspect next time. We won't know from where the next attack will come.
Exacting revenge will not solve the problems that face the world today. It will not solve the defecit of communication and understanding that make terror not only a viable, but a necessary outlet for people across the world. Only when we learn to listen; to examine ourselves; to understand that we are not the superiors, and that equality, once begun at home, must be shared to have meaning...then we just might start to turn the tide of terrorism.
But it's hard to listen to the small voice of peace when bombs are dropping, and over gunfire.
Remember, in these hard days, that an eye for an eye leaves both parties half-blind.
Remember, and ask yourself what those who have perished would have wanted.
Remember, and ask yourself what kind of world you want to leave to your children.
| My Thought Is This.....first Of All My Heart And Prayers Go... ||Sep 13th. at 1:46:36 pm EDT|
|scorpius (arlington, Washington US) ||Age: 36 |
my thought is this.....first of all my heart and prayers go out to all the families and individuals affected by this act of depravity and destruction.although i am open minded to all the faiths of the world;i find truths in all religions, from buddhism to wiccan.but for the life of me i can not understand the fanatical beliefs of these middle eastern terrorists.what kind of reward is there in nirvana, sugmad, sidharta or with allah for the taking of these innocent lives???i am not a racial profiler but it seems to me that about 80% of all the terrorist activities are conducted by select groups of middle easterners and their respective countries.the battle for the holyland rages on.allah vs. jehovah, right vs. left, dogma vs. schism, hate vs. america.we need to tighten up security at airports, terminal, depots, borders, stations and the like, but not on drugs, but on the weapons and the explosives these cowards use.no persons with known terrorist ties should be admitted to the u.s.any persons with questionable credentials should be detained and screened accordingly.atleast two undercover agents should be on any outgoing or incoming plane to or from the u.s.we need to wipe out these terrorist factions and occupy their oil wells.for what drives most of these countries, crude oil and lots of it.the sale of oil only means more guns, explosives, missles, jets, tanks and ships for terrorist activities;for most opec nations.with the support of other allied democratic countries behind us we should send in our collective militaries to seize their oil wells, occupy their lands and police their government until if and when their leaders and factions can be responsible enough and have some humanity to govern themselves and respect the people of countries abroad.and the gods help us all when these fanatics get nuclear weapons of mass destruction.the countdown to WWIII has begun.....sleep well america
| Honor To The Brave Who Perished! The Firefighters, Police And Oher Rescuers... ||Sep 13th. at 1:42:06 pm EDT|
|Bjornsdottir (Royal Oak, Michigan US) ||Age: 40 |
Honor to the brave who perished! The firefighters, police and oher rescuers, the passengers who found courage to make their deaths heroic sacrifices to prevent further destruction. May they find welcome in the halls of the Aesir and Vanir. May the gods inspire endurance and courage in the hearts of all who search and await news of kith and kin. May all the spirits of places, both lands and waters, arise and stand with us to protect the innocent and drive terror from our shores. Great Thunderer, defender of our homes, and Tyr the Just guide our actions. Let us be just and honorable.
| It Saddens Me That Not Only We Allowed This To Happen, But... ||Sep 13th. at 1:38:33 pm EDT|
|Zachary (Buffalo, New York US) ||Age: 25 - Email |
It saddens me that not only we allowed this to happen, but that there are people out there who have so much hate for us. Dancing in the streets, celebrating murder. As a Pagan, I feel I should learn from this, and study it. As an American, I want those bastards dead, no question about it. Bomb them all. These 2 mixed emotions confuse me at times, but as a Libra; one who looks at all sides of everything, I cannot help but to feel both. God and Goddess bless America. May Freedom Ring.
| My Emotions Are Too Many To Express All Of Them. I Have... ||Sep 13th. at 1:29:17 pm EDT|
|Morrigan (Pasadena, Maryland US) ||Age: 37 - Email |
My emotions are too many to express all of them. I have barely been able to turn off the TV as I have watched these terrible events unfold. We have seen both the worst and then the best in humanity come out of this.
I too will be giving a blood sacrifice (donating blood) once I have secured child care. I just wish I could do more. My prayers to the Gods go out to all who have suffered.
| I Think What Has Happened Was Horrible. But We No Matter What... ||Sep 13th. at 1:20:28 pm EDT|
|RedCrow (Lockport, Illinois US) ||Age: 31 - Email |
I think what has happened was horrible. But we no matter what race, religion, nationality get toghether and support the country that we live in. I think that the terrorists failed to dampen our spirits. The American spirit is alive, well, and kicking. I give out my energies to those familes that were involved and I hope the best for them. We should help in anyway we can(Monatarily, giving blood, or showing our patriotism.) Freedom sometimes comes at a price and we should not take it for granted.
Hope, love, peace, and Brightest blessing to all.
| One Last Posting From Me - I Promise!i Belong To A Homeschooling... ||Sep 13th. at 12:55:39 pm EDT|
|Lasairchroidhe (Cedar Rapids, Iowa US) ||Age: 36 |
One last posting from me - I promise!
I belong to a homeschooling email list that is supposed to be secular, which is why I joined it. One dear soul in response to many folks asking "What can we do?" posted a Pagan call for healing prayers and actions to unify us. IMMEDIATELY, the fundamentalist Christian response came: "Focus on JESUS!!!!"
I came down hard on the responder - saying "We are about to get involved in a holy war - we CANNOT become divided internally along religous lines! We are AMERICANS, we stand together no matter what. Healing prayers are needed desperately - anyone who is willing to devote time, energy, strength and healing to this cause needs to be supported whether you like the way they worship or NOT."
So knowing that this kind of prejudice is out there and threatens to tear us apart, let's think about how we can best serve to unify all Americans - YES, we have been the "underdogs" for literally thousands of years, but we MUST put our own prejudices aside and serve to bring us together as a nation. I've started thinking hard ahout this, and I haven't come up with a plan just yet. It's got to be a grassroots thing - musical events featuring music from all faiths would be a good start. ANY suggestions would be welcome.
I hadn't realized that even in the face of incredible, unfathomable tragedy, these fundamentalist Christian Americans would be so selfish and intolerant that they would refuse to acknowledge another faith's desire to be of service. My blood is still boiling! Gods, we've been attacked! We MUST help our compatriots set aside their intolerance and become truly one voice.
| Brothers And Sisters: My Faith In Human Nature Had Reached Its Lowest... ||Sep 13th. at 12:48:22 pm EDT|
|Hunter (Toronto, Ontario CA) ||Age: 38 |
Brothers and Sisters: My faith in Human nature had reached its lowest point after witnessing this act of barbarism. But it has since been restored by seeing the incredible bravery of the Firefighters and other emergency workers, and also by the many New Yorkers lined up to cheer them on.
From today forward the letters FDNY are synonymous with heroism.
All free people are New Yorkers today.
| The Loss Every One Feels Is Great And The Insult That We... ||Sep 13th. at 12:43:54 pm EDT|
|Raining Phoenix (syracuse, New York US) ||Age: 18 - Email |
The loss every one feels is great and the insult that we bear makes us as Americans want revenge. I have only one case to plead, that of the Earths. We all need to work together now to end this violence that terrorists keep sending our way. I have been surfing through numerous chat rooms and all I hear (especialy in the Pagan rooms) is lest kill them, war war war. I may be wrong but I realy don't think that is our way. I say this, we practice magick and I say we use our gifts to help our entire country. Alone with spells and rituals we can cause great things to happen but just imagine the possibilities when we all send out our energies to reach 2 out comes, peace and justice. We need to now start protecting our country and also bring out the attacker, let his name come forth so that justice can prevail. I hope you all understand where I stand here.
being steped on by one person hurts but being trampled by a stampede will cause much more, thus the same with our energies, one person can cause a dent on the wall that stands in our way, but all of us working together. WE CAN KNOCK IT DOWN!!!!!
E-mail me if you have any ideas how we can all combine our energies, consciously
| Namaste! I Have Been Committed To Pacifism My Whole Life, And Have... ||Sep 13th. at 12:41:08 pm EDT|
|Nancy Batty (Denver, Colorado US) ||Age: 35 - Email |
Namaste! I have been committed to pacifism my whole life, and have always wondered how I would feel about non-violence if my country were ever really attacked. Of course I never REALLY believed it could happen -- in my head I could see it, but the possibility never entered my heart. Now it has happened, and I, like many pacifists undoubtedly, find myself struggling with fantasies of retribution. My home has been violated; my community has been damaged. I believe the desire to hurt Them back is a natural one, an emotional reaction that must be honored.
But then there are a few reminders that I give myself, that come from the heart of my pagan spirituality, and the first thing I try to remember is: There is no Them. We are one human family, all born of Gaia, all fed from Gaia, all returning to Gaia, each a cell of Her living body. When our government goes to bomb a foreign people, they will be erasing divine mandalas in the shape of human beings, and they will be shaking the web of interconnectedness, just as the ones did who hijacked those planes.
Which leads me to the next reminder I give myself: War makes war. I have an opportunity to be different from the ones who came before, from the ones who took the planes. I have an opportunity to stop the wheel of hate and retribution, and, yes, even karma... to stop it with me. I don't want to play in a big game of pass-on-the-hate. What if they gave a war and nobody came? I want to find out.
I'm focusing my love and my magick and my prayers on peace and healing. Justice will happen; I have no doubt. The universe is a clockwork machine, and energies will return to those who sent them, or to their communities. But, for me, the way I have found best to comfort myself is to feel the fear, the pain, the anger, the hate -- and then turn back to the path and do something constructive that involves love and peace and healing. Shalom to all.
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