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911 America: Talking Through The Terror...
Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.
What are your thoughts on these incidents? How are you feeling? Feel free to post any magickal workings or other support gatherings planned in your area.
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| I Hear The Souls Of Those Poor People Screaming.....i Watch The... ||Sep 13th. at 4:06:03 am EDT|
|Artemis (Danbury, Connecticut US) ||Age: 21 - Email |
I hear the souls of those poor people screaming.....I watch the news and can't believe my eyes....it's horrible....yet I can't turn away from it....all I see is the towers collapsing, the people jumping or falling out of the crumbling building, all I can think is thank the Gods everyone I know is safe, justice should be served and the three fold law will get to whomever is responsible for this tragedy...The first thing I thought of when I heard the news is that this was like Pearl Harbor, but worse...more people gone....mostly civilians, innocent people just doing their jobs, mothers, fathers, grandparents, sisters, brothers, sons, daughters, friends, etc. I wish this was all a bad dream. That day I lit three candles....green, white and red.....green for healing, white for protection and red for love and courage....I blessed them and sent their energies to those who needed this and let the candles burn down.
I send my condolences to those who have lost a loved one or have one that is missing or injured....may the Lady and Lord take you into their arms to console you.
Blessed Be to
| Horror,anger,sadness,sickness Disbelief,compassion,pride,love Death,life,destruction,recovery... ||Sep 13th. at 3:31:22 am EDT|
|Brandy Z. (Fort Myers/Lehigh Acres, Florida US) ||Age: 25 - Email |
Horror, anger, sadness, sickness
Disbelief, compassion, pride, love
Death, life, destruction, recovery, faith
Hope, unity, insanity, sanity, fear
Strength, weakness, looking over our shoulders
Hugs, tears, kisses, fists
Chaos, calm, eerie, support
Denial, ignorance, patriotism, symbolism
radical, passive, suicide, fire, smoke, bodies
numb, numb, numb, numb, numb
I can't quite put what I wanted to say in order, so I just typed the words that popped into my head.
| Yes, Other Parts Of Our Readings Also Agreed With Jenab's (below). And... ||Sep 13th. at 3:24:37 am EDT|
|Pagan Mother (Palo Alto, California US) ||Age: 38 |
Yes, other parts of our readings also agreed with JenAb's (below). And the ultimate long-term outcome unfortunately will be not the most peaceful world (well, we had that already before). BUT no WW3 for now, or so say the cards. Thank Goddess.
| Horned Lord Watch Over Us.eternal Goddess Be With The Dead And... ||Sep 13th. at 3:19:58 am EDT|
|Shayde (Martinez, California US) ||Age: 20 - Email |
Horned Lord watch over us.
Eternal Goddess be with the dead and dying.
Protect your children from themselves.
Protect your children from suspicion that makes fools
see fellow citizens as the enemy. May the stakes and bonfires
of the past remind us of the wages of fear.
Brothers and Sisters I love you all.
Send money, blood, and magic to those who need it.
When my seven day mourning candle burns out, may
the world be a safe place again.
Horned Lord watch over us.
Eternal Goddess be with the dead and dying.
Brothers and Sisters I love you all.
| I Have Friends And Family Living And Working In And Around Manhattan... ||Sep 13th. at 3:09:34 am EDT|
|Pagan Mother (Palo Alto, California US) ||Age: 38 |
I have friends and family living and working in and around Manhattan. All of them who haven't yet, I pray Kuan Yin they PLEASE call or email soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Last night (9/11) in an emergency-organized Vigil/Circle here in the South San Francisco Bay Area, while burning incense for all the innocent crying souls, we saw *A PLANE* flying overhead, due East - we think it was likely additional rescue/safety personnel from California going to help, as the news media had been reporting. We sent them energy and wished them God/dess speed. God/dess Bless our nation's REAL heroes - those who risk (and often lose) their lives to try to help others.
We did divination work last night, as well. The readings indicated our Magick as Pagans is a strong tool at our disposal in dealing with this situation. It is important to use it wisely and well - let's try and keep innocents everywhere from being harmed anymore.
Readings also indicate the future is precarious for our children, and their children. OUR CHILDREN ARE THE FUTURE. Lets make sure they have a world in which they can grow up safe!!!! We CAN do something about it, if we are careful and wise. USE YOUR MAGICK!!! Use it well.
I understand that anger and hatred are in the forefront of many minds, but we also need the Wisdom to see who and why to be angry against. Pagans themselves know persecution - and should be among the first to realize that it is quite likely many Arab and Islamic Americans also died in this catastrophe, and that their American communites are in no way responsible. Don't take it out on them!!!
The perpetrators were betraying their own professed religion when they committed such a hate crime against our nation. They are the lowest form of life imaginable. I wouldn't want to have THEIR Karma on my soul!! I must admit we left THEIR souls OUT of our prayers entirely.
Goddess bless those all who died, Goddess support all those who must live without their loved ones, Goddess bless the children, and Goddess Bless us all.
| This Weekend I Dreamt Of Walking Through An Area Where The Torsos... ||Sep 13th. at 3:01:04 am EDT|
|JenAb (Memphis, Tennessee US) ||Age: 29 - Email |
This weekend I dreamt of walking through an area where the torsos of the dead were stacked in one room, arms and legs in another. In the dream, I walked through these rooms crying. I remember being angry, too, because there was a feeling of media sensationalism. At the time I had the dream, I was too caught up in my own personal worries to realize it for the omen it was. I didn't even figure it out until this afternoon. The shock of it all. Having to still go to work yesterday and be "perky" on the phone (I work as a receptionist), all the while having to listen to macho posturing, hate language and the ignorant, reactionary comments all day sapped me as much as the constant viewing of the news that came later, that I just couldn't pull myself away from. No matter how much I wanted to. As in every time of stress, I turned to divination to help cope with the confusion. Lately I have been working with the Elder Futhark runes.
I did a reading on the developing situation. Present, recommended/probable action and likely outcome. The rune I drew for the present was Teiwaz, which I read as charged conflict and preparations for war. The action I drew was Thurisaz, a war fetter...used to turn back the negative action on those who sent it. Also, it can, I believe, indicate a response which is violent and powerful in the extreme. Finally, Ansur in the reversed position, as the likely outcome. This I interpreted as communications disrupted, chaos and loss of freedom.
I know that there are some folks out there who are probably more familiar with the rune than I, and if you have a more positive reading on what I drew, please write me and let me know. Also, if anyone has any ideas about using runic magic to help the situation, let me know...I want to help.
I was lucky enough to have the person I love most with me last night as I watched the recap of the news. I feel incredibly blessed and thank the Goddess and God for that, and pray that love will prevail in the world.
PS Memphis, TN pagans....where are you?
| Alhough I Am Fairly New To The Craft, I Have Felt Our... ||Sep 13th. at 2:54:45 am EDT|
|Kerin (Syracuse, New York US) ||Age: 19 - Email |
Alhough I am fairly new to the craft, I have felt our Earth Mother weep just as strongly as I'm sure you all have. As a new resident of New York state, I was terrified that such hate could happen so close to me, and that is could happen at all. As I write this, war planes are flying above me, and the wounded are being delivered by helicopter to my school. But I am not afraid for myself, I am afraid for those blinded by rage. Every action that we take from now until the resolution of this conflict is so critical.... we must join together to send our love to the souls of those who have passed on and to the loved ones whom they have left. Although negative energy is running high, we can't let that enter into our magick or into our hearts. I believe that we, as Wiccans, Witches, Pagans, have an intense obligation to stay positive as we deal with this tragedy. Sending bombs to a country that is full of people as innocent of crime as ourselves is not the answer. Those responsible will be punished, and those swayed by their negativity will hopefully begin to see the truth. I know many of you, as well as I, have mixed feelings about being true to our Craft and wanting to see the offenders punished severely. Just remember- anger, rage and frustration are emotions innate to our human existance. But hate is learned. And Love is exponentially more powerful than any of those.
May the world be bathed in Love and Light. Blessed Be.
| I Woke Up On September 11, 2001 Hazely And Looked At The... ||Sep 13th. at 2:43:21 am EDT|
|Terra Bast RavenKitty (Jamaica, New York US) ||Age: 17 - Email |
I woke up on September 11, 2001 hazely and looked at the time. 9:00am. Another day to delve on my problems. Had my day planned out since the day before. A trip to the DMV for forms to get my permit, I needed to find out what to do to take my SATs and also I needed to spend the rest of that day trying to find a job to save up for college tuition. I rolled over, and closed my eyes again, hoping to have a little more rest before my mother woke me to get ready. A few minutes later I hear my mother turn on the TV, most likely trying to tune into stock market reports, and a few seconds later I hear an obsenity escape from her. Surprised that my mother would say such a thing so early in the morning, I sat up and asked what was the matter, and with her eyes still fixated on he television set she told me to turn on the television where I was. I fumbled for the remote and when I finally turned it on I was staring at a gaping hole in one of the twin towers. A few seconds after I watched live as the second commercial airliner collided into the other. All day I watched the news and searched the internet, finding out information on the terrorist attacks. I worried for my boyfriend, who works on the docks on Statan Island, hoping for his safe return home. I met my friends, one by one, after school, hearing about their worries for families and friends who work in the Manhattan area and even inside the building. And even tonight I sit here worring for the customers at my mother's video store that I have befriended over the years that had jobs in the WTC that has not shown up for a rental.
I still cannot believe the towers have fallen. It's so hard for something so devastating to sink in. I remember turning to my father to ask him a question and all of a sudden my mother grabbed me and I turned to the TV and I saw the building collapsing. I couldn't believe it. I used to go to Manhattan occasionaly and I would look up at the Towers, hurting my neck just to try seeing all the way to the top. To think someting so massive...I thought about the amount of damage that must have been done. "It looks like a war zone." "You can't even tell there was a building there, " I hear on the news. I can't imagine what I would tell my children in the future.
I was out with my friends today, like any other day, and of course the subject was unavoidable. My mail friend were sitting around talking about the possible war and agreeing to enroll themselves if it was to happen. How many more lives will have to be taken? And how many more loved ones will be lost?
I pray for everyone out there who have missing loved ones and I pray for all those people who may still be alive but not found. For all the people who have perished and I hope they all have reached Summerland and are happily waiting to be reborn.
I ask that if any Pagans out there in the Queens area, preferably around Jamaica, is doing a prayer or a ritual for the benefit for this crisis, if me and my few friends can join. Or if any teens out there who would like to create our own, please email me. Or if anyone can give us or help us with one we can do on our own, we would be extremly grateful. We are a small coven of about 5, between the ages 15-18.
With love and hope to all, Blessed Be.
| Blessings Allsince The Terrorist Attacks That Happened Reciently, I Have Been... ||Sep 13th. at 2:22:54 am EDT|
|Wayne Andrews (Siler City, North Carolina US) ||Age: 50 - Email |
Since the Terrorist attacks that happened reciently, I have been asking for help from the God/dess, angelic guides, and my protectors to help me take the right course of action. It would be easy to fall into the temptation to let anger and hate rule over me in spite of what has happened. The first thing I did was to put my *full* trust into the Goddess hands and let her take care of the situation her way, since she knows the situation best.
Frequently, I have been casting circles, calling upon the Guardian of the Watchtower of the four quarters, to send help and energy to the victims of this tragedy. Hate has a way of "eating" your energy and making you do things you'll regret later. Hence, my energies could be better spent helping those at the White House, ones who died at the Twin Towers, and their families.
The list of victims could go on and on. I also have sent energies to President Bush, (and family) that they will be safe and that he will make the best decision possible for all persons. Hate is very old; it never solves anything. It just creates animosity between individuals. However, I feel it is just to pray that the God/dess will exact vengeance on the purpetrators, and those who harbor such criminals. *BUT* I pray that the Goddess (and other dieties) will do this in a way that they see best. In the mean time, I have talked and comforted those whom I have been with. I try to council them to pray to their diety/dieties for wisdom, and to let them take care of matters. Don't take matters into your own hands.
Remember the Three Fold Law (Rule of Three, or something similar): Whatever a person sends out (words, thoughts, deeds, or energies) will come back to then three-fold at least...if not more.
In spite of this sad situation, perhaps there is a glimmer of hope. This may be the one thing that will bring Pagans and Christians together. It doesn't matter what one's faith (or religion) is. Just about anyone will tell you "Violence and killing is wrong. Whoever did this will be punished". Life is precious...may we never take it for granted.
May the God/dess give you the strength, courage, wisdom, and faith to get through this horrible ordeal.
Love and Blessings Always, Wayne D. Andrews, aka Flying Eagle
| My Wife Is In The Armed Services. Monday Night I Was Restless... ||Sep 13th. at 2:22:10 am EDT|
|Elwyn (Seattle, Washington US) ||Age: 32 - Email |
My wife is in the armed services. Monday night I was restless, and could not sleep, so at 1:30 am I got up, read a little from my local Seattle newspaper, and ate a bit. I keep trying to go to sleep, and couldn't. Finally an hour before she awoke, I fell asleep tight wrapped in her arms, and slept soundly(she had been away with her job for abput 3 weeks). We had a little misunderstanding before I dropped her off at the base. Later that day, we realized she wasn't coming home any time soon. I wish to pray for her, and tell her how much I love her. My dearest Moonbeam Princess, wherever you may fair, know this, I love you, and pray for your safety contiued until you are tight in my arms once again. Blessed Be! (My wife was home all of 4 days, before she was deployed again, this time, we don't know when she comes home...)
| It Is Hard To Find The Words To Speak On This Tragedy... ||Sep 13th. at 2:13:51 am EDT|
|Isis Macnamara (Greenville, South Carolina US) ||Age: 23 - Email |
It is hard to find the words to speak on this tragedy. My heart aches to think of the pain and the desperation of the victims and thier families. I think about the absolute despair of being on one of those planes, or begin in one of those bulidings. I think about the scar that this will leave on the collective psyche of the world, of how I will never quite feel safe and secure again. I think of all these things and I wail inside.
Now I hear people screaming for justice, for war. Justice? Oh yes, I want justice, revenge, whatever you want to call it. I want those responsible for this unbelievable act of phsyical and psychological terrorism punished and punished and punished. Personally I think death is to good for them. Hell, if allowed, I'd punish them myself. But the cries for war that I hear disturb me. Why should thousands more innocent people die? Why should I have to worry if my husband or my male friends (all of the exact right age to be drafted if it came to that) are going to die because of this? Why should any American worry about that? War is not the answer. It is not just the guilty who suffer in war. Everyone loses, even if they win. Example: Veitnam. Who won that war? Noone. So many people died, how could any victories be gleaned from that? Look at the Gulf War. We didn't even get Saddam Hussien. He's chillin in the desert somewhere. But people died in the attempt to get him. Maybe it is an idealistic view, but I feel enough innocents have suffered. Lets just punish the guilty for once.
We are in pain, as people. We need to focus this pain, this wild energy that we all feel, on the victims right now. We need to send strength to those who may still be alive in the wreckage, send healing for those who have lost family and friends, send blessings to the spirits of those who died, and hope that the world can heal. There has been enough hate.
| From Reading These Posts I Am Given Courage In This Scary Time... ||Sep 13th. at 2:13:09 am EDT|
|Wilde Kat (seattle, Washington US) ||Age: 20 |
From reading these posts I am given courage in this scary time. My heart and prayers go out to the familys of the victims of this aweful aweful crime.
You know what? I think that instead of a plaque or a tree to remeber this by... we as a people should build another building in the trade center's place. A BIGGER building... in red, white, and blue. We must show no fear to the people responsible. Harm none... yet in my tradition we belive that you must protect your family. We must protect our country ... and the innocent people from attack.
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