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Question of the Week: 14 - 11/6/2000

The Unresolved US Election

Did YOU vote? Which candidate did you vote for? How do you feel about the political wrangling going on right now in Florida? Will/Should either candidate concede for the good of the country-or should either/both fight it out until we all scream for mercy? How do you think either candidate, if declared the winner, will be able to bring the country together given the inference that the election results now point to an America that is almost equally divided into one camp or the other? And the BIG question-What, if any, impact will the final results have on the Pagan communities?

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I Did Vote. Although In Massachusetts, Gore Was A Shoe-in. I Also... Nov 13th. at 11:24:50 am EST

Firesong (Boston, Massachusetts US) Age: 26 - Email


I did vote. Although in Massachusetts, Gore was a shoe-in. I also stayed up that night to watch the returns. I saw Florida given to Gore. Then taken away. I saw it given to Bush, and then saw him declared the winner. Then I saw them take it away. I have also seen that after all is said and done, Gore won the popular vote. The majority of Americans want Al Gore to be our next president. But Florida may change the course of all of that.

Having lived in Florida, Miami specifically, I know first hand the ballot fraud that goes on down there. Florida, on the whole, is terribly corrupt. I have no problem thinking that there was extreme fraud going on. My parents still live in Florida and told me what happened to them.

Their polling place was changed and they were not notified. They new polling place was across a park from where they were. They managed to make it in time, but many people who had been at their old polling place were denied access, the officers saying that they were too late, even though they had been standing in the other line.
While my parents were in line, they had people walking up and down the line campigning for GWB.
Many Hatians were turned away, told that they were at the wrong polling place when they were in fact at the correct one. By the time the confusion was cleared, it was too late and the polls had closed.

Anyone who tells you that the election in Florida was fair has no clue of what really goes on there. Unless you have lived there, with the corruption, you have no idea to the length politicians will go to get their guy to the elected position.

I don't think there needs to be a re-vote, just go with the popular vote. Obviously, most amaericans want Al Gore. This used to be a country where the majority rule.


As A Canadian, I Find Myself Slightly Amused And Also A Little... Nov 13th. at 11:08:38 am EST

Marea (Niagara Falls, Ontario CA) Age: 30 - Email


As a Canadian, I find myself slightly amused and also a little repelled by all the hoopla across the border. It seems that in the ultimate fast-food culture, if we can't know the results in a few hours then we have a constitutional crisis likely to rip apart the country at the seams. Here in Canada we won't be free of election jitters for some time since we are facing a greatly similar circumstance in our Nov. 27th election. Many other countries have elections which last days and weeks which take place in far less secure circumstances and manage to build a nation from the event. My best advice to those Americans who are feeling angry and impatient is, stop and take a deep breath, and then let your system work for you. Once you have your answer, adapt and carry on. If constitutional change is in order, all the better to have an opportunity to carry on a national discussion about what it REALLY means to be an American! Good luck and best wishes to you all!


I Cannot Believe That In The 21st Century, Paper Ballots Are Still... Nov 13th. at 9:38:57 am EST

Amethyst (Lynnwood, Washington US) Age: 42 - Email


I cannot believe that in the 21st century, paper ballots are still being used, especially for the Presidential election. It should all be done by Internet, and the results would be available immediately.
George W. Bush is so used to his daddy getting him anything he wants that he can't fathom that he may have lost. His attack dogs are trying to keep votes from being counted, but I don't see how they will succeed, since Florida law allows for a hand recount in these cases.
If Bush does become President, he will have a hard road ahead of him. He will be under even more scrutiny than before, and more and more skeletons from his past will come out.
Al Gore shouldn't give up, even if it turns out to be President Dubya. There's always 2004.


A Wake Up Call For All Americans Is Ringing Across The Land... Nov 13th. at 9:12:39 am EST

Trish Telesco (Western, New York US) Age: 40 - Email


A Wake up call for all Americans is ringing across the land. If one considers the mistakes, miscounts, and uncounted ballots in Florida alone and multiplies that by all 50 states, the numbers become staggering. It is even more so when you consider how few of these errors can lead to placing the wrong person in a position of power on a local level.

If "BY THE PEOPLE" is to have meaning, people's votes can't be idly thrown out like yesterday's garbage. This sends a horrible message to our youth that while we say every person's vote counts, it's simply not true because it's too much of a bother!

I feel the recount is necessary, and indeed morally required. And no matter who wins this election, I pray that afterwards they begin overhauling the whole country's systems so that ONE STANDARD approach is used -- one that allows each voice, the voice of the PEOPLE to be heard clearly and resolutely.


Yes, I Did Vote. My Choices Was Centered On Many Issues, Healthcare... Nov 13th. at 9:08:31 am EST

Samantha (St. Louis, Missouri US) Age: 35


Yes, I did vote. My choices was centered on many issues, healthcare, women's issues, environment. I was suprised when asked by a couple of friends and my mother why I was choosing to vote for Gore, that they did not realize our next president would be appointing, and soon, Supreme Court Justices. To simplify my point to my friends and my mother I advised them that Bush would padlock our panties and there would only be 2 keys, one for our husbands and one kept in Washington D.C. Notice I said husbands, not partners or significant others, as I am sure they would continue to do whatever is necessary to infringe on whatever headway we've made in that arena as well.
Samantha


I Hit The Polls As Soon As They Opened (6:00 A.m... Nov 13th. at 8:05:38 am EST

WyndeHawke (Northern VA, Virginia US) Age: 30


I hit the polls as soon as they opened (6:00 a.m.) and voted for Gore, even though I knew he couldn't possibly win in Virginia. As for the wildly entertaining circus in Florida, I don't think either candidate should concede until all the votes are in, no matter what the other side thinks they should do. I agree with an earlier post about the country coming together - only some kid stuck in a well (or something of the same nature) will be able to do that. No matter who wins, a bunch of people will be unhappy. I really don't think there will be a major impact on the Pagan community - regardless of who wins - mainly because we will not be silent if we feel our rights are being impinged upon.

My mother brought up an interesting point when I was talking to her last night - if the Florida situation were to occur in any other country than this one, there wouldn't be protesters demanding a re-vote, there would be out-and-out rioting in the streets, possibly to the extent that the military would have to be called out to take control. Thank the Goddess we live in a democracy.


Here's The Frustrating Thing... They Can't Do Anything Till The 18th When... Nov 13th. at 7:12:26 am EST

Wolf MistWeaver (Centreville, Maryland US) Age: 40 - Email


Here's the frustrating thing... they can't do ANYTHING till the 18th when the absentee ballots are all due in. It's moot fussing about how many recounts we have till then. Let them keep counting if it makes them happy!

Yes, I voted for Al Gore. I think the republicans would be making an equal fuss if the vote had been this close in the democrats favor. No, nobody should concede till all the votes are in. A revote is not fair in that several states had a lot of problems. Here in MD, if you used the DMV to register to vote and moved, you were dropped from the election rolls and not told so thousands of MD residents went to the polls only to discover that they could not vote. Whatever votes are in by the 18th, those are the votes we should go with no matter who gets it.

As for the electoral college... yes, some states are less populated than others but hey, guess what? They STILL only really visit states with high electoral college numbers which are... guess what? The more densly populated states. We need to go to the popular vote. More voices are heard that way.

Sorry Canadians... you can't possibly be more sick of hearing about it than we are tho! LOL


I Voted Libertarian This Year - I Couldn't Bring Myself To Vote For... Nov 13th. at 2:41:48 am EST

Shae O'Herne (Apache Junction, Arizona US) Age: 42 - Email


I voted Libertarian this year - I couldn't bring myself to vote for Gore, because I had big problems with Tipper in the 80's. When I was working with metal and punk bands she was busy trying to censor them. I couldn't go with Bush - his views on choice and his obvious ignorance about what constitutes a religion (i.e, "Witchcraft is not a religion...") were enough to keep me away from there. I toyed with voting for Nader, but there's something wierd I sense about him - can't say what it is. So, I was left with the Libertarians. Pro-Choice on everything....

My feelings about the final analysis are that whatever happens, America will continue to function. I'm not so sure that the final result of THIS election will impact Pagan communities. However, I think that the winds of change are blowin' and our political system may be headed for some kind of change over the next four years. What, who knows for sure? Let's hope it's positive...


I Find It Both Sad And Amusing That While We Canadians Are... Nov 13th. at 12:38:43 am EST

Runa Lindi (Fort Erie, Ontario CA) Age: 46 - Email


I find it both sad and amusing that while we Canadians are in the midst of preparing to choose which party will run our country for the next few years, our media seem more interested in what is happening to the American presidential election. Unlike your two-party system, we are about to decide between a man who has on at least one occasion stated publicly that witchcraft should be outlawed once and for all in Canada, the man who has taxed us to death for the last few years, the man who can't keep anyone awake when he's around, and the woman who really cares but whose party has no credibility.
The one thing that has come out of the recent election is that a large voter turnout had an effect and that an even larger turnout might have made this whole situation quite different. I can only hope that Canadians will have learned a lesson and get out to exercise their right as members of a democratic country.


This Was My First Experience Voting. Being Young And Not Jaded By... Nov 12th. at 11:35:15 pm EST

SylverHawke (Worcester, New York US) Age: 18 - Email


This was my first experience voting. Being young and not jaded by a "failing" system, I voted for Ralph Nader. Since I live in a traditionally democratic state, it was safe. I knew Al Gore would get the electoral college votes here. If I lived in a "undecided" state, I would have voted for Gore. I am disturbed by the process so far. It seems to be in total chaos with very angry people on both sides. Although the recounted seemed to further confuse and delay the process, I think it is time for the democrats to suck it up and accept defeat. I am not a Bush supporter by any means. Although he probably won't directly effect Pagans (unless he plans on following through with banning ceremonies in the military), he will indirectly effect Pagans and other non-Christians. Allowing the Ten Commandments and school prayer in school makes a lot of people uncomfortable. If you allow on set of religious guidelines in school, where will the line be for others? Although I am disturbed, I am happy that my first time voting was such an exciting thing to watch play out, and it can only get more exciting from here on in.


Electoral College Responce. In Regards To The Electoral College, I Truly Believe... Nov 12th. at 11:16:29 pm EST

anon (Orange County, California US) Age: 25


Electoral College Responce. In regards to the electoral college, i truly believe the system our founding fathers set up is working well. You have to understand that there are alot of states out there that are not as heavily populated as others. For example Texas has many more people than Idaho. If we did away with the electoral system that would make for a very unfair election. You would have the candidates only visiting the HIGHLY populated states and none of the little guys. And why not? Because the little states would not matter, those people would not matter, only the popular states. And thats not fair to each and every american at all.


Most People That I Have Spoken To In This Country Have Made... Nov 12th. at 9:28:19 pm EST

Draconius (Aylesbury, UK, England UK) Age: 26 - Email


Most people that I have spoken to in this country have made the comment "only in America" and all in all that is the way it is viewed over here. It makes a complete farce of democracy and doesn't paint a very good picture of either the Electoral College or protocols of voting and should never have been allowed to happen.

But now that it has, I reckon the simplest thing would be to have a re-vote in Florida (although this may not be the most practicable answer), or for the US to have a 'hung parliament'. I'm only saying that last bit because that's the way it would work in Britain if a government were to get in with such a small majority.

It is also getting a teensy bit monotonous for us not US citizens to turn up at another website and see nothing but the election being discussed, but that's just my personal stuff!


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