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911 America: Talking Through The Terror...

Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.

What are your thoughts on these incidents? How are you feeling? Feel free to post any magickal workings or other support gatherings planned in your area.

WebNote 9/16/2001: Since we launched this on 911 this forum as become laced with powerful inspiration and critical information, feel free to use the search functions on your left to better define the info you are looking for. Search for your area, famous Pagans, key words etc. Also check Wren's Nest News for the latest news related to our community.

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As Requested By My Dear Friend, Jenne, I Am Cross-posting A Reply... Sep 13th. at 1:04:12 am UTC

Mavelle (DFW area, Texas US) Age: 26 - Email


As requested by my dear friend, Jenne, I am cross-posting a reply to a military friend in our online pagan forum. Mainly, I had trouble expressing myself about what occured, until I responded to our friend Glenn.

-Mavelle
* * *

Excuse the Xianese, but Amen Sister. You so said it. And I want everyone here to see that, it's not our silence that will heal this...it is our expression and our words. By speaking out and getting our feelings out in the open, we can begin to understand the filth the outrage the utter despair that is churning in our collective minds.

You kicked ass in that little article you just wrote, Ma--and I wish you'd send it in to like witch's voice or something--it's eloquent and well-put. War is bad--war is not good. But it's a necessary tool. And as animals (and yes, I do believe we are animals), we have our own instincts and behaviors. Unfortunately, violence is one of them. But we are also divine enough to realize that the violence should be as well placed as possible...and I think it needs to be placed directly on the asses of the perps. Simple as that.

Brava, m'dear. You spoke like a born speech writer--perish the thought, I know.

More huggles (you sound like you need them--and I do, too! ;))

Jenne

--- In astral-chat@y..., "Komadori" wrote:
> Glenn, my prayers go also to you and your new family and to my
> brother and his family, as well as all U.S. military families. When
> the president says "war" it is very different from a citizen
> saying "war" as you know. This is a very different war with different
> strategies, but we cannot exclude the possibility of our brothers and
> sisters in the military, will fight and die for the liberty we have
> often taken for granted.
>
> I hate war. But I know that so does everyone else on this list. I
> hate also the fact that other pagans have and will continue to lift
> their noses to our pagan brothers and sisters in the military. They
> do not understand.
>
> We are human. We are not perfect. We are a part of nature, and we are
> predators, not just gatherers. We can choose to be vegetarian, but we
> are not by birth. As omnivores, this is our natural heritage. With
> cogniscience comes the matured versions of our instinctual nature.
> War is brutal, but sometimes it is necessary in order to protect the
> values we hold so dear. I hate it, but this is how life is.
>
> Not on this list, but on another, someone didn't think we should go
> to war.
>
> I think we should. I like to think myself a pacifist. I don't see
> myself harming someone, much less killing them. Perish the thought!
> But I cannot say what I would do would my life or the lives of my
> loved-ones and innocents be endangered.
>
> Not only were lives of innocents endangered yesterday. They were not
> only taken, but STOLEN. The lives are gone forever, even if you
> believe in reincarnation: each incarnation is like a snowflake. Each
> moment of each life is unique. There are tens of thousands, I feel,
> of unique innocent lives that were taken, and countless families
> broken.
>
> I lost my father to a massive heartattack without warning, back
> in '97. Little children, teenagers, and adults all lost their
> fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, ect ect ect: all to these
> suicidal thieves who have twisted a beautiful religion to their
> designs as excuses for the hatred they have grown up with and
> harvested.
>
> If we react with our instincts, we will be no better than them. If we
> react lilylivered and yellowbellied, we will disgrace the lives that
> were stolen and it WILL continue. It happened in '93, it happened
> again. There is a pattern. We simply must nip this hatred in the bud,
> and though I cannot stand the president personally, I agree with him
> on this issue.
>
> Throughout this ordeal, images of Waco kept coming to mind. The fact
> that someone can twist faith to such a level. It is frightening and
> sickening. I do not know, but I think that this cake cannot be
> unbaked, as far as the mental outset.
>
> I also am a bit more stable inside (I looked stable outside, but was
> shaken within, yesterday) today, as I go to work on the 16th floor of
> a highrise outside of downtown, working my job within a
> financial institution's office. Even still, when I look outside, I
> can visualize what it might have looked like, and it pains me to
> think how brutal the occurence of how these people died.
>
> I hope and pray that survivors will continue to be found within the
> rubble. I feel selfish for worrying that my brother will be sent
> should the warfare escalate to something more... traditional.
>
> It's funny. I couldn't find the words just an hour or so ago. I think
> the dam just blew. I'll leave it there, though, I guess. I still feel
> that nothing I can say really says it though. And on second thought
> of that, I think that's good. I really wouldn't want a word or
> expression to exist in language for what I feel. I don't want to feel
> this way again, nor for anyone else.
>
> Blessings and Love,
> -Mavelle


I Am Totally Devastated! As A Small Child I Grew Up With... Sep 13th. at 1:02:09 am UTC

ottersong (everett, Washington US) Age: 64 - Email


I am totally devastated! As a small child I grew up with the fears of WW2, as a teen it was losing friends in Korea, Then the cold war where we all just knew that we were going to be nuked at any time, then came Nam and its horrers, IS THIS TO NEVER END? As we are Witches it is time to put a binding on anyone who is a known terrorist, whether foreign or domestic. It is time to stop the terrorists and violence against all of us and GAIA our mother and our very life blood. These sorts of people do not give a second thought to what the ultimate outcome of a world war COULD be.

If there is someone out there who is good at organizing and is knowledgeable about the web, Maybe you would consider a worldwide timezone organization of Witches to do a major binding upon these individuals. We have the power and knowledge to do this now that we have the "net"Maybe Fritz and Wren will help out with this endeavor.


The Terror Is Hard To Accept... Or Even To Believe. I Lit... Sep 13th. at 12:59:18 am UTC

MoonFyre (Thousand Oaks, California US) Age: 41 - Email


The terror is hard to accept... or even to believe. I lit candles to pray for the victims, the survivors, the dead and the living. I pray for us all. I pray for justice and for peace. But if there is vengeance to be had, let it be swift and true. So Mote it Be.

Lord & Lady, God & Goddess... protect us all.


Moonbeam, My Heart Is Heavy And My Soul Is Sick My Mind... Sep 13th. at 12:14:14 am UTC

Moonbeam (clearlake , California US) Age: 15


MoonBeam,

MY heart is heavy and my soul is sick my mind is reeling and all I can do is pray. I am fromnew york and these tragedies have hit home for me. I cry and preay for everyone involded to recovermand the ones we have lost be protected and cherished beyond the veil. May the Goddess and God bless them and protect the world from any such tragedy recurring. I HATE NO ONE RESPONSIBLE BUT HAVE PITY ON THEIR TARNISHED SOULS FOR THE KARMA THEY'VE COLLECTED WILL DAMN THEM FOREVER.

HEAR ME! MAY ALL WITCHES, WICCANS AND PAGANS IN THE WORLD SIT DOWN AND PRAY AND ON THE DARK MOON HAVE A RITUAL TO SHEID THE U.S AND PROTECT ALL! FOR THE GOOD OF MANIND, COME TOGETHER AS THE BROTHERS AND SISTERS WE ARE AND HOPE!

I wrote this poem in hope that these words and these tragedies can change us.

Smeared mascara.

Pale cold faces,

tired and pained,

dead of ay emotion.

Depressed with life.

Only sadness and sorrow.

Too much life

Too much death.

The attacks, murders and abuse.

Makes me hurt.

Makes me confused.

Just wanting to sleep,

to make up a world.

No violence on the sreets.

BUt ten I wake up.

Reality waits for you.

HOpe disenagrates in front of you.

Laying on bed.

Tired and sorry.

Sad you woke up,

Your face cold and pale.

Insecurity fills the room.

tears fill your eyes.

what reality is,

Smeared Mascara

Love everyone, thats the only way anything cna get fixed.
Goddess bless all.


My Family In The Craft:i Am Shocked That Our Country Has... Sep 13th. at 12:04:30 am UTC

April Rich aka Morrigan Kali RavenFire (Sylacauga, Alabama US) Age: 20 - Email


My Family in the Craft:

I am shocked that our country has been attacked such as it has. I am afraid for my family and even for those who I do not know. It saddens me to see such acts of hate in the world.

I have never been a patriotic woman. But, I flew my American Flag yesterday and today. It flies in memorial of all those who have lost loved ones due to such a horrible act. I

I will cast a shield spell over our country during the Dark Moon. I have also lit a candle and sent energy to those who need it. I hope everyone else will do the same.

Give blood. It is a great way to help those in need of it. I hate doing it, but it is needed.

Blessed Be,
April Rich aka Morrigan Kali RavenFire
Sylacauga, Alabama


I Feel An Abiding Sense Of Dread That This Sort Of Thing... Sep 12th. at 11:56:12 pm UTC

Moon Lynx (Toronto, Ontario CA) Age: 38


I feel an abiding sense of dread that this sort of thing could actually happen. I am certainly not alone in this feeling. Any people I have spoken with yesterday and today have expressed feelings of sorrow. But you don't even have to speak to people to know how they're feeling, because it is in the atmosphere. It is true that some very evil people have done this, but please remember that people have also come out in droves to help out. The glory and horror of people, who can sink to the depths or soar to the heights. We are all of us people.

The Lord and Lady be with you all...


To My Brother And Sisters Of The Craft:yesterdays Events Are So... Sep 12th. at 11:39:31 pm UTC

Bruce (Monterey, California US) Age: 55


To my brother and sisters of the Craft:
Yesterdays events are so terrible that no words can describe them. We have most likey lost 10, 000 + of our fellow citizens in the blink of an eye. As a VietNam vetern I seen death and destruction on a large scale BUT NEVER anything this horrific and immense in such a short moment. It's mind boggeling!!! My heart is devastated. We as a people are under attack by crazed, religious, fundamentalists that have absolutely NO REGUARD for life of any kind. They kill there own people, men woman and children with relish. They wish to impose there perverted will upon us because of what and who we are. We are in peril of loosing some of our freedoms already. Our Goddess gives us the right of self defense in what EVER manner it takes. I know I will be blasted for this but its time for vengence as a means of defense of our civilized peoples that were slaughtered in the sky and ground. We KNOW who these groups are and WHO harbors them. It time to root them out where every they may be and wipe them out to the last person. It's time to protect all peace loving people of the world.


I'm Sitting In Front Of My Computer As I Usually Am Everynight... Sep 12th. at 11:20:01 pm UTC

marie (richmond, Virginia US) Age: 19 - Email


I'm sitting in front of my computer as I usually am everynight, usually doing homework or maybe looking around on the internet looking for something to do. Today its different. I find myslef sifting through sites listing the names of survivors trying to locate friends of my family who have not been accounted for.For a brief moment I thought I had lost a very close uncle and other members of my family. Thankfully I didnt and I only wish that everyone could have beena s lucky. I dont understand how something like this can happen here, in our country. It doesnt make any sense to me. One day we are going about our lives thinking we are totally safe because we are in america and the nest day wonder when the next jet is going to drop out of the sky or when our president is going to declare war. I was so young when we were involved in Desert Storm that I dont really recall what the feeling was like but I think it was no where near what the feeling is like today. It is so scary to think that things could get a lot worse adn if they keep going to way they have been, they just might. I wish I could go to sleep and wake up and think that this is all just a dream, that it never really happened. How cna two buildings, two beautiful strong buildings that are a symbol of a great city be destroyed in less than a few moments. How can there be thousands of people dead on a very small little place. For those who have never been to New York or who may have never been to the world trade center complex, the surrounding area is absolutly beautiful but it is a small area. It is so scary to think that there are thousands of lost souls there. It is truely one of the scariest things I have ever had to see. For all those who have lived through war and have seen things, It must be agony to know that they may have to live through something like this again. A little closer to my home, the pentagon was attacked in teh same manner and for the first time, I am absolutly frghtened to live between Washington DC and Norfolk, the location of one of the biggest military bases in the world. No where is safe anymore. I am so scared. If anyone wishes to contact me, feel free. Blessed be......


When I Came Home From Work Last Night, I Watched The Television... Sep 12th. at 11:07:52 pm UTC

Crylla (Chino Valley, Arizona US) Age: 49


When I came home from work last night, I watched the television reports in shock, feeling helpless, yet moved to focus my energies on healing this terrible gash in my country's heart. My Muse guided me to write the following and I want to share it with you:

REMEMBER.
Words cannot reverse the clock to before this day began.

Words cannot return those lives that lay buried underneath tons of twisted metal and stone that once was lower Manhattan.

Words cannot remain unspoken, empty as they feel coming from my mouth, but,

Words are all I have to comfort those who grieve.

Words are all I have to give to those who have survived.

Words are all I have to say how deeply, deeply I share the pain and shock and hope, yes hope, that the citizens in this great country WILL NOT be crushed by this senseless series of terrorist attacks.

Remember this day. Remember September 11th. Remember 9-1-1 2-0-0-1

May the Light of the Great Spirit guide us through this gloomy time.


As I Take A Moment To Collect My Thoughts, And Try To... Sep 12th. at 11:02:40 pm UTC

Noel "Belakane" Collins (Fayetteville , North Carolina US) Age: 21 - Email


As I take a moment to collect my thoughts, and try to shake the sleepiness from my head, I hear my phone ringing off the hook.....terrorists have hit the United States. Immediately, a tremendous sadness wells up in my soul, followed by a hint of fear...terrorists? Here? As I turn on my TV, I am jolted awake by the pictures and videos of the Trade Center and Pentagon in flames...and my heart aches for answers.

I step outside to retrieve my newspaper and my attention is drawn to the holly tree growing just below our front steps. As I take a moment to hug this tree spirit whom I have recently become aquainted with, the tears begin to flow...I feel the earth below me crying, the pain and anguish flows through me like lightning, and though I know that my canine companion cannot understand a news broadcast, I can see it in his face, he knows....

2 days now I have spent hiding my sorrow behind a mask of bravery, unable to restrain my tears when I am by myself. Though I do not personally know anyone in the areas attacked, my heart goes out to all of the friends and families of these people, and I am doing my part to help. I have signed up to donate blood, and though my mate faints at the site of blood, I am dragging him along as well. I am also donating clothing, shoes, and blankets to my local red cross.

*****NOTE***** Also, since there are so few Pagans in the Fayetteville area, I
am hoping that we can all come together to help each other in this tragedy, my home is open, should any of the pagans in my neighborhood need someone to talk to. My email edajk@yahoo.com

In closing, I pray that the god/goddess help us in our time of need, not only for us to heal, but also for us to come together and help each other. Love, light, and deepest blessings to all.....--Belakane


Fear Will Not Prevail!it Only Takes A Small Amount Of Those... Sep 12th. at 11:00:44 pm UTC

Jane (Baton Rouge, Louisiana US) Age: 35 - Email


Fear will not prevail!
It only takes a small amount of those willing to begin building up instead of tearing down.
It's easier to destroy, to tear down, to condemn. It takes knowing who YOU are as a person, the energies you can send through your thoughts, your actions, your words! We are a nation in mourning, we have to go through each emotional step to work towards a positive future.
Fear will not prevail!
These feelings, these raw emotions must be acknowledged for what they are, dealt with for what they are (in the time it takes for each one) and then channel that energy, that force for the good of all. Not just in our country, our world!
Fear will not prevail!

I, too, am working on my mixed EMOTIONS
I, too, am hurting in my HEART, my MIND, my SOUL, my SPIRIT
I, too, am concerned for all, their SAFETY and demand JUSTICE
I, too, am in RAGE and know it's necessary to channel that energy for GOOD
I, too, am sending HEALING and HELPFUL energies
I, too, am praying for PEACE, also knowing the possibility of WAR

Fear will not prevail!

These are just my thoughts, and as all people, we are ENTITLED to them. I ask my fellow sisters and brothers to respect each one of us, knowing that this small step of expressing ourselves is one of the important steps towards moving ahead, healing...walking forward to a POSITIVE, BRIGHTER future! There is nothing to be feared from the darkness, you aren't EVER alone....EVER!! Your FAMILY is larger than you can possibly comprehend, draw upon the strength of this family, REST when you need it, you will always be comforted, ONLY if you allow that comfort into your life. WORK past the rage, the anger, the hate and REMEMBER you ARE LOVED! My heart goes out to the families of the victims, the survivors, to all who are affected by what happened on September 11, 2001.


Friends,pass This Along As Far And Wide As You Can.let... Sep 12th. at 10:57:31 pm UTC

angeleno (The Road) Age: 54 - Email


Friends,

Pass this along as far and wide as you can.

Let every American Witch who can cast a shield spell around North America at Dark Moon.

And for those of you with warrior blood, at Diana's bow let us strike our enemies in whatever way amenable to you.

Witches exist to protect and serve their people. Let's get busy.

Angeleno


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