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Question of the Week: 14 - 11/6/2000

The Unresolved US Election

Did YOU vote? Which candidate did you vote for? How do you feel about the political wrangling going on right now in Florida? Will/Should either candidate concede for the good of the country-or should either/both fight it out until we all scream for mercy? How do you think either candidate, if declared the winner, will be able to bring the country together given the inference that the election results now point to an America that is almost equally divided into one camp or the other? And the BIG question-What, if any, impact will the final results have on the Pagan communities?

 Reponses:   There are 263 responses posted to this question. Reverse Sort 


I Hit The Polls As Soon As They Opened (6:00 A.m... Nov 13th. at 8:05:38 am UTC

WyndeHawke (Northern VA, Virginia US) Age: 30


I hit the polls as soon as they opened (6:00 a.m.) and voted for Gore, even though I knew he couldn't possibly win in Virginia. As for the wildly entertaining circus in Florida, I don't think either candidate should concede until all the votes are in, no matter what the other side thinks they should do. I agree with an earlier post about the country coming together - only some kid stuck in a well (or something of the same nature) will be able to do that. No matter who wins, a bunch of people will be unhappy. I really don't think there will be a major impact on the Pagan community - regardless of who wins - mainly because we will not be silent if we feel our rights are being impinged upon.

My mother brought up an interesting point when I was talking to her last night - if the Florida situation were to occur in any other country than this one, there wouldn't be protesters demanding a re-vote, there would be out-and-out rioting in the streets, possibly to the extent that the military would have to be called out to take control. Thank the Goddess we live in a democracy.


Here's The Frustrating Thing... They Can't Do Anything Till The 18th When... Nov 13th. at 7:12:26 am UTC

Wolf MistWeaver (Centreville, Maryland US) Age: 40 - Email


Here's the frustrating thing... they can't do ANYTHING till the 18th when the absentee ballots are all due in. It's moot fussing about how many recounts we have till then. Let them keep counting if it makes them happy!

Yes, I voted for Al Gore. I think the republicans would be making an equal fuss if the vote had been this close in the democrats favor. No, nobody should concede till all the votes are in. A revote is not fair in that several states had a lot of problems. Here in MD, if you used the DMV to register to vote and moved, you were dropped from the election rolls and not told so thousands of MD residents went to the polls only to discover that they could not vote. Whatever votes are in by the 18th, those are the votes we should go with no matter who gets it.

As for the electoral college... yes, some states are less populated than others but hey, guess what? They STILL only really visit states with high electoral college numbers which are... guess what? The more densly populated states. We need to go to the popular vote. More voices are heard that way.

Sorry Canadians... you can't possibly be more sick of hearing about it than we are tho! LOL


I Voted Libertarian This Year - I Couldn't Bring Myself To Vote For... Nov 13th. at 2:41:48 am UTC

Shae O'Herne (Apache Junction, Arizona US) Age: 42 - Email


I voted Libertarian this year - I couldn't bring myself to vote for Gore, because I had big problems with Tipper in the 80's. When I was working with metal and punk bands she was busy trying to censor them. I couldn't go with Bush - his views on choice and his obvious ignorance about what constitutes a religion (i.e, "Witchcraft is not a religion...") were enough to keep me away from there. I toyed with voting for Nader, but there's something wierd I sense about him - can't say what it is. So, I was left with the Libertarians. Pro-Choice on everything....

My feelings about the final analysis are that whatever happens, America will continue to function. I'm not so sure that the final result of THIS election will impact Pagan communities. However, I think that the winds of change are blowin' and our political system may be headed for some kind of change over the next four years. What, who knows for sure? Let's hope it's positive...


I Find It Both Sad And Amusing That While We Canadians Are... Nov 13th. at 12:38:43 am UTC

Runa Lindi (Fort Erie, Ontario CA) Age: 46 - Email


I find it both sad and amusing that while we Canadians are in the midst of preparing to choose which party will run our country for the next few years, our media seem more interested in what is happening to the American presidential election. Unlike your two-party system, we are about to decide between a man who has on at least one occasion stated publicly that witchcraft should be outlawed once and for all in Canada, the man who has taxed us to death for the last few years, the man who can't keep anyone awake when he's around, and the woman who really cares but whose party has no credibility.
The one thing that has come out of the recent election is that a large voter turnout had an effect and that an even larger turnout might have made this whole situation quite different. I can only hope that Canadians will have learned a lesson and get out to exercise their right as members of a democratic country.


This Was My First Experience Voting. Being Young And Not Jaded By... Nov 12th. at 11:35:15 pm UTC

SylverHawke (Worcester, New York US) Age: 18 - Email


This was my first experience voting. Being young and not jaded by a "failing" system, I voted for Ralph Nader. Since I live in a traditionally democratic state, it was safe. I knew Al Gore would get the electoral college votes here. If I lived in a "undecided" state, I would have voted for Gore. I am disturbed by the process so far. It seems to be in total chaos with very angry people on both sides. Although the recounted seemed to further confuse and delay the process, I think it is time for the democrats to suck it up and accept defeat. I am not a Bush supporter by any means. Although he probably won't directly effect Pagans (unless he plans on following through with banning ceremonies in the military), he will indirectly effect Pagans and other non-Christians. Allowing the Ten Commandments and school prayer in school makes a lot of people uncomfortable. If you allow on set of religious guidelines in school, where will the line be for others? Although I am disturbed, I am happy that my first time voting was such an exciting thing to watch play out, and it can only get more exciting from here on in.


Electoral College Responce. In Regards To The Electoral College, I Truly Believe... Nov 12th. at 11:16:29 pm UTC

anon (Orange County, California US) Age: 25


Electoral College Responce. In regards to the electoral college, i truly believe the system our founding fathers set up is working well. You have to understand that there are alot of states out there that are not as heavily populated as others. For example Texas has many more people than Idaho. If we did away with the electoral system that would make for a very unfair election. You would have the candidates only visiting the HIGHLY populated states and none of the little guys. And why not? Because the little states would not matter, those people would not matter, only the popular states. And thats not fair to each and every american at all.


Most People That I Have Spoken To In This Country Have Made... Nov 12th. at 9:28:19 pm UTC

Draconius (Aylesbury, UK, England UK) Age: 26 - Email


Most people that I have spoken to in this country have made the comment "only in America" and all in all that is the way it is viewed over here. It makes a complete farce of democracy and doesn't paint a very good picture of either the Electoral College or protocols of voting and should never have been allowed to happen.

But now that it has, I reckon the simplest thing would be to have a re-vote in Florida (although this may not be the most practicable answer), or for the US to have a 'hung parliament'. I'm only saying that last bit because that's the way it would work in Britain if a government were to get in with such a small majority.

It is also getting a teensy bit monotonous for us not US citizens to turn up at another website and see nothing but the election being discussed, but that's just my personal stuff!


Personally I Don't Like Either One. Gore Lies And Bush Is Way... Nov 12th. at 8:03:50 pm UTC

NeoWayland (Flagstaff, Arizona US) Age: 35


Personally I don't like either one. Gore lies and Bush is way to close to the fundamentalist Christians in my opinion.

At least with Bush you know where you stand. With Gore it will change.

But there are some good things that may come out of this. This may do away with the Electorial College. Because of the way Nader was snubbed at that one debate, the process may become more open to third party canidates.

Things are changing, just not as fast as we would like. Did you know there are more registered independents then Republicans or Democrats?


Info About Gore.... Here Is A Website Claiming Gore Sought Support From... Nov 12th. at 8:03:30 pm UTC

tim (daytona, Florida US) Age: 33


Info about gore....

Here is a website claiming Gore sought support from hate mongers.

Read it yourself

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200010/POL20001016c.html


As A Pagan, How Could I Have Voted For Anyone But Gore... Nov 12th. at 7:57:21 pm UTC

Thor Quabbin (Melrose, Massachusetts US) Age: 38 - Email


As a Pagan, how could I have voted for anyone but Gore? The only other remote possiblity would have been Nader, but why risk helping Bush in any way. As for the circus going on in Florida, I find it absolutely amazing. How lucky we are to live through one of the most exciting times in U.S. political history! It is maddening, and yes, we will probably be screaming for mercy by the time its finally over, but in the not too distant future we will be looking back and saying "My vote DOES count!". And as for "bringing the country together", lets be real. This country can rarely "come together" for anything unless its a kid stuck in a well. Besides, no matter who wins, in four years Hillary will probably beat either one of them!


I Voted For Nader. Living In Texas, Voting For Gore Wasn't Going... Nov 12th. at 7:51:50 pm UTC

Aoife Moon (Dallas, Texas US) Age: 20


I voted for Nader. Living in Texas, voting for Gore wasn't going to do much, and so I wanted to use my vote to support a 3rd party (I'm not a fan of the 2-party-winner-takes-all system taht we currently have), even though I don't agree with everything Nader says. However, I've had a bunch of loud, drawn out debates with my parents, who are ardent Bush supporters. I'm also in the doghouse over removing the damn sign from our front yard. it's one of those huge ones - 3' x 5'. Mom says she's furious that Gore is such a 'bad sport' and wants a recount - which is perfectly legal by law. And no, Bush isn't one for doing the same thing in other states.

*grumble* Parents.


I Did Not Vote, Due To The Fact That, Y'know, I'm Too... Nov 12th. at 7:43:07 pm UTC

Anika (Harrisburg, Pennsylvania US) Age: 14


I did not vote, due to the fact that, y'know, I'm too young. But, I think, first of all, the media is blowing this WAY out of proportion, and its getting really old really fast(and it only happened a few days ago!!) And I supported Gore, because we were discussing the election in history class, and if Bush wins, it will be one of the first times that the house, senate, and presidency have been controlled by the republicans. Plus, four of the nine Supreme Court members are getting way up there in age, and have been ill. If they die or resign, and Bush gets to appoint new members, he would have influence over almost the whole shebang going on in Washington! I'm concerned, (knowing Bush's views on wiccans, witches, and pagans in general) that they could start actually passing acts that put prayer into public schools and such. For now, though, I guess, I will have to sit back, endure the hype, and hope that the candidate who will be kind to the pagan community wins.


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