Your browser does not support script

Pagan Perspectives

Weekly Question

Question of the Week: 113

Pagan Problem Children: What Can We Do About Them?

Views: [32,767]
Responses: [2,666]

The Rules
Note: The opinions posted on the Pagan Perspective pages are those of individuals and are not neccessarily shared or endorsed by the Witches' Voice inc.

For Further
Visit The

WitchVox List
of 242
'Net Sites:

Chat Boards
Email Lists
IRC Channels

Past Questions
112. Elders: Who Are They and Do We Really Need Them? - [74]

111. So, You’re Dead. Now What? - [59]

110. What’s Your Favorite Element? - [119]

109. The Broom Closet Revisited: What’s Your Current Occupancy Rate? - [129]

108. Do You Speak Pagan Geek? - [38]

107. Would You Be A Good ‘Reality Show’ Contestant? - [49]

106. What Is Your Inner Animal? - [127]

105. Are Pagans TOO Individualistic? - [56]

104. Have You Changed Your Mind About the War in Iraq? - [258]

103. What Are You Reading? - [95]

102. Do Interfaith Conferences/ Discussions Work? - [29]

101. Have You Made Any Extra Security Preparations? - [85]

100. Why Are You A Pagan or Heathen? - [142]

99. What Moon Phase Are You In? - [70]

98. Would You Live In A Haunted House? - [166]

97. What Natural Objects Are On Your Altar? - [103]

96. If You Were Granted Three Wishes... - [179]

95. How Do You Feel About War? - [153]

94. Who Would Make Your Pagan/Heathen Who’s Who List? - [91]

93. Should Pagans Apply For Federal Funds? - [56]

92. What Do You See in 2003? - [47]

90. Which Christmas Ghost Would You Like To Be? - [82]

89. Bah-Humbug! Are You Offended by Christmas? - [173]

88. Are We Alone in The Universe? - [67]

87. The Pagan Web 2002... Your likes? Dislikes? - [50]

86. How’s Your Gratitude Attitude? - [64]

85. What’s Your Motivation? - [97]

84. Between the Veils: What Did You See? - [80]

83. Time to Talk Politics and Elections… - [109]

82. Your Samhain/Beltaine Musings - [50]

81. ExCUSE Me! Has Common Courtesy Become A Thing of the Past? - [97]

80. Polytheist, Monotheist, Dualist or Other? - [104]

79. Have You Switched Pagan Paths? - [110]

78. Would You Take Part in a Public Event or Protest AS a Pagan? - [268]

77. Pot-Kettle: Do We Have Our Own Fundamentalists? - [91]

76. America 911: One Year Later. What's Changed? Are we Safer? - [103]

75. So What Do YOU Think of the Pagan Web? - [43]

74. What is/was your 2002 New Year's resolution - [23]

73. Do You Believe in Faeries? - [44]

72. Is 'Peace on Earth and Good Will Toward Men' Possible? - [28]

71. How Do YOU View the Balance of Light and Dark? - [22]

70. What's News? - [22]

69. What Are Your Favorite Yule Traditions or Memories? - [17]

68. Are You Wild About Harry? - [80]

67. What Is Music? - [18]

66. What Did You Do this Samhain? - [8]

65. What ARE the most "Frequently Asked Questions' About Witches? - [31]

64. What Are YOUR book/video/dvd Recommendations? - [119]

63. Have You Done Any Protection Spells or Workings? - [38]

62. What Are Your Thoughts On The Current "War on Terrorism"? - [77]

61. Are You Willing To Give Up Some Civil Liberties To Be Safe? - [69]

60. What About Those Pagan Leaders Again? - [289]

59. 911 America: Talking Through The Terror... - [969]

58. What Are Your Plans For Fall? - [21]

57. If You Were Stranded Alone On A Deserted Island... - [56]

56. What Would You Like to See at The Voice? - [65]

55. What Lies Beyond? - [28]

54. What is the connection between Spirit, Nature and Humankind? - [18]

53. What is 'Will' or 'Willpower'? - [19]

52. Have you ever been to a Pagan Festival? - [26]

51. What Did You Think of 'The Mists of Avalon"? - [44]

50. What's Your Magickal Focus? - [33]

49. Ending Religious Discrimination-What's It Gonna Take? - [41]

48. How Fares The First Amendment? - [20]

47. Are you a Talker or a Listener? - [14]

46. Predator and Prey - What Beasts Live Within You? - [44]

45. Who Do You Trust? - [22]

44. Do You Spend Money with Pagan Merchants? - [24]

43. What's On Your Balloon? - [52]

42. Is There An Energy Crisis? - [30]

41. What Makes You So Special? - [33]

40. What is Your Guilty Little Secret? - [101]

39. Who Are Your Gods? - [55]

38. What Are The Greatest Challenges That Pagans Face Today? - [35]

37. What's On Your Altar? - [45]

36. Should the United States Apologize to China - [32]

35. Pagan Web Surfing Likes/Dislike - [60]

34. What Are Your Views on Abortion, Euthanasia and Suicide? - [95]

33. What Is The Appropriate Response to Bigotry and Religious Hatred? - [108]

32. Why Are Kids Killing Kids? - [60]

31. Whassa Matter With Kids Today? - [71]

30. What Do You Support and Why Do You Support It? - [21]

29. How About Some New Holidays? - [39]

28. Where Did You Get Your Magickal Name? - [93]

27. Where Are The Pagan Social Programs? Do We Care? - [22]

26. What Do You Think About Bush's 'Faith-Based' Initiative Plan? - [87]

25. What Are The Boundaries? - [26]

24. What is Pagan History and What is Pagan Belief? - [44]

23. Who or What is a "Pagan Leader"? - [61]

22. What More Do You Want To Know About Paganism? - [45]

21. What is/was your New Year's resolution? - [19]

19. What do YOU of our newest entry into the Presidential Political Pool? - [61]

20. What have YOU done to trace your family history? - [11]

18. Your Gift, Craft and Holiday Celebration Ideas! - [43]

17. Does Older Equal Better? - [199]

16. What is the best gift that you ever received? - [28]

15. What are YOU Thankful For? - [87]

14. The Unresolved US Election - [263]

13. Divination - [29]

12. Pagan Choice for the y2k US Election - [129]

11. Hollywood Hype - [74]

10. Money and the Craft - [82]

9. Pagan Jokes and Humorous Stories - [37]

8. Misconceptions About Witches, Wiccans and Pagans - [63]

7. The Ethics of Magick and Spellwork - [43]

6. What are YOU planning for Mabon-Autumn Equinox? - [14]

5. Pagan books/web sites-dynamic or drivel? - [46]

4. The Broomcloset-In or Out?... What's YOUR View? - [181]

3. Church and State, Religion in School... What is YOUR View? - [122]

2. How Do You Define Witch/WitchCraft? - [42]

1. Who are you going to vote for and why? - [233]

 Author:    Posted: Nov. 17, 2002   This Page Viewed: 16,245,960  

Vox Q Stats

Times Viewed: 32,767

Reponses: 969

Lurker/Post Ratio: 33 to 1

Question of the Week: 59 - 9/11/2001

911 America: Talking Through The Terror...

Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.

What are your thoughts on these incidents? How are you feeling? Feel free to post any magickal workings or other support gatherings planned in your area.

WebNote 9/16/2001: Since we launched this on 911 this forum as become laced with powerful inspiration and critical information, feel free to use the search functions on your left to better define the info you are looking for. Search for your area, famous Pagans, key words etc. Also check Wren's Nest News for the latest news related to our community.

 Reponses:   There are 969 responses posted to this question. Reverse Sort 

Dear Everyone, I'm Sorry And Saddened To See This Happen In Our... Sep 12th. at 6:59:46 pm EDT

Lisa Carroll (Tampa, Florida US) Age: 34 - Email

Dear everyone,

I'm sorry and saddened to see this happen in our country..especially for the families with loved ones in that awful mess.

I know who's going to be sorrier though...once we find them. This type of behavior can not be tolerated any longer, by us or any other country. The world is just too small for it.

Lady and Lord protect us and comfort us all.

I'm going to be talking to the Morrigan.


We Were Eye Witnesses, And I Sadly Had Woken At 5am To... Sep 12th. at 6:49:18 pm EDT

jd michaels (new york, New York US) Age: 34

we were eye witnesses, and i sadly had woken at 5am to look at the towers after a dream that they were on fire. the next time i saw them, they were. we prayed in every way for the victims, and have a candle burning in the window that the towers used to be in. please light as many candles as you can...we saw the buildings come down, and whoever was left there needs light after all the dust. thank you. blessed be.

I'm Trying To Get Together Pagans In My Area And The Cities... Sep 12th. at 6:48:11 pm EDT

Harlequin (Peoria, Arizona US) Age: 19 - Email

I'm trying to get together Pagans in my area and the cities around it (Peoria, Glendale, Phoenix ext.) to come together for a bake sale. All the money made from the bake sale will go to the people most affected by the terrorist attacks on Tuesday. Please e-mail me for more information.

-Harle- (

With The Recent Tragedies I Decided To Set About Doing Something Productive... Sep 12th. at 6:47:21 pm EDT

Myst Lyrica (Phoniex, Arizona US) Age: 27 - Email

With the recent tragedies I decided to set about doing something productive.
In an attempt to create a network and support group for those lives that have been touched by this directly or indirectly - I created We Want a World.

The Site is dedicated to helping those of us seeking peacful soulutions to the hatred that seems to have taken a hold of our planet. Please come and take a look you can find it at:

One Of The Worst Effects Of An Incident Like This, Aside From... Sep 12th. at 6:47:16 pm EDT

Denise (Sayville, New York US) Age: 28 - Email

One of the worst effects of an incident like this, aside from the horrendous loss of life, is the reaction following the immediate horror and desperate grief. As a witch, I am a firm believer in the Rede and practice it everyday. I don't even kill insects inside my own home! I capture them in a glass and put them outside! But an event like this makes me so angry that it is extremely difficult to stick to that belief. I HATE what happened, I HATE the men who perpetrated this horrific act, and I HATE the way what they did has made me feel. I want vengeance so badly I can taste it! I want them all to pay and pay dearly! How do I reconcile what I am feeling right now with my own spiritual belief system?! Mohandes Gandhi said that in order to defeat our enemies we must love them.......but how can we love an enemy that could perform such a completly heinous act?! I always believed in Gandhi's nonviolent principles, but how can I apply them here? I don't think I am capable of "loving" mass murderers of innocent men, women and children who do it in the cause of gaining entry into their warped view of "heaven." Men like that will NEVER see any kind of heaven. I know it sounds trite, but why can't we all just live and let live? Why can't we all just get along? Why is that so difficult? Is it really easier to hate that it is to love? I never thought so. I am so proud of the response shown by every American in this time of crisis. So many people donating their time, their blood, and their money to aid all of the victims of this terrible tragedy. I am proud to be an American Witch, and nothing that any terrorist or any rogue state could do would ever shake my belief in this great country and its promise of freedom for all who live in it. Thank you to those at WitchVox for allowing me the space to vent my feelings about the horror that has so recently occurred. It is greatly appreciated.

As We Listen To And Watch These Reports Of The Mounting Death... Sep 12th. at 6:45:25 pm EDT

Tezra (Cupertino, California US) Age: 54

As we listen to and watch these reports of the mounting death toll,
let us gather in love to visualize peace, and have faith that the
perpetrators will be found and brought to justice without starting
World War III.

May the Goddess and the God be with us all, and guide us with Their

Merry Meet All...i Am Sending Out My Deepest Condolences To The... Sep 12th. at 6:43:38 pm EDT

AzureMyst (New Brunswick, New Jersey US) Age: 20 - Email

Merry Meet all...
I am sending out my deepest condolences to the families and friends of those who were lost yesterday in the horrible attack on our country. I send my prayers for the safety of the rescue workers and the survivors of this disaster. I am deeply saddened by this, and wondering how people can be so ignorant and self-serving. Even as I watch the news, I am frightened by the actions of other countries upon us, and what our retaliation will be. I am fightened by the continued ignorance of my friends, and the ideas that they still hold, as if the entire middle east is to blame. I try to stop them from assuming, try to get them to be compassionate, and try to get them to see that THIS is exactly why things like this keep happening. What the world needs is love and understanding, or peace will forever elude our grasp. I do think that the parties responsible should be brought to justice, but generating hate towards anyone who might be a supporter of this act or even seemingly one, does not help. All it does is generate mob mentality, and create an even more dangerous situation. I pray for everyone involved here, victims, perpetrators, and those who will be falsely accused for simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time. To all, I say Blessed be, and may the Goddess watch over you always.

I Have Read Several Posts Here Condemning Our President And Saying If... Sep 12th. at 6:35:11 pm EDT

Anfa (Ridgeland, Mississippi US) Age: 22 - Email

I have read several posts here condemning our President and saying if he declares war it will be WW 3, and i can understand the concern but we have not declared war.
The only context the word "war" has been used in is that this was "an act of war, " and not on our part but on the part of those terrorists who killed thousands of INNOCENTS!
Everyone is too quick to jump on the idea that war is a forgone conclusion, please sisters and brothers have faith in our elected officials. Have faith that they will try to prevent this worst case scenario if possible. War is not a situation that any nation goes into lightly and ours will be no different.

But ponder this if you will, Some (and i stress only some) Muslims have already declared Jihad on our nation, so if it comes down to war it will not be the fault of U.S. officials, that declaration has already been issued.

Once again I pray the Goddess embraces all of Her children touched by the awful events of 9-11-01.

I Read This Famous Poem To My Literature Students This Morning. I... Sep 12th. at 6:35:10 pm EDT

Dion-Isis (Redondo Beach, California US) Age: 45 - Email

I read this famous poem to my literature students this morning. I think it says all that can be said about the human condition.

Dover Beach

The sea is calm tonight.
The tide is full, the moon lies fair
Upon the straits;--on the French coast the light
Gleams and is gone; the cliffs of England stand,
Glimmering and vast, out in the tranquil bay.
Come to the window, sweet is the night-air!
Only, from the long line of spray
Where the sea meets the moon-blanched land,
Listen! You hear the grating roar
Of pebbles which the waves draw back, and fling,
At their return, up the high strand,
Begin, and cease, and then again begin,
With tremulous cadence slow, and bring
The eternal note of sadness in.

Sophocles long ago
Heard it on the Aegean, and it brought
Into his mind the turbid ebb and flow
Of human misery; we
Find also in the sound a thought,
Hearing it by this distant northern sea.

The Sea of Faith
Was once, too, at the full, and round earth's shore
Lay like the folds of a bright girdle furled.
But now I only hear
Its melancholy, long, withdrawing roar,
Retreating, to the breath
Of the night-wind, down the vast edges drear
And naked shingles of the world.

Ah, love, let us be true
To one another! for the world, which seems
To lie before us like a land of dreams,
So various, so beautiful, so new,
Hath really neither joy, nor love, nor light,
Nor certitude, nor peace, nor help for pain,
And we are here as on a darkling plain
Swept with confused alarms of struggle and flight,
Where ignorant armies clash by night.

--Matthew Arnold

I usually sign my messages with "em hotep, " which means "in peace, " but I think now that I shall have to sign with this:

No justice, No peace,

Crow Has Been Calling Frantically At Me For Two Days Now! She... Sep 12th. at 6:30:24 pm EDT

Watches Crow (Edwardsville, Illinois US) Age: 51 - Email

Crow has been calling frantically at me for two days now! She is urgent in her calls, demanding that I hear her warning;her calls nearly became screams yesterday! I came inside from sending my son off on the school bus, sat down to finish my coffee and there, Live on T.V., I witnessed the second 727 Jet hit the second of the twin towers in NYC. Numbly, I sat down my cup unsure that I had seen the crash. Surely it couldn't be real and it couldn't happen to us, on American soil! Crow was wrong I thought...I could hear her outside calling loudly. And then I heard that the Pentagon had been attacked. Suddenly, I flashed on the news casts of Vietnam deaths. The lists of the dead soldiers names replayed in my mind as though in front of my eyes. I remembered my fiance. The government had to ship him home in a glass lidded coffin, sealed to protect all who viewed him from any diseases that might have hitchhiked from Vietnam on his body or his clothes. He was nineteen years old and had been a Medic. And his hair was snow white! And I couldn't even touch his sleeve! I begged Creator then to spare us from another war in my lifetime...hoping that my son or your children would never see what war would do. I have to believe that out of this horrible and cruel deed some lesson will be learned by the Governing Powers so that our children won't have to go to bed and be afraid to go to sleep as my son was last I was last night and as many were last night. Today I heard that in Afghanistan people were fighting to get out of their country for fear of our retaliation. And I wondered how many mothers were anxiously clutching babies closely to them and praying for their safety. I know at last that Crow is right...the world has gone crazy and all that we can do is Pray!

Creator, in your wisdom I ask that you watch over Humanity and that you intervene for the sake of the children. I ask that you prevent us from destroying one another and that you help us to remember our past mistakes that have cost us so many lives and not taught us any lessons. Creator, bless and watch over the four-legged, the two-legged, the winged and the creepy-crawlie and help us not to destroy that, which you have given us, in trust. Bless and watch over Brother Sky, Mother Earth, Sister Moon, the Four Winds that blow, The Waters that flow, The Stars in the Sky and the Ancients who fly them. Be our Guide, Creator, in your wisdom. May the Light be bright around us and ours.
Hai yey!

Blessed Be, Watches Crow.

It Is Really Such A Terrible Tragedy That So Many Lives Have... Sep 12th. at 6:22:05 pm EDT

Diane Brooks (Palatka, Florida US) Age: 43 - Email

It is really such a terrible tragedy that so many lives have been lost, and that their families must endure this enormous loss. It is our hope that these terroists are brought to justice as soon as humanly possible... altho even then it will not bring back those who lost their lives due to their acts.
We pray for the families, and ask the Goddesses and Gods to comfort the families and friends of those who are no longer here.
A Memorial page will soon be on my site ( this tragedy.

I Am Still Horrified By All The Accounts Of The Tragedy In... Sep 12th. at 6:17:15 pm EDT

Mistress Morrigan the Raven (Statesville, North Carolina US) Age: 29 - Email

I am still horrified by all the accounts of the tragedy in NY, DC and Pittsburgh. So far I have been lucky, there have been no reports of losses within my circle. I know that others have not been as lucky, by thoughts and petitions to the Goddess are with you and a candle is lit. I think it is proper to focus on the rescue attempts and on protection. So many opinions have flown...revenge...hatred...anger...pain...sadness...loss...all these are appropriate. But keep to the Law of the Wicca:

Bide ye Wiccan laws ye must,
in perfect love and perfect trust
Live ye must and let to live,
fairly take and fairly give...
Soft of eye and light of touch,
speak ye little, listen much...
Mind the threefold law ye should,
three times bad and three times good...
These eight words the Wiccan Rede fulfill,
An Ye Harm None, Do What Ye Will.

Trust in the Mother to guide us...and send your love, healing, comfort, and protection to those in need.

Mistress Morrigan the Raven

 1    2    3    4    5    6    7    8    9    10    11    12    13    14    15    16    17    18    19    20    21    22    23    24    25    26    27    28    29    30    31    32    33    34    35    36    37    38    39    40    41    42    43    44    45    46    47    48    49    50    51    52    53    54    55    56    57    58    59    60    61    62    63    64    65    66    67    68    69    70    71    72    73    74    75    76    77    78    79    80    81  

Pagan Essays

Pagan Web
8,000 Links

Pagan Groups
Local Covens etc.

80,000 Profiles

Home - TWV Logos - Email US - Privacy
News and Information

Chapters: Pagan/Heathen Basics - Pagan BOOKS - Traditions, Paths & Religions - Popular Pagan Holidays - TV & Movies - Cats of the Craft - Festival Reviews - Festival Tips - White Pages (Resources) - Issues/Concerns - West Memphis 3 - Witch Hunts - Pagan Protection Tips - Healing Planet Earth

Your Voices: Adult Essays - Young Pagan Essays - Pagan Perspectives (On Hold) - WitchWars: Fire in the Craft - Gay Pagan - Pagan Parenting - Military - Pagan Passages

Pagan Music: Pagan Musicians - Bardic Circle at WitchVox - Free Music from TWV

Vox Central: About TWV - Wren: Words, Wrants and Wramblings - Guest Rants - Past Surveys - A Quest for Unity

Weekly Updates: Click HERE for an index of our weekly updates for the past 6 years

W.O.T.W. - World-Wide Networking

Your Town: A Link to YOUR Area Page (The largest listing of Witches, Pagans, Heathens and Wiccans on the Planet)

VoxLinks: The Pagan Web: 8,000 Listings

Your Witchvox Account: Log in Now - Create New Account - Request New Password - Log in Problems

Personal Listings: Pagan Clergy in Your Town - Adult Pagans - Young Pagans - Military Pagans

Events: Circles, Gatherings, Workshops & Festivals

Covens/Groups/Orgs: Local Groups Main Page

Other LOCAL Resources: Local Shops - Regional Sites - Local Notices - Global/National Notices - Local Skills & Services - Local Egroups - Political Freedom Fighters

Pagan Shopping: Online Shops Index - Original Crafters Sites - Auction Sites - Pagan Wholesalers - Pagan Local Shops

Web Site Content (including: text - graphics - html - look & feel)
Copyright 1997-2019 The Witches' Voice Inc. All rights reserved
Note: Authors & Artists retain the copyright for their work(s) on this website.
Unauthorized reproduction without prior permission is a violation of copyright laws.

Website structure, evolution and php coding by Fritz Jung on a Macintosh.

Any and all personal political opinions expressed in the public listing sections
(including, but not restricted to, personals, events, groups, shops, Wren’s Nest, etc.)
are solely those of the author(s) and do not reflect the opinion of The Witches’ Voice, Inc.
TWV is a nonprofit, nonpartisan educational organization.

The Witches' Voice carries a 501(c)(3) certificate and a Federal Tax ID.

Mail Us: The Witches' Voice Inc., P.O. Box 341018, Tampa, Florida 33694-1018 U.S.A.