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911 America: Talking Through The Terror...

Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.

What are your thoughts on these incidents? How are you feeling? Feel free to post any magickal workings or other support gatherings planned in your area.

WebNote 9/16/2001: Since we launched this on 911 this forum as become laced with powerful inspiration and critical information, feel free to use the search functions on your left to better define the info you are looking for. Search for your area, famous Pagans, key words etc. Also check Wren's Nest News for the latest news related to our community.

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This Is For All Of The Innocent People Caught Up In This... Sep 12th. at 6:17:12 pm UTC

L. T. Cherrystone (Lawndale, California US) Age: 43 - Email


This is for all of the innocent people caught up in this atrocity:

Be released in joy
From thy earthly forms,
Thou innocent ones,
And be one with the Universe.


In This Great Time Of Tragedy, I Do Not Want To Lose... Sep 12th. at 6:16:16 pm UTC

Terra (Conyers, Georgia US) Age: 44 - Email


In this great time of tragedy, I do not want to lose prespective but American citizens should not sit by and do nothing. We should and will do what we can in the immediate and pray that the powers that be will do what is right. I have never been a violent person but at this time I can only ask that the Goddess direct my thoughts toward a peaceful resolution. What will be will be.

My prayers (as with all Pagans) goes out to the lives affected by the devistation of this cowardly act, and hopefully, a better tomorrow will arise from this. The death of these Americans should not be in vane.

Blessed Be to All.


I Am So Full Of Rage And Hate I Can Not Stand... Sep 12th. at 6:08:48 pm UTC

Charity (Denver, Colorado US) Age: 30 - Email


I am so full of rage and hate I can not stand myself right now.

I have heard many people calling for revenge and I hate to say I feel the same way. My soul cries out for revenge even as I know that is wrong. More deaths will not justify the lives already lost. But each picture of Palestinians partying and celebrating the death of innocents makes my blood boil. I am by nature pacifist... but I do not feel it at all today.

I do not want a full scale world wide war but at the same time I can not see that it could be good to forgive and forget... these terrorists need more than a slap on the hand or they will be back and the next attack could be far worse!! Have you ever had to deal with a bully? They will NEVER stop bullying you until you standup to them and show them you will not take it anymore. And I am glad to see that this is what the American government is doing.

I do not sanction revenge but feel that as an American I have the right to DEMAND justice. I wish for a peaceful world but not at the expense of human lives or human rights. That is not peace it is oppression and I for one will not be oppressed.

It is past time for the terrorism to stop. It is past time for the racisism to end. It is far past time for turning the other cheek to the schoolyard bully. It is time to stand up and say "We will not be bullied anymore!"

I invoke Ma'at for swift justice.


I Grew Up In New Jersey, Not Far From The Devastation. I... Sep 12th. at 6:03:01 pm UTC

Kathy Robles (Walnut Creek, California US) Age: 51 - Email


I grew up in New Jersey, not far from the devastation. I watched the twin towers be built and visited them. I received a picture from one of my sisters today with the smoking skyline of NYC and finally, the tears came.

This violence is so senseless, so brutal. There were living and breathing human beings of all shapes and sizes in those buildings and those planes. What and whose ideas are more important than Life? Engaging in more violence will solve nothing - the forces of karma will be enacted in the perfect time and those who perpetrated this act will pay. And, all of us will bear witness to it.

For myself, I call upon my Amazon ancestresses to form the line that cannot be penetrated - their shields are soul mirrors and any malignant force will meet its demise of its own accord.

May the peace and beauty of the Goddess reign/rain gently upon all beings on our most lovely planet. So mote it be.

~kathy


There Was No Reason For This Cowardly Attack On Thousands Of Innocent... Sep 12th. at 5:54:13 pm UTC

Echo Storme (Oshawa, Ontario CA) Age: 16 - Email


There was no reason for this cowardly attack on thousands of innocent individuals. Whoever organized this act is literally a very cowardly and idiotic person. Its a shame that the person that was in charge of this attack had to go so, very, very low. It's one thing to hate a nation, but it's a completly different thing to hijack a few places and kill thousands of individuals who had done nothing wrong. The person in charge of this disgusting attack is a very sad example of human nature indeed.

My soceity teacher first broke the news to us. Mrs.Stone (her name) was obviously upset by the news. My fellow classmates were shocked and angered. We're Canadians, but this wasn't just an attack on America - it was an attack on freedom as we know it.

The 11th of September 2001, will forever be etched in my mind. My prayers and thoughts are with those recovering and with those who have lost a friend or relative. It certainly isn't easy losing a loved one. Just to let all of the people that have lost someone special to them know, that we're all with you. the Lord & Lady are with you. We are all mourning, this terrible attack. May the Goddess heal the injured and avenge those in charge of this. May she punish them and bring them to universal justice. They can't escape the Goddess and her laws of karma.

As from all situations, we can learn something from this. For one thing, life is one hell of a precious gift. We must live everyday of this incarnation to the fullest. We'll only be put in this incarnation once, not again. So live life, don't be afraid or shy. Be nice to your fellow man & woman. Seize the moment.

"...And therefore let there be beauty and strength, power and compassion,
honor and humility, mirth and reverence within you..."

-The Charge of the Goddess


Mmm - When I Say Amazon, I Mean Amazon.com, Obviously. You Can Get... Sep 12th. at 5:37:58 pm UTC

JF (Austin, Texas US) Age: 25


Mmm - when I say Amazon, I mean Amazon.com, obviously.

You can get to the disaster relief fund from their main page (www.amazon.com) or by following this link:

http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/paypage/PKAXFNQH7EKCX/107-0863495-9364548


I Was At First Stunned And Then Horrified At The Events Of... Sep 12th. at 5:36:00 pm UTC

Cheyenne (Flemington, New Jersey US) Age: 22 - Email


I was at first stunned and then horrified at the events of the last day and a half. Everyone in the world has, in some way, felt the reverberations of the explosions and heard the echos of our grieving hearts.
While this deplorable incident has saddened everyone and is heavy on our souls, I am gladdened, impressed, and overwhelmed by everyone's ability to pull together in this tragic time of need. I work at a hospital in New Jersey and we recieved over 2, 000 calls from individuals who wanted to help in some way, our blood bank was overwhelmed by an influx of eager doners, and staff members volunteered to pull long hours or come in unscheduled in order to help in any way. I am inspired by the bravery of our rescue workers and I pray that their strength and resolve is only matched by the determination of those that they are searching for. I am awed by the courage of the men on the plane, that crashed outside of Pittsberg, who sacrified themselves to overthrow the hijackers, saving countless lives at the planes intended destination. I can honestly say that in the midst of one of the darkest moments of our history as a country I have never been so proud to be an American or so proud and awed by my fellow citizens. United we stand and the Gods bless American.



It Seems As If Many Blood Banks Are Full And Cannot Accept... Sep 12th. at 5:35:49 pm UTC

JF (Austin, Texas US) Age: 25


It seems as if many blood banks are full and cannot accept any more blood (ours in Austin is like that) - hopefully if another call comes out for blood in a week or two, people will be as willing to donate.

In the meantime, Amazon has set up a way to donate to the disaster relief for the Red Cross - the fund has grown a hundred thousand dollars or more since I was first pointed towards it, about a half hour ago.

If you can and feel moved to, please donate.


Today Is Very Surreal. I Am Sitting At My Desk, At Work... Sep 12th. at 5:33:38 pm UTC

Ravenstar Moonchild (San Jose, California US) Age: 23 - Email


Today is very surreal. I am sitting at my desk, at work, with the sun shining in through the windows.

There have been moments when I have felt, "Ok, I can deal with this. I can get on with my life." And then I see or hear something that just breaks me. An american flag hung on a bridge over CA-101 on the way to work. Email in my inbox about how to donate money to the Red Cross. The song "Stuck in the moment" by U2 with news clips mixed in. All of these things make this day very hard.

I know we are supposed to just deal with what happened and get on with our lives, but there have been moments today when all I wanted to do is cry for what has happened, and for what will inevitably follow.

I want to cry for the anger in the hearts of my friends and relatives. I wanted to cry when I heard my younger brother say "I wish they'd give me a plane. I'd fly over there and kick their A$$es." Or when I heard my best friend say she was going to enlist as soon as we went to war.

Life as I knew it is over, and I want to just sit down and cry. I am currently across the country from most of those I care about, and I feel very alone. I do not want any more innocents to die, and yet I know that there is nothing I can do to stop that eventuality. I feel very helpless.

"The morning after,
everything looked the same.
The morning after,
everything had changed.
The morning after,
I saw innocence die.
The morning after,
I sat and wondered why.
The morning after,
We started to pick up the peices.
The morning after,
Life as we knew it ceases."

We will remember.
September 11th 2001.


I Stayed Home From My Classes Yesterday Morning Due To A Headache... Sep 12th. at 5:31:30 pm UTC

Jade Woulf (Columbia, South Carolina US) Age: 20 - Email


I stayed home from my classes yesterday morning due to a headache. Usually I know what triggers my headaches, of course I found out later on that the cause was due to the tragic event about to take place.

Around 10 o'clock in the morning I decide to change the channel from TLC to a local station to see what talk shows were being televised. What I saw will be forever etched in my mind as the most horrific event in my life. I saw the first tower of the World Trade Center collapsing. Then I heard the news journalist discussing the events. If I had been standing, I would have fallen to my knees as I watched the tower. When they showed the footage of the plane flying into the WTC, I thought that this was the end of the world.

I kept expecting to see the Lord and Lady walk across my television screen as possibly thousands upon thousands of people died right before my eyes. A part of me thought the horror was over, but I then learned about the Pentagon attack and the plane that crashed in Pittsburg.

Over the last two days the Lord and Lady have wept and I weep with Them. They will continue to weep for a long time as will all of America and most of the free world. The Earth is in pain and cries out in anguish as perhaps several thousand men, women, and children were forced to cross over. The Lord and Lady will light the way for all of us in this dark time. This is not a time for us to question our faith, but to embrace it no matter what our beliefs may be.

I attend the University of South Carolina in Columbia, SC. Our school group is known as USC W.I.C.C.A. We are very small, but we are growing. We held a healing circle last night on the Horshoe around the Maxcy Statue. We sent a very powerful cone of power last night to New York to combat the negative energy there and to aid the rescue workers, clergy of different faiths counseling friends and family of victims, and those that may still be trapped. We also sent wisdom to the officials in the White House so that they may make informed and wise decisions on how to deal with this dark situation.

We welcome all faiths and traditions to join us as we try to comprehend this tragedy. There will definitely be more cirlces and I will post the times and locations for all Pagans and others in South Carolina that are interested in joining us. Our regular meetings are every Monday night (except for school holidays) in the Witten Room on the third floor of the Russell House at 7:45 pm. This semester we are conducting a "Wicca 101" series which discusses different aspects of Wicca. We are seeking to dispel myths and misconceptions about the Pagan religions. Whether or not we will suspend our series in order to discuss this tragedy and to form more healing circles remains to be seen. Feel free to contact me at the e-mail address that I will list below if you wish to know more about USC W.I.C.C.A. or if you simply wish to talk.


I Wrote This And Originally Posted It To A Forum On Sj... Sep 12th. at 5:21:00 pm UTC

Allison E. Kaese (Frederick, Maryland US) Age: 38 - Email


I wrote this and originally posted it to a forum on SJ Games Pyramid.

I think it does equally well here.

Copyright 2001 Allison E. Kaese, Mystic Station Designs, LLC
Permission granted to re-post as long as this disclaimer
is attached.

Sadness:

The Pillars of Knowledge and Prosperity that guard
The Lady in her Harbor Cauldron have been destroyed.

The wards guarding that which lies within the Pentagon
have been weakened, but still are not unbroken.

But the ties that bind the country have been strengthened
Though I fear mostly by anger and not as much by love.

Emergencies and Peace, Loving ties between husband and Wife
have been sacrificed in the name of what is still unknown.

But still as a man from the stars once said -
"When things are at their worst, you are at your best"

Stranger lifts stranger to home and garners new friend
Respect renews for those who are forgotten, despised heroes

Blood sacrifices are made to combat those that were taken
outpourings of time and money to help find that which was lost

and now the ties strengthen as the hours of despair lengthen
this time through that greatest love, of Man for his brother.

Explanations are available if needed - comments welcome


It's Only Been A Day And Already I've Been Through So Many... Sep 12th. at 5:19:44 pm UTC

Willow (Boiceville, New York US) Age: 17 - Email


It's only been a day and already I've been through so many emotions. First, I was a little unnerved, but it didn't sink in, like "Oh, wow, really?". Then I was afraid, mainly because I live so close to NYC and the Resevoir. Anything that sounded like a plane made me flinch. We were taken to our school's library to watch the news unfolding, and I was in such shock and I felt so sad. I tried hard not to cry. Today I actually saw footage of the planes crashing into the World Trade Center, and it is truly the most disturbing, horrifying thing I have ever seen, and Goddess knows I've seen some sights. The sounds of the people screaming; and the survivors and rescuers talking about how they could hear people screaming "Help me", but they couldn't see them; there was nothing they could do, they couldn't help them. A reporter said "There are people falling off of buildings and they are seeing death all around them"- I will never forget that quote.

It still seems so surreal, and I can't fully comprehend the magnitude, as in the way it will affect us as a nation. I'm scared to death that we may go to war; 90% of my friends are old enough to be drafted. Some of my classmates have not heard from relatives who were there yet; luckily I don't have any relatives living down there. I do have two friends that just moved to NYC, and I'm sure they're ok, but what if they're not? I remember doing the math to myself in the library: "800 beds (in the hospital). 10, 000 people per day in the World Trade Center on average. Hundreds of rescuers in the building when it collapsed". I just can't believe that this has happened. I keep hearing the line in my head from Rosemary's Baby: "This is no dream, this is really happening!". It is so sickening and so sad, that so many lives were lost, so many people injured, innocent people. New York City looks like it's been through a Holocaust. Everyone in my school walked around like zombies. This hasn't just affected the people immediately involved, and sometimes I feel guilty for being so upset when I wasn't really involved. But it's my country, and my state. And the scariest thing is, there's no way to repair the damage that's been done. Even if we catch the people who did it, put them jail, kill them, or whatever, it's not going to make anyone feel any better, at least not for very long. The emptiness will be waiting for us when we get off the high of vengeance. My dad came home from work yesterday and told us that people are going out and beating up anyone who looks Arab. His coworker said, "What we need to do is get ourselves some baseball bats, get in the car and go hunt down those goddamn Habibs [that's a derogatory term some people use for Arabs around here. I don't know if it's used elsewhere]". It's just devastated so many people, that they will resort to blindly striking out at anything or anyone that could be responsible, just to escape the pain.

I remember Oklahoma City. I remember the Unabomber. I remember Columbine. And I will never forget what happened yesterday; I will never forget the people screaming in terror as those planes hit, and people covered in soot and in complete shock. And the children in other countries dancing merrily because of it. They were given candy in celebration of thousands of people dying, thousands injured, and millions in shock and horror. I will never forget the way my classmates looked when we were watching it all unfold on the news. After this, I never want to get in any stupid, petty fights with any of them ever again; it seems so ridiculous now, to bicker over who has the better outfit, or who so-and-so is hanging out with, or who's a poseur. It makes me feel like such an idiot. Why constantly tear each other down? We share our school, our town, our state, our country. What if we all went to war remembering only the nasty things we've said to one another? It's a hideous thought.

So, sorry that this is so long and rambling. I hope everyone reading this is ok, and their families and friends are safe. May the Lord and Lady protect and heal us all.


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