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Question of the Week: 59 - 9/11/2001

911 America: Talking Through The Terror...

Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.

What are your thoughts on these incidents? How are you feeling? Feel free to post any magickal workings or other support gatherings planned in your area.

WebNote 9/16/2001: Since we launched this on 911 this forum as become laced with powerful inspiration and critical information, feel free to use the search functions on your left to better define the info you are looking for. Search for your area, famous Pagans, key words etc. Also check Wren's Nest News for the latest news related to our community.

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I Would Like To Know If Any One Received Prior Warnings About... Sep 12th. at 3:58:57 pm UTC

Lady Elaine and Lord Arbon (Greeneville, Tennessee US) Age: 43 - Email

I would like to know if any one received prior warnings about the tragedy.Lord Arbon and myself experienced horrifying visions at 11.45 Monday evening, and continue to do so.We urge fellow witches and pagans and other people of the Earth to put aside personal differences and put up circles of protection for the good of all.This is the time to unite and be as one. From what information I have, circles are being put up everywhere. We encourage solitaries and covens to come together in this time of crisis.We have contact with witches in the UK and Canada, they stand by our side.We are planning circles continually, we hope everyone will also.It is time for the Witches of America to Unite!We can defeat the enemy to the Mother. She is ever eternal! Bright Blessings and Hope! Lady Elaine and Lord Arbon.

I Was Astounded By The Acts That Took Place Yesterday. Talk Of... Sep 12th. at 3:57:15 pm UTC

Charity (Versailles, Missouri US) Age: 22 - Email

I was astounded by the acts that took place yesterday. Talk of nukes and biological warfare, the ideas seemed so surreal. But yet we are reminded that terrible tragedies happen like this in other countries all the time. We just did not believe that it could happen to our fair country. Staring at the tv coverage of familiar surroundings and saddened faces, we are awakened to the reality that this is happening in our country. That is why we must seek peace for the world and ourselves earnestly. We must join together and pray and raise positive energies or even meditate for the spiritual evolution of ourselves and the world. Let us visualize a world in which only peace and love reign. Let this tragedy and so many before it not be in vain. May we connect with each other and work to heal the world.

I Think That What Happened Is A Sign That We, As A... Sep 12th. at 3:55:03 pm UTC

Maggie Brancazio (Ashtabula, Ohio US) Age: 19

I think that what happened is a sign that we, as a people need to change how we view the world. If something this terrifying can happen in our country then nowhere is safe from these monsters. I pray to the Lord and Lady that these people (and I use that word lightly) are found and punished for this awful attack on innocent lives.

I Feel A Bit Ill Regarding All Of This.i Am Saddened... Sep 12th. at 3:49:09 pm UTC

Aisling (Houghton, Michigan US) Age: 20 - Email

I feel a bit ill regarding all of this.
I am saddened by the loss of life, yes. But what scares me right now, is the reaction to this.
In just 12 short hours yesterday, the US went from life as usual, to declaring war.
Last night, Congress called for attacking any country that harbors terrorists. George W. Bush stated that they would make no differentiation from a terrorist, and a country that harbors a terrorist. Those are the two powers necessary for going into war, and they're all for it.
Just a short 12 hours after the whole mess started.
If that doesn't scare you, it should.
For things to go that horribly wrong that quickly, people should be worried.
I'm not trying to detract the attention away from those who have died. I offer a prayer to the Gods that they will be at peace, and hope that any survivors in the rubble do not have to suffer too horribly before they are found, or they pass from this world into the next.
But please don't let the mourning distract you from the fact that the people in power are acting way too harshly.
We went from wanting to find out who did this and bring them to justice to wanting to attack any country who harbors any terrorists. It doesn't matter if they did this attack or not, if they've ever attacked anything for any reason, then the country they live in is now going to be under attack.
I go to college at Michigan Technological University right now, and we have a lot of international students. Some are from the countries that harbor terrorists. Think of how they feel, miles away from home, hearing this hostility from all around them against their home countries, even though we have not yet found a guilty party.
I've talked to friends at my college, and they're all for bombing the hell out of countries that harbor terrorists.
But what they don't realize is that if that happens (and I have a horrible feeling it will) that we'll end up going to war.
Guess who ends up being soldiers?
I beg of you, please, in addition to praying for those affected by the loss of lives, please pray for the people in power to calm down and think this out. We don't need a war. We don't need to bomb countries. We'd be hypocrites if we did, killing innocent people because our innocent people were killed. We need to sit down and think this out rationally. Call off the war. Because war does not determine who is right, but who is left. And there's no way to win a nuclear war. I hope they aren't stupid enough to fire off nuclear weapons.... We don't need this kind of devastation.
At this point, the People in Power are acting like kids who got pushed down on the playground. They're swinging their fists in every direction, hoping to hit the right person, but maybe taking out friends.
For everything to go to hell yesterday within 12 short hours scares me. I hope my hunches turn out to be wrong.

As I Went To Bed Last Night, A Thought Hit Me - Tonight... Sep 12th. at 3:44:03 pm UTC

Karl Marten (Vancouver, British Columbia CA) Age: 41 - Email

As I went to bed last night, a thought hit me - tonight there will be many thousands of beds remaining empty. Even worse, there will be many hundreds, if not thousands, of pets waiting in vain for their owner to come home. How many of these will starve because no one is there to care for them? How many Familiars will be waiting for their loved one to come home, waiting and waiting for that door to open? What will become of them? May the Spirits protect them. Do not forget them when you hold your vigils.

This Morning, Someone Left A Handmade Sign, Chalk And Felt Pen On... Sep 12th. at 3:34:26 pm UTC

Ivy Greenwood (Simi Valley, California US) Age: 45 - Email

This morning, someone left a handmade sign, chalk and felt pen on a sheet of drywall, leaning against a power pole on a street close to my house. It says, "God Bless America---In Memory of September 11, 2001." They attacked a felt pen on a showstring to it, so that people could sign it and leave messages. After I dropped my kids off at school (with a wrench of anxiety I've never felt before yesterday morning!) I came back and signed my name, adding my signature to countless others, and as I did so, I found myself able to cry for the first time since I turned on my television yesterday morning. I am still in shock, unable to truly contemplate the number of dead and wounded, afraid to try.

I am aware of things I didn't comprehend until yesterday morning. I am a strong, capable woman. I have always believed myself able to protect my children from anything, up to and including grizzly bears. It hurts and terrifies me to realize that I have no way to defend them from this kind of broad-spectrum malice. There are people in the world who see my children and think not of how beautiful they are but of how killing them might help prove some political point, and there is very little I can do about it. It makes me want to take my babies and hide them from the whole world!

But I cannot do that. If I give in to my deepest fears, if I take my precious family and hide them in some hole, lock them safe in my house and never let them out of my sight---why, I have let the monsters win. I will have let the terrorists terrorize me into submission. And that, I realize, I cannot and will not do. I have a deep aversion to giving people like that what they want. So I send my children off into the world anyway, with a kiss and a whisper of "I love you, " and a prayer for their safety, understanding that maybe none of us will see each other alive again at the end of the day, and feeling my love for them (and their love for me) all the more deeply because of this. We appreciate the joys of life the most when in the presence of death.

I do not believe in violent revenge. It will not bring back even one precious, wasted life, or mend a single shattered body any faster. Violence may well escalate the atrocities even further, and stack the corpses sky-high. Let us avenge our dead not by violence, but by living our lives even more fully. Now that we have been made so cruelly aware of just how fragile our lives really are, let's embrace life even more fervently.

Some Local Pagans On Maine Are Gathering This Coming Sunday At 1... Sep 12th. at 3:29:51 pm UTC

Jeffery Beaudoin (Gorham, Maine US) Age: 30 - Email

Some local pagans on Maine are gathering this coming Sunday at 1:00pm at Ft.Willams Park, meeting up at the swing set. As of now it is just a few of us, but ALL are welcome to join us and say a prayer for those lost in the recent tragic events. Any questions can be emailed to me for a quick response.
Love and Light to everyone.

Dear All,i Wish That I Could Say Merry Met But This... Sep 12th. at 3:22:23 pm UTC

Fire Horse (Winnetka, California US) Age: 35 - Email

Dear All,

I wish that I could say Merry Met but this is not the Merriest of Days. Everyone is calling for prayers, spells and candles to the victims and their families, of which I agree. But we also need to put in a call for those people that are calling for War. These people need your prayers, spells, candles and love also. I know of people from different walks of life and religions calling for WW3. This is not an answer.

I ask all of you to Please pray, cast spells, light candles, and send healing energy to these people so that they can let go of this anger and move on to more important things like healing.

I ask you all to remember that everything happens for a reason and the Goddess/Gods have their agendas for our world and we need to accept that. We don't have to like it.

I have candles lit here on my desk at work and I am doing everything that I can.

Please remember the people that are calling for War and send them healing energy so that we don't have to go into War.

Blessed be to all,

Fire Horse

Hello I Am Really Upsets About What Happened. Unfortunately My Cousin Was... Sep 12th. at 3:15:42 pm UTC

Fire Wiccan (Lamar, South Carolina US) Age: 13 - Email

Hello I am really upsets about what happened. Unfortunately my cousin was supposed to be in the Tower when it was struck. I pray and pray that she wasn't in there. I have also been to the tower and I remember it well and It is also hard to believe that it is gone.

This Horrible Incident Is A Wakeup Call, But Not In The Way... Sep 12th. at 3:15:36 pm UTC

Sandra Rodgers (Irvine, California US) Age: 45

This horrible incident is a wakeup call, but not in the way some might suppose. It is an urgent invitation to recognize our interdependence as human creatures in a complex ecosystem that incudes many cultures, perspectives, and beliefs. We are so good at seeing the little differences; it is time to notice the similarities. All of us human beings are the same in fundamental ways. We all need physical safety, security, belonging, dignity, and purpose. Whenever an outrageous act of violence occurs, it is a clear signal that someone's needs are not being met. Obviously, the victims are not safe -- and my heart goes out to every one of them. Difficult as it might be to believe, it also is true that somehow the perpetrators are in need. People don't just act horribly in capricious ways. Something drove them to commit this unspeakable crime. We must look there to see how to be more helpful, how to prevent future outbursts. This is one world, and we all share it. We might consider asking ourselves: are we contributing to the welfare of all? Or is there some room for improvement in our dealings with others? If EVERY single human being on this planet were to behave in a peaceful, responsible manner, we actually would have world peace. Tonight, as we meditate on world events, let's send extra gifts of love and blessings out to ALL human beings without reservation or exception. Can we all do this? Can you personally do this? Let's try.

I Was Looking For Some Relief Here From The Old-testament-quoting Warmongering On... Sep 12th. at 3:10:31 pm UTC

Cat (Austin, Texas US) Age: 35

I was looking for some relief here from the Old-Testament-quoting warmongering on TV. I am saddened to see evidence of hate and fear among my Pagan brothers and sisters as well. Remember through our grief, rage, and shock that we are ALL connected, all beings linked together in the beautiful web of life that is Gaia. The desire to eradicate all evil, to exact revenge, has consequences similar to trying to eradicate all harmful insects with DDT, or trying to eradicate all germs with antibiotic animal feed. I fear for the women of Afganistan, who have suffered so much already under the Taliban -- how much more suffering would American bombing inflict on them? I fear we will increase again the amount we are spending on the military (already more than the rest of the world combined), at the expense of moving toward sustainability. Yes, holy war is an evil thing as these terrorist attacks have proven again. Demanding perfect safety from violence, death, insects, or germs is another evil -- an evil of trying to separate ourselves from the web of life. The answer is to anknowledge our deep connection, to seek justice for all beings, and to hold to nonviolence, courage, and love in the face of evil.

Blessed Be,

Austin, TX

It's Been Interesting To Hear The Response From Richmond's (indiana) Pagan Community... Sep 12th. at 3:08:51 pm UTC

Lady Teal NightRaven (Richmond, Indiana US) Age: 29 - Email

It's been interesting to hear the response from Richmond's (Indiana) Pagan Community. Many are in agreement that something must happen (i.e. retribution and war), but I simply cannot agree with this. I guess I am a "dove" at heart -- I don't see how going out and killing more people is going to "fix" this situation.

Hasn't there been enough death already?

I am grieving for those who lost their lives, for their families and friends, for the horror that this country has experienced. But I will grieve more if I learn that we have chosen to meet death with more death -- more children without parents does not seem just to me. (Besides, the terrorists who enacted the attack are already dead).

I just want to clarify that I do think that "something" should be done to those responsible for the attack (aside from those who were on the plane). I do not in any way, shape, or form condone what happened. I am just concerned that rather than justice, we will just kill thousands of innocent people in some other country as we go after one target.

I don't know what the alternative is.

Silver (my partner) and I were talking and she asked me what I thought we should do instead, and I don't have an adequate response to it. Emotions are high for all of us, so I can only hope that in sharing my opinion I haven't stepped on anyone's toes, offended anyone or led someone to believe that I am any less appalled then they are over the entire situation.

In Love and Peace,
Lady Teal NightRaven (Teal Mercaeant)
High Priestess of Living Tapestry Circle
Richmond/Boston, IN

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