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Question of the Week: 59 - 9/11/2001

911 America: Talking Through The Terror...

Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.

What are your thoughts on these incidents? How are you feeling? Feel free to post any magickal workings or other support gatherings planned in your area.

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I Am A Pagan Living In New York. I Am Looking Out... Sep 12th. at 3:05:41 pm UTC

Anna (Staten Island, New York US) Age: 30 - Email


I am a Pagan living in New York. I am looking out of my window right now at a horrific sight. There is a huge hole in the skyline where the twin towers used to be. I cannot express what I am feeling at the moment. I was up all night waiting for news of a family member with whom I spoke to at 9:15 yesterday morning. At 2 am he returned unharmed and tired. But he was alive. I have friends that are unaccounted for and I can only hope that they are not suffering or did not suffer. There is so much I would like to express, but I just cannot find the words to do it. I would like to ask that if there are any healing groups or just groups of Pagan/Wiccan people getting together in the Staten Island, Brooklyn or Ny area, please email me. I do not belong to any organized groups at the moment, but I feel the need to do something with people who are like minded. My thoughts are united with you all. ~S~


I Just Wanted To Write And Express My Deepest Emotions And Thoughts... Sep 12th. at 3:01:46 pm UTC

Aryn Shadowfox (Durango, Colorado US) Age: 21 - Email


I just wanted to write and express my deepest emotions and thoughts in this great horror we are experiencing in our lives. It really is a grave sadness to see what our world and it's citizens are capable of this day and age. A lot of times I want to just give up and let life take its course but then I snap back to reality and think about what I would do in a situation if I was in the midst of it all. We can't just back off and let it all just "happen." We have to stand together and be a greater people standing for a greater good no matter how big or small our efforts are. We all can help in some way or another. If you are able, give blood or maybe give a little money to the organizations, if that isn't possible, say a prayer or light a candle in the victim's memory. Like I said before, we can all overcome this horror by standing together to be strong and showing the world that we are not a poeple who will take this kind of anger lightly. Show the world our love and bring them into our hearts.
My heart and love goes out to those of you who have family involved in some way or another in the crisis.
Bright Blessings and Love,
Aryn Shadowfox


There Will Be A Pagan Candle Light Vigil Tonight At Trout Lake... Sep 12th. at 3:00:06 pm UTC

Amy Marie Hearn & many other pagans in Vancouver (Vancouver, British Columbia CA) Age: 32 - Email


There will be a pagan candle light vigil tonight at Trout Lake Park at 7:30pm PST in Vancouver, BC. We will meet at the Victoria and 15th entrance and proceed from there.
Please bring a candle, yourself, and perhap some flowers to commemerate those that were brutally murdered by terroroists. We also hope to unite our intent on preventing war, and offering our prayers for the rescuers' safety, for the survivors, and for the families of the bereaved.
For all those in other regions, if you would like to join us in spirit, pleae do so... the more hearts and minds united, the better we can help! So, this will be 10:30 EST I think... thank you all of you!

Blessed Be!


I Didnt Sleep At All Last Night. Me And My Friends Did... Sep 12th. at 2:55:28 pm UTC

Brianna (Cedar City, Utah US) Age: 15 - Email


I didnt sleep at all last night. Me and my friends did numerous protection spells and chants for us, and everybody involved, whether directly or indirectly. I don't about everyone else out there, but I have experienced some very interesting visions. Some of them quite disturbing. I'm not alone in this, some of my friends have too. Email me and let me know if you have also experienced visions since the terrorist attack. I'm definetley interested in knowing what these visions could mean. Maybe, with your help, we can figure this out.


I Don't Know About The Rest Of You But I Had A... Sep 12th. at 2:47:50 pm UTC

Elvia Gomez (Fort Worth, Texas US) Age: 22 - Email


I don't know about the rest of you but I had a hard time sleeping
last night. I saw a Palestinean on the world news cheering and
laughing and he said "This is great I love it, there should be
more." Right then is the first time I got totaly angry at such
human stupidity. Can't people see, even the President, that if we
want true peace in this world fighting wars is not the way to go.
I do believe that these terrorist should be stopped, but I do not
believe that starting a war will solve all of our problems. I am
just so confused right now. My white candle has been burning and
my thoughts and prayers are not only for New York and Washington
D.C. but for the world. This is a sign that we need to grow up
and take a look around. Were turning into a bunch of violent
angry mammals with guns. Everyone said something in the air is
changing and that they feel a forceful energy. Boy were we right.
Blessed Be
Elvia


I'm Really Afraid Of What Bush Will Do. I Fear This Will... Sep 12th. at 2:44:05 pm UTC

Shadow FireRaven (N. Kingstown, Rhode Island US) Age: 16 - Email


I'm really afraid of what Bush will do. I fear this will turn into WWIII which will me the end of life as we know it today. Once the nukes start flying its over.

I am really amazed at the unity the country now has. It's incredible. I'm really not into doing the pledge of allegiance or looking at W. Bush with respect, but I really have to at a time like this.

PEACE TO ALL.
LORD AND LADY BLESS.


All I Can Feel Is Deep And Profound Sadness. I Can't Even... Sep 12th. at 2:42:42 pm UTC

Lorelai (Concord, California US) Age: 28


All I can feel is deep and profound sadness. I can't even feel angry. I see the anger all around me, and that makes me afraid. I'm afraid of the racism and hatred that I see this anger triggering, and I'm afraid of what Americans are willing to become to feed their anger. I pray for the families and friends of those who have died, and I pray for those who have been injured physically and emotionally. And I pray that we can rise above our anger and answer this tragedy with compassion and unity among all the citizens of this country.


We As A Nation, And We As Human Beings Across This World... Sep 12th. at 2:15:17 pm UTC

Lark (Clarksville, Tennessee US) Age: 56 - Email


We as a nation, and we as human beings across this world, have experienced a terrible shock, one that we will not get over for a long, long time. For some of us, the grief and sorrow are on a very personal level if we had friends or family who are among the casualties of this act by persons as yet unknown. Some of us are effected merely because an event of this magnitude does touch us all as children of the Goddess.

Whenever there is a disaster, a war, an event of nature, we feel grief for the victims...but fear for ourselves is often missing because we can feel that it is far away, or that we can plan for the next one so that we are safe from it. This feeling of being in "control" of our lives is very important to our emotional well-being. But yesterday's senseless tragedy robs us of this sense of security. It **CAN** happen here, it **CAN** happen anywhere and at anytime. And while we might put security measures in place to diminish the risk of another such attach, the sad truth is that there is no way to completely protect yourself from someone who is willing to die to make a political point. And this sudden knowledge of our own vulnerability can have a very serious psychological impact on each of us. That is why terrorism exists and is so effective.

So in the next days, weeks, and months it is important that we do what we can to deal with the images of the past terrible hours. And that healing needs to begin right at home.

Understand that these images, disturbing as they are to us, are even more so to our small children who haven't the cognitive ability yet to understand what is happening, but who are frightened by the images and by the response they see in our faces. Be aware of the impact you may be having on these little ones. Much as we all seem to be glued to the TV set, limit the amount of news footage that the kids are seeing. Particularly pay attention when they say that images may be
disturbing. If the sight of falling bodies and burning buildings upset you, think what they mean to a small child.

Take time to talk to your children..if they want to talk..and explain as best you can that sometimes people do bad things that hurt lots of others. And reassure them that you will do your best to keep them safe..and that you will be safe yourself. There will be a time when they are older for them to understand everything that happened. Right now what they need is to feel that they are secure in their own home. And the truth of it is, they are. The chance of any of you personally being hurt or killed in a terrorist attack is minimal. Let's not let the little ones suffer for our adult fears.

Remember too that when we are afraid and feel helpless, when we see people hurt by terrorists..we often transpose these feelings into anger. Directly it is anger at the terrorists. But since we can't strike back directly at the source of our fears, it often overflows into our relationships at home. Be aware of your emotional state. Don't end up taking out your anger on those who don't deserve it, loved ones, friends, our children.

We also need to be very careful that our justifiable anger does not spill over on to innocent targets. Right now we don't know for a fact who did this awful thing. Yet I have already heard people on talk radion saying they wish all Muslims were dead. This is our fear talking, not our rational selves. And letting fear talk can lead to our committing acts we may regret later. Let us
reserve our anger for those who do deserve it, for those who committed this act, and for those who provided them with the tools and money to do it. It must be remembered, not so long ago we blamed the Muslims for another attack, only to find out it was committed by our own citizens.

While we are all made aware of our vulnerability by this act, don't let it become a fear so great that you cannot function in a normal fashion. Yes, we are still in mourning and temporarily immobilized. But if you suddenly find yourself unable to go to work because you fear that something "might" happen, if you can't leave the house without your heart pounding, then your fears have gained control of your life. And that kind of reaction is a good sign that you need
professional help to aid you in working through these events.

And don't forget the spiritual side of your healing either. Take time for yourselves to commune with the Divine. Ask for your own healing as well as that for others. Get outside and touch the earth, sit under a tree, find your center again.

Being able to offer help to others in worse need is one good way of feeling that you have regained some semblance of control. Most of us live some distance away from these disasters. But here in the States there are a number of direct ways that you can help. The Red Cross will continue to need blood in the coming weeks and months both to treat the victims of this disaster and to replenish depleted blood banks across the country. Sure the lines are long today, but in a week they probably won't be. Get out there and donate blood. If you don't know where to go, call 1-800-GIV-LIFE. And along with blood, relief workers with the Red Cross will be in need of many, many supplies to help with rescue efforts and in the shelters from those made homeless by the blasts. Any amount of money would be welcomed. Again, for monetary donations, contact the Red Cross at 1-800-HELP NOW.

We as a nation and as a world must do whatever we can to insure that this does not happen again. Terrorism is an attack on each and every one of us. In the past we have been ineffective in doing this because we have acted alone and have gone after only the individual perpetrators. We have learned to our sorrow that this does not work. The continued support of terrorist groups by countries around the world has meant an unending supply of individuals who are willing to die for what they believe. To be effective in ending this scourge, we must remove these safe havens. Can it be done? Yes it can. Those of us who remember the many, many airplane hijackings of the 1970's also remember how those became rare once the world decided that no nation would grant refuge to a hijacker. The nations of the world need to come together again now and say that they will not tolerate any such acts as we just experience, and that any nation which harbors, trains, or funds such acts will be held accountable.

This action must be carefully planned, based on accurate information that targets the real perpetrators and minimizes risk to the innocent around them. To do otherwise is to sink ourselves to their level. And once identified and located, then and only then could I see the use of military force to eliminate the terrorist center. And warning must also be given to the hosting country that
any action on their part to prevent our actions will be treated as a hostile act. Let there be no mistake, we must act..or we are all doomed to experience such acts again and again.

One final intervention that you here in the States, and one that you overseas, can do..is let your government representatives know that you give them your support to end the threat of world terrorism. Politicians are talking a good line right now, but months from now when the ashes have cooled, they may need reminding that the memories of these terrible days are still fresh in our minds and that they need to act to prevent any repetition of this event.

In the meantime, let us keep each other and all those across the world harmed by this tragedy in our thoughts and prayers. Contine to come here as you need to vent your fears and anger. And know that the God and Goddess hold each of you in their arms.

Blessings,

-Lark-


It Is Wonderful To See People Pulling Together During This Tragedy. I... Sep 12th. at 2:12:24 pm UTC

Lunah (Arlington, Virginia US) Age: 29 - Email


It is wonderful to see people pulling together during this tragedy. I would like to think that something good can come of such a horrific event. I live only a few miles from the Pentagon, and I am thankful that my family and friends are okay. My thoughts go out to everyone touched by this event. And thank you, Canada, for your support in finding space for international flights.


I Was Driving To Work When This Happened And The Radio Had... Sep 12th. at 2:09:42 pm UTC

Erica (Layton, Utah US) Age: 22


I was driving to work when this happened and the radio had said nothing about it. I knew nothing about it until I got into work and started listening to my coworkers. I was horrified. I was scared for my family and for the families that were involved in this horrible act. I didn't feel safe anymore. I didn't want to leave work cause it felt safer there than it did at home. BTW I am in the Military so you can imagine why it felt safer. I have no choice in this matter if my higher ups feel it is wise to retaliate with war i am gonna be right there. I will be glad to carry a gun and kill people that killed or assisted in killing innocent American Civilians. That is my job. I don't want to sound callous but I feel we should take over a country for this. It was all almost too much to take in. It seemed like a dream or a movie. I wanted to go to sleep and make it all go away. But that doesn't work in real life. I am still in shock. My partner and I are having problems over this because I think he should call his Aunt (who lives in Pittsburgh) and his best friend (who lives in Boston) and see how they are doing. He disagrees saying that he doesn't want to deal with people right now, including me. This just makes the whole situation worse cause now i don't have anyone to talk to about this and about how i am feeling. He is doing the worst thing he can do "bottling his emotions." But anyway I think we should all stick together during these trying times for America. The military could use as many volunteers right now that the country will give. Remember we are the ones that will be fighting when it comes to that.


When I Heard The News Of The Cowardly Act That Will Forever... Sep 12th. at 2:09:07 pm UTC

Moonfire (Raton, New Mexico US) Age: 28


When I heard the news of the cowardly act that will forever mark this day in history, I was busy doing the mundane task of cleaning my sock drawer. My mother called and told me "Turn the news on now!" and then hung up. My mind was, and still is, unable to fully grasp the tragedy that has happened. My concerns are for the victims and their families; the heroic firefighters, EMT's, and police that raced to save lives; and for the ethnic groups that will be wrongfully singled out during the next few weeks. I do not feel that I need to ask my fellow Pagan brothers and sisters to join me in doing whatever we can to help. I know we are all doing what we feel we can do. I try to keep myself from becoming angry and letting that emotion dominate my thoughts today. I send out love to everyone I have mentioned above and am awaiting my turn to give blood.

This will forever change the United States of America and how we conduct our business, travel, and entertainment. It is shocking and horrible to think of a terrorist attack on our own soil. However, last night I was able to hug my children, husband, and family. Tears are falling on my keyboard as I think of all those who could not.


I Just Wanted To Say That I Was Woke Up Yesterday Morning... Sep 12th. at 1:58:10 pm UTC

Amanda Gibson (Middleburg, Florida US) Age: 16 - Email


I just wanted to say that I was woke up yesterday morning to a sight that took my every thought away. Last night I burned a purple candle for those who have suffered, been injured, or have passed away in yesterday's tragedy. All that was left in the morning was the end of the wick. I see that that candle was well used up. Today I am burning a black candle for protection of our now uniting nation. I am asking everyone, patriotic or not, to light a candle or saying a blessing for not only these people needing it but also for the United States of America. I am saddened though, that it takes such acts to unite us again. But we now stand with a will and a way and a reason. I only hope that this does not end half as badly as it began. Of course it is inevitable with the possibility of war. I wish only the best for everyone and that those responsible will only recieve what they deserve and that is this tragedy three fold among them. Blessed Be!


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