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911 America: Talking Through The Terror...

Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.

What are your thoughts on these incidents? How are you feeling? Feel free to post any magickal workings or other support gatherings planned in your area.

WebNote 9/16/2001: Since we launched this on 911 this forum as become laced with powerful inspiration and critical information, feel free to use the search functions on your left to better define the info you are looking for. Search for your area, famous Pagans, key words etc. Also check Wren's Nest News for the latest news related to our community.

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My Father In Law Sent Me An E-mail About Nostradamus And It... Sep 12th. at 12:37:52 pm EDT

Amuia (Aiea, Hawaii US) Age: 28 - Email

My Father in Law sent me an e-mail about Nostradamus and it freaked me out. Is it true that he predicted this?

(Here's the clip)

> Are you guys familiar with Nostradamus?
> This is a quake from one of his predictions:
> "In the year of the new century and nine months, From the sky will come
> a great King of Terror... The sky will burn at forty-five degrees. Fire
> approaches the great new city..."
> In the city of york there will be a great collapse, 2 twin brothers torn
> chaos while the fortress fall the great leader will succumb d
> third big war will begin when the big city is burning - NOSTRADAMUS
> 2001 is the first year of the new century and this is the 9th month. New
> York is located at the 41st degree Latitude.
> He also said that this will be the third World War and it would be
> bigger than the last two wars. I hope he is wrong, but judging from his
> predictions of Hitler, Napoleon, and Pearl Harbor....

Well, I'm Not Going To Say What Has Probably Been Said. Except... Sep 12th. at 12:37:35 pm EDT

Katherine Dunn (Burlington, North Carolina US) Age: 22 - Email

Well, I'm not going to say what has probably been said.


May the victims find their way to the warmest of the Summerlands.
And may the terrorists find their way to the darkest depths of Tartarus.

First I Want To Share A Poem I Came Up With Yesterday... Sep 12th. at 12:21:36 pm EDT

SpiralSong (Madison, Wisconsin US) Age: 23 - Email

First I want to share a poem I came up with yesterday...during the shock of watching the Towers go down, watching the Pentagon burn, and thinking of the immense gravity of the events that just occurred...
Tuesday, September 11th, 2001

"Two hijacked planes crashed into the World Trade Center,
toppling the twin 110-story towers
where thousands of people had just arrived for work.

Within an hour, an explosion rocked the Pentagon in Washington,
where the White House, the Capitol and all other federal buildings were evacuated.

Military jets patrolled the skies
while the FAA grounded all civilian aircraft nationwide,
but not before reports of another plane crashing in Pennsylvania."

Today was the day of smoke and flames.
Today was the day when the skyline of a city
Was changed forever.

Today was the day when thousands of people
Lost their lives, lost their loved ones.

"Windows shattered.
People were screaming and diving for cover.
People walked around like ghosts,
covered in dirt,
weeping and wandering dazed."

I do not feel safe.
I cannot feel safe.
I may never feel safe again.

Today is the day that our prayers will be heard throughout the world
Because they are written across the sky
In columns of smoke.

Today was the day we will never forget.

Last night I attended a candlelight vigil/ritual for healing at a local park. There were about 30 of us there. I've made an appointment to donate blood at my local Red Cross -- they are only accepting donations by appointment due to the massive public response to this horrible series of events.

I couldn't sleep last night. I kept dreaming of airplanes.

I am lucky. I do not have friends or family at the disaster zones. That makes this whole thing no less horrifying for me, and I cannot even imagine the pain and anguish and fear of those who are trapped or who have yet to hear from friends or loved ones. I have shed many tears already; I will shed many more before this is over. ALL THOSE PEOPLE...

Driving and walking through the building I work in and through the city I live in yesterday I saw groups of total strangers gathered around radios and televisions: people of many races and religions sharing a common reaction to the tragedy that occurred. I saw people driving, stuck in traffic, with their hands over their mouths and tears on their cheeks. The outpouring of horror, fear, sorrow, and anger was overwhelming.

In the hallways and on the radio I hear talk of retribution. This is premature. Those who did this will be brought to justice, and we must NOT answer their violence with violence of our own. At this time we must prove that we can maintain the fairness, the truth, and the justice that this nation was founded on. But I'm afraid: tensions are running high as the entire country yields to an almost purely visceral reaction to the senseless acts of hatred meted out on our cities, our loved ones. We can't afford to answer that hatred with hatred of our own. With our technologies, war is NOT an option.

Tonight at 10pm CST the Nationwide Circle goes on, and whether or not I can find friends to gather with, I will send energies of hope and healing for those lives lost, those who have lost loved ones, those still trapped or still working to help, those who are waiting with bated breath to hear the fate of friends and family still unaccounted for, and yes...even for those who did this, that they may be FAIRLY brought to justice.

Blessed Be,

Dear Friends, Pagans Of The World Unite! Our Country Needs Your Help... Sep 12th. at 12:08:50 pm EDT

Acacia (Gastonia, North Carolina US) Age: 25 - Email

Dear Friends,

Pagans of the world UNITE! Our country needs your help.

Please donate to the American Red Cross with blood, monetary donations, or volunteer time!

With my current illness, I am unable to donate blood. This is unfortunate since I am O positive.

As an employee of my local Emergency Management System, I can understand the magnitude and reality of the response to NYC and DC. To the Red Cross, your donations of towels, bottled water, snack foods, bandages, paper products, and children's comforts will ALL be needed and appreciated.

Consider if you will, the strain that our Government Relief Funds and local charities are about to encounter for the THOUSANDS of disrupted families due to the loss of loved ones and their means of support.

Many Emergency Management Departments up and down the East Coast are now on standby. Military medical and disaster crews are on alert, awaiting dispatch. North Carolinians are already planning for their trips North to assist in ALL levels of recovery and assistance operations.

In closing, for those of us who feel the need for togetherness, but do not have the convenience of a pagan circle.

DO NOT FORGET, that places of worship are ALL sacred space. Congregations of souls, no matter what Gods they pray to are in need of comforting and togetherness in prayer.

No matter what kind of altar you light a candle on, no matter what form of clergy you shed tears to, all of us are going through the same spiritual woundings.

Stand with our brothers and sisters and pray. I would think that we're all well aware that no matter where we are, the Gods, no matter what their names will hear us.

I want to see an outpouring of love and faith. Human healing and togetherness. Show the world for once, that we too can grieve without the need to hold ourselves apart from the rest of society. But instead, that our compassion exceeds that which we are believed to posess.

Good night, and Gods Bless America!

Acacia Penardun-MacGrayland
-who will attend religious ceremonies locally this week

Why Did This Administration Give The Latest Gift Of 43 Million Dollars... Sep 12th. at 12:06:29 pm EDT

huntress (New York, New York US) Age: 34

Why did this administration give the latest gift of 43 MILLION Dollars to Afghanistan? And that's on TOP of some 100+ MILION dollars given earlier.

I am a NYC resident and am horrified. Luckily I had a doc's appt. otherwise I'd be witness to the horrible spectacle. I am fearful to return to my midtown office...who knows what the next target is.

I find it ironic (but expected and typical) that all NYC schools, libraries, etc are closed (anywhere where large groups of people exist at once) but that the corporate mentality is "Business as Usual." Well, for today at least I am home!

I of course extend my deepest sympathies to the families of both victims and rescue workers. I have no inspirational or spiritual messages at this time, I guess I'm still in shock...


It Workedit Seems So Unreal Yet So Concrete. ItÕs Like The... Sep 12th. at 12:05:05 pm EDT

Tiamat Dragon (Sunnyvale, California US) Age: 27 - Email

It Worked

It seems so unreal yet so concrete. ItÕs like the web of my world has changed forever. Like my eyes have been opened to such tragedy. I donÕt know any of those people yet I feel so affected. I no longer feel safe in this country. ItÕs like having your home robbed. You know that itÕs most likely that the robber wont return, but you still feel unsafe. I am so scared not only of what has happened, but what we are going to do as a nation. USA Today took a poll and 90% of the people that answered said they wanted war. Okay so we want to make a tragedy worse by killing more of our fellow human beings. I thought that I would have more to say. Last night I was up until 1am because I was so scared. At first when it happened I was shocked and sad and a little scared. Now here I am scared trying to carry out my normal day which many people will never again do. I have been looking at other people in a different light. Those faceless masses have suddenly become so close to me. So many people want blood for blood. But I have always felt that a human life is just as good as any other human life. I am standing here where I could make decisions that would change my life. If we go into war I have to decide whether to an objector and walk around with signs or to flee. Maybe I never should have stayed in such a high profile country to begin with. All my favorite people are here though. ThatÕs one thing. Call me silly, but I feel like if I stay near those that I love I can protect them somehow. Cry out for blood I do not, more so I cry for those whom have lost someone, those whom have died early.

Greetings All I Am At A Loss For Words, Sue (my Mate... Sep 12th. at 12:05:00 pm EDT

Rev Larry Harney (Brooklyn, New York US) Age: 49 - Email

Greetings ALL

I am at a loss for words, Sue (my Mate) and I are home safe, and our family in NYC are safe. It was a long walk home from were we work, but here are some of my thoughts as we walk. For those that don't know Sue and I work for the City of NY as computer consultants. Anyway we were told to go home and started our long walk. Most of it is a blur, but little things stand out. Like the Police Sgt. who took time to help an elderly woman get on a crowded city bus and made sure it was the bus she needed to be on. Like the woman handing out cups of water on 14th street. Like the group of men and women passing out cups of water and cool towels to those who just crossed the bridge on foot. To these people I say "Thank you! Little Things do mean a LOT!!" The one thing that does stand out is our walk across the Williamsburg Bridge. The thousand that crossed with us did not turn around. Eyes were focus forward no one look behind them, it was unreal to see where two buildings once stood, all you could see was the cloud of smoke.

Rev Larry Harney AZ ThA RA MoonSilvered Circles

Today in NYC Rev Susan Davis MoonSilvered Circles

There is a silent sorrow, a numbness that cannot be described. A combination of sensory overload from the 1000's of sirens racing by again and again and the silence of emptied streets where you whisper softly and watch every face.

Hoards of people pass you by, each seeking a way to escape, each person carrying a seed of fear and suspicion that flowers into paranoia growing deeper with each step...until a tiny miracle renews your inner balance. Someone thrusts a damp paper towel into one hand and a small cup of water into the other and urges you to drink and your eyes focus on the world again...

Our eyes meet, so helpless to do anything to really comfort this sorrow, both sets of eyes well with tears and we turn away...but not before a murmured bless you for you gift of which she whispers "How could I do any less?" before handing the next passerby a cup of hope and faith. She wore a star of David, I a pentagram, her helper a crucifix...none of that mattered one bit. Religions and cultures fall to the wayside in a time of crisis, replaced by the knowledge that we are all joined in this moment of horror and pain.

So many lives were lost toady...thousands have perished...millions will never be the same...and all for the ideological beliefs of madmen on the other side of the world who believe that this act of cowardice is a victory for their own small goals. How much more blood will pour from their own people because of this many more innocents will be sacrificed? While a part of me fiercely craves someone to blame and punish...another part of me hopes just as strongly that we never know. If we don't have a target to blame we will not multiply this horror by retaliating against still more innocent lives. If I had those before me who masterminded this attack or helped to carry it out...those I would kill without hesitation...but I cannot face the horror of more mothers and babies, grandparents and toddlers being mowed down as a payback.

I cannot comprehend the morally and spiritually deficit personas that demand "My God, not yours" or "This is MY land, not yours." I cannot quite wrap my brain around the kind of mind that justifies the murder of the innocent for the sake of ANY cause, no matter how worthy. I cannot understand the hearts so full of despite and hatred that they are willing to ill you, me, their own family and friends for the sake of some ideal...or a religion whose teaching encourages this and claims that those who act this way will be given a reward by God.

We are all the creations of can any God demand that some of His/Her creations destroy others of His/Her creation in order to obtain God's favor? I cannot grasp the stupidity and spiritual shallowness that can adopt this belief system...I just cannot. I am too sorrow-ridden and weary to even try. And even on the long slow walk home from the scene of so much horror there were those seeking to incite more violence...cursing one group or another...blaming this one and that one...spewing their hatred and glorying in it.

And the sky was so blue, the breeze so cool today...full of the sounds of birdsong in the empty streets where hundreds of thousands walked on...not knowing how they would get home. We walked to the stridence of the constant scream of sirens and the whispers of terror and shock...slowly making our way home...past the scene of the disaster and out over the of the mass of people slowly making their way on foot toward safety, solace and security.

Perhaps tomorrow I will cry................

MoonSilvered Mom

Please take a moment now and lite a candle so that the way will have light for all those that have found themselves on the other side of the vail.

Thanks AZ ThA RA and TXsueMOM

11pm Eastern Time Thursday: Nationwide Circle Cast/honoringi Live In Buffalo... Sep 12th. at 12:01:12 pm EDT

Stephanie (Buffalo, New York US) Age: 26 - Email

11pm eastern time thursday: Nationwide Circle Cast/Honoring
I live in Buffalo, NY, where we are all afraid of what is to come. We are coordinating a national effort to cast a giant circle around the country at 11pm eastern time tomorrow (Thursday). Please pass this message onto as many people as possible. We're invoking the elements and the directions of the whole country, not just our local area, honoring the dead, asking for the Goddess's protection. Please email me if you have questions or just want to add something. 11pm eastern time thursday: Nationwide Circle cast!

I Felt So Helpless And Horrified As I Watched The Buildings Collapse... Sep 12th. at 11:54:58 am EDT

Merry Arianrhood (West Haven, Connecticut US) Age: 40 - Email

I felt so helpless and horrified as I watched the buildings collapse on TV. I thought about the loss of human life and prayed to the Goddess that as many as possible would be saved and that those who died would not suffer. I sent Light and love out to the families of, and all those involved in the carnage; the passengers on the planes (how horrible to be used as a weapon to kill more innocents), the people in the towers, the people on the ground, the rescue workers who rushed in to do their jobs and were caught in the collapse, the military personnel and federal workers in the Pentagon, and all of the others who were caught in the collateral damage. The outrage and anger that arose as I watched the Palestinians celebrate the deaths and injuries of thousands nearly choked me. It was difficult to remember that I'm on an EVOLVED path and that the Goddess has reasons for everything. Today I feel exhausted, mentally and physically, and even though I live about 75 miles away from the tragedy, you can still feel the ripples of energy from ground zero. Many of my friends could not sleep the night before this happened (myself included) and had feelings of forboding or just a sense of not feeling 'safe'. We realize now why, but what on earth could we have DONE? And that's the cry from all of our hearts and souls. Now we will all pull together and do whatever we are each capable of to help, be it to donate blood or collect clothing and foodstuffs, or simply to pray and do magickal workings to help all those involved. I feel like a huge purging of energy has taken place however, and something has shifted in the psyche of the world that was meant to be shifted, although Goddess help us that it had to be so very traumatic. My anger of yesterday, although still there, has lessened somewhat from the "bomb'em to hell" mentality, and I'm even able to understand how one can lose one's perspective when brainwashed from childhood to believe that America is 'The Great Satan', filled with people who've been portrayed as evil and stupid, by trusted leaders (religious and otherwise). I hope that people will not use this as an excuse to persecute those of Middle Eastern descent or those who practice Islam. My prayers go out to these people as well and I ask the Goddess to fill peoples' hearts with discernment and wisdom, as well as strength, that they may know that the real enemy here is hatred and ignorance.

In My Humble Opinion, Yesterday's Terrorist Attacks Were Bound To Happen. America... Sep 12th. at 11:45:49 am EDT

Dandelion Herzog (Moses Lake, Washington US) Age: 22 - Email

In my humble opinion, yesterday's terrorist attacks were bound to happen. America isn't nearly as strong as it used to, as a result of greedy, weak politicians and public opinion. Whether or not it was a terrorist group attacking on its own, or an actual country attacking: this is what we need to discover. Either way, our enemy already has more soldiers in the U.S. We cannot let down our safety measures: opening the airports and other public mass transportation offices is a big mistake. There will be more attacks from within.

I am all for giving peace a better chance: once we discover who has committed this outrage, we must strike! Terrorism has no place in a peaceful world. If it takes violence, let it be well thought out and carried out in the most succesful way possible. Whatever country defends our enemies must fall... Capture these countries, give them over to the U.N., and strengthen their economies to ensure that this will never happen again.

My thoughts go out to the grieving families, my energy to the rescue workers, and my most political ideals go out to Bush and Powell ;)

When Something So Tragic And Of Such Epic Proportion Occurs, It Is... Sep 12th. at 11:44:44 am EDT

Brenda Starks (Portsmouth , Virginia US) Age: 34

When something so tragic and of such epic proportion occurs, it is difficult to comprehend all at once. I know that I went through "stages" yesterday. The first stage is the sheer shock and horror and then grief and mourning for all of the lives lost. I thought of children who no longer have parents, parents who no longer have children and people who have lost friends and neighbors. Every time I stepped outside of my office, I thought "all of those people got up this morning - and it was a beautiful morning - they all dressed, got children off to school and went to work just like they would any other day". I thought often of my own children throughout the day. As the day wore on, I began to comprehend the "bigger" picture. The panic of a nation, the possibility of more death and even war. I was proud. Proud to be an american. I drew strength and resolve from those people who reported back to work at the Pentagon site today...coworkers are gone, the building is in pieces, yet americans are reporting to work at the Pentagon as a symbol of the resolve, determination, courage and spirit of all american people. Just my presence in this website indicates my beliefs are aligned with others here, but do I really spend the enough time being thankful for the simple things in my life? I am an avid "moon watcher" but I cannot remember the last time I watched the sun rise. For the first time in a long time, I went into my childrens' bedrooms last night and watched them sleep. I had taken for granted how precious and beautiful they are and how blessed I am to be their mom.
I encourage everyone to give blood, pray for the families who lost loved ones and be more thankful than ever for our country and the freedom living in America affords. I am confident that this tragedy will only demonstrate to the rest of the world the resolve, strength and unity of Americans. Where else in the world is such a culturally diverse nation able to pull together the way America does in a time of crisis. Thank you for reading and bless you.

This Does Not Seem Real, It Took A While Before The Full... Sep 12th. at 11:42:41 am EDT

Anfa (Ridgeland, Mississippi US) Age: 22 - Email

This does not seem real, it took a while before the full magnitude of these events slapped me in the face, it took the desperate pleas of a survivor of the WTC calling out to his wife who was also involved to bring the tears to my eyes as he was unsure if she had even survived.

I have been raised pagan, i know no other path but at this moment it all seems to fade away because all I can think of is "blood for blood, " my very spirit calls out that there be justice. I'm not asking for an indiscriminate "witch-hunt" (pardon the use of that particular word) but the calculated, methodical investigation of the events and the punishment of those behind it.
But we have to realize that to blame an entire religion (Islam) or race of people is absurd. Our allies in Turkey are Islamic and condemn this atrocity as the barbaric act it was. And how many American citizens also follow this faith and had nothing to do with it. We must be exacting in our retribution lest we harm innocents as they have done.

In the end this situation has brought out a patriotism I forgot existed and why is it that the most hateful acts trigger the random kindness of our fellow man (ie the blood donations, food and water donations, and other random acts of charity).

I ask that the Goddess embrace all those harmed (directly or indirectly) by these events.
I pray that The Morrigan watch and protect all our fellow citizens in the Armed Forces.
And lastly I beg the Goddess to take my anger from me, so that i may know peace and forgiveness in my heart.

Blessed Be.

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