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911 America: Talking Through The Terror...

Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.

What are your thoughts on these incidents? How are you feeling? Feel free to post any magickal workings or other support gatherings planned in your area.

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11pm Eastern Time Thursday: Nationwide Circle Cast/honoringi Live In Buffalo... Sep 12th. at 12:01:12 pm UTC

Stephanie (Buffalo, New York US) Age: 26 - Email


11pm eastern time thursday: Nationwide Circle Cast/Honoring
I live in Buffalo, NY, where we are all afraid of what is to come. We are coordinating a national effort to cast a giant circle around the country at 11pm eastern time tomorrow (Thursday). Please pass this message onto as many people as possible. We're invoking the elements and the directions of the whole country, not just our local area, honoring the dead, asking for the Goddess's protection. Please email me if you have questions or just want to add something. 11pm eastern time thursday: Nationwide Circle cast!


I Felt So Helpless And Horrified As I Watched The Buildings Collapse... Sep 12th. at 11:54:58 am UTC

Merry Arianrhood (West Haven, Connecticut US) Age: 40 - Email


I felt so helpless and horrified as I watched the buildings collapse on TV. I thought about the loss of human life and prayed to the Goddess that as many as possible would be saved and that those who died would not suffer. I sent Light and love out to the families of, and all those involved in the carnage; the passengers on the planes (how horrible to be used as a weapon to kill more innocents), the people in the towers, the people on the ground, the rescue workers who rushed in to do their jobs and were caught in the collapse, the military personnel and federal workers in the Pentagon, and all of the others who were caught in the collateral damage. The outrage and anger that arose as I watched the Palestinians celebrate the deaths and injuries of thousands nearly choked me. It was difficult to remember that I'm on an EVOLVED path and that the Goddess has reasons for everything. Today I feel exhausted, mentally and physically, and even though I live about 75 miles away from the tragedy, you can still feel the ripples of energy from ground zero. Many of my friends could not sleep the night before this happened (myself included) and had feelings of forboding or just a sense of not feeling 'safe'. We realize now why, but what on earth could we have DONE? And that's the cry from all of our hearts and souls. Now we will all pull together and do whatever we are each capable of to help, be it to donate blood or collect clothing and foodstuffs, or simply to pray and do magickal workings to help all those involved. I feel like a huge purging of energy has taken place however, and something has shifted in the psyche of the world that was meant to be shifted, although Goddess help us that it had to be so very traumatic. My anger of yesterday, although still there, has lessened somewhat from the "bomb'em to hell" mentality, and I'm even able to understand how one can lose one's perspective when brainwashed from childhood to believe that America is 'The Great Satan', filled with people who've been portrayed as evil and stupid, by trusted leaders (religious and otherwise). I hope that people will not use this as an excuse to persecute those of Middle Eastern descent or those who practice Islam. My prayers go out to these people as well and I ask the Goddess to fill peoples' hearts with discernment and wisdom, as well as strength, that they may know that the real enemy here is hatred and ignorance.


In My Humble Opinion, Yesterday's Terrorist Attacks Were Bound To Happen. America... Sep 12th. at 11:45:49 am UTC

Dandelion Herzog (Moses Lake, Washington US) Age: 22 - Email


In my humble opinion, yesterday's terrorist attacks were bound to happen. America isn't nearly as strong as it used to, as a result of greedy, weak politicians and public opinion. Whether or not it was a terrorist group attacking on its own, or an actual country attacking: this is what we need to discover. Either way, our enemy already has more soldiers in the U.S. We cannot let down our safety measures: opening the airports and other public mass transportation offices is a big mistake. There will be more attacks from within.

I am all for giving peace a better chance: once we discover who has committed this outrage, we must strike! Terrorism has no place in a peaceful world. If it takes violence, let it be well thought out and carried out in the most succesful way possible. Whatever country defends our enemies must fall... Capture these countries, give them over to the U.N., and strengthen their economies to ensure that this will never happen again.

My thoughts go out to the grieving families, my energy to the rescue workers, and my most political ideals go out to Bush and Powell ;)


When Something So Tragic And Of Such Epic Proportion Occurs, It Is... Sep 12th. at 11:44:44 am UTC

Brenda Starks (Portsmouth , Virginia US) Age: 34


When something so tragic and of such epic proportion occurs, it is difficult to comprehend all at once. I know that I went through "stages" yesterday. The first stage is the sheer shock and horror and then grief and mourning for all of the lives lost. I thought of children who no longer have parents, parents who no longer have children and people who have lost friends and neighbors. Every time I stepped outside of my office, I thought "all of those people got up this morning - and it was a beautiful morning - they all dressed, got children off to school and went to work just like they would any other day". I thought often of my own children throughout the day. As the day wore on, I began to comprehend the "bigger" picture. The panic of a nation, the possibility of more death and even war. I was proud. Proud to be an american. I drew strength and resolve from those people who reported back to work at the Pentagon site today...coworkers are gone, the building is in pieces, yet americans are reporting to work at the Pentagon as a symbol of the resolve, determination, courage and spirit of all american people. Just my presence in this website indicates my beliefs are aligned with others here, but do I really spend the enough time being thankful for the simple things in my life? I am an avid "moon watcher" but I cannot remember the last time I watched the sun rise. For the first time in a long time, I went into my childrens' bedrooms last night and watched them sleep. I had taken for granted how precious and beautiful they are and how blessed I am to be their mom.
I encourage everyone to give blood, pray for the families who lost loved ones and be more thankful than ever for our country and the freedom living in America affords. I am confident that this tragedy will only demonstrate to the rest of the world the resolve, strength and unity of Americans. Where else in the world is such a culturally diverse nation able to pull together the way America does in a time of crisis. Thank you for reading and bless you.


This Does Not Seem Real, It Took A While Before The Full... Sep 12th. at 11:42:41 am UTC

Anfa (Ridgeland, Mississippi US) Age: 22 - Email


This does not seem real, it took a while before the full magnitude of these events slapped me in the face, it took the desperate pleas of a survivor of the WTC calling out to his wife who was also involved to bring the tears to my eyes as he was unsure if she had even survived.

I have been raised pagan, i know no other path but at this moment it all seems to fade away because all I can think of is "blood for blood, " my very spirit calls out that there be justice. I'm not asking for an indiscriminate "witch-hunt" (pardon the use of that particular word) but the calculated, methodical investigation of the events and the punishment of those behind it.
But we have to realize that to blame an entire religion (Islam) or race of people is absurd. Our allies in Turkey are Islamic and condemn this atrocity as the barbaric act it was. And how many American citizens also follow this faith and had nothing to do with it. We must be exacting in our retribution lest we harm innocents as they have done.

In the end this situation has brought out a patriotism I forgot existed and why is it that the most hateful acts trigger the random kindness of our fellow man (ie the blood donations, food and water donations, and other random acts of charity).

I ask that the Goddess embrace all those harmed (directly or indirectly) by these events.
I pray that The Morrigan watch and protect all our fellow citizens in the Armed Forces.
And lastly I beg the Goddess to take my anger from me, so that i may know peace and forgiveness in my heart.

Blessed Be.


This Is A Response To Evan T.,i Completely Understand You Bloodthirst... Sep 12th. at 11:39:52 am UTC

Shel (Colorado Springs, Colorado US) Age: 30 - Email


This is a response to Evan T.,

I completely understand you bloodthirst, I share it. I have been fighting with myself though because once we stop who does this (and I still cannot discount the wag the dog theory....) there will be another, more sick and twisted, more violent and exacting in his terrorizing. So I cannot give in to the rage, I only hope you can see how pointless it would be to give in to it too. I pray to the Goddess that this was a positive, necessary evil which has repurcussions of a good nature. If I don't pray for that, I will be lost to' the dark side'.

Please focus on the healing and rebuilding, send your energy into that, don't feed the hideous beast of fear that disguises itself in anger.

Pax,
Shel


I Think That We All Should Be As Sympathetic As Possible To... Sep 12th. at 11:37:46 am UTC

Mercury Twillight (Washington D.C.) Age: 13 - Email


I think that we all should be as sympathetic as possible to with family members in those buildings.
As soon as the U.S. knows who has done this, should magick be used in the purpose of stoping , or harming these teerorist?


How Many People Have To Die From Hatred, Bigorty, And Violence? For... Sep 12th. at 11:32:30 am UTC

SparrowHawk (Washington State, Washington US) Age: 22 - Email


How many people have to die from hatred, bigorty, and violence? For even one life to lose is one too many. Who if such an evil heart could do this to humanity at large, to cause so much destruction and pain? It is beyond me to even begin to comprehend such atrocious things could be committed and thought out at all. It goes to show that hatred is a poison; but love and unity are stronger.

We must make sure we keep our wits about us, as hard as it may be with all this chaos which permeates from the rubble...love and light is far stronger than any evil force, or malicious intent; our hearts are our swords and shields as we stand together.

It is imperitive that we donnot perpetuate the cycle ot hate and persecution to those many people who are innocent, for on all sides of the lines many are innocent that suffer from blind hate and vice to commit the same crimes to others perpetrated upon us. For then the cycle would once again conquer us should we bend to the will of hatred. It is the crimes of the few that the innocent lives may suffer for, and this only creates more chaos and pain in a ripple effect.

I will be lighting a candle tonight for all those affected directly by the plane bombings to the Trade Centers, and those who feel almost overwhelming sorrow and shock that have been. Let us all stand together hand in hand with our hearts as shields with fingers of healings, charity, kindness, love and light. My prayers, thoughts, regards, and feelings for such ways shall be for everyone.

Brightest of Blessings In Perfect Love and Perfect Trust,

SparrowHawk


Pagans, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, And Athiests Alike In Rhode Island Are Joining... Sep 12th. at 11:31:41 am UTC

Aradia (Newport, Rhode Island US) Age: 21


Pagans, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, and Athiests alike in Rhode Island are joining in their support of the victims and survivors of these terrible tragedies. Bloodbanks are overwhelmed with people willing to donate blood, the Naval Base in Newport sent over 2 large ships to act as shelters for the wounded. The families of those Rhode Islanders who died on the flights hujacked from Logan Airport in stunned and in mourning today. I would like to post the link to the list of confirmed casualties of the airliners to this message for those who may not have seen it yet.

This is a terrible ordeal that our country is facing, and it is my hope that we can face it and support the efforts to right this wrong as solidly and fervently as possible as a civilian community. We know the military is doing their part, but also the civilians, no matter what their religion may be need to help those in need in whatever way possible.

As posted earlier, there is a gathering in Providence, RI this evening. Please see the post from 9/12/01 by Tempest.

Healing and Supportive Blessings to All this day,

Aradia
House of Annwyn
Providence/Newport, Rhode Island.


After School, Yesterday, The Day Of The Horrible Attacks, There Was A... Sep 12th. at 11:26:29 am UTC

Aelfen Pandora (Chicago, Illinois US) Age: 16 - Email


After school, yesterday, the day of the horrible attacks, there was a poetry club meeting and I managed to make it. Around noon, I wrote this poem that is the whole truth of how I experienced it:

The Day the Sky Silently Screamed

The news came from the ground,
Gasps and dry tears we found.
The land of the free now has a black eye,
Never again to clearly see the SKY.
Lady Liberty has been raped,
I could never again say or write that date.
For we shall always know it as Pearl Harbor Two.
To all those who have died, adieu!
My first thought when I heard the bustle
Was, "John Lennon, Save us!"
After more corruption and new fears,
I stared at the SKY with fretful tears.
The SKY radiated nothingness,
Just clear depression and nothing less.
I perked my ears to hear what I feared most, a plane.
All I heard was the quiet SKY driving me insane.
Of course I knew the danger could be close,
On that day I buried some and gave birth to new hopes.


I Didn't Hear The News Until Late In The Afternoon, And I... Sep 12th. at 11:25:25 am UTC

Jools (Rhyl, England UK) Age: 34 - Email


I didn't hear the news until late in the afternoon, and I sat and watched in horror as the second tower came down. I saw that image again and again in news reports all evening, and I saw the footage of the twisted metal and mound of rubble this morning - but I still can't believe what I saw. The blatant disregard for life is what horrifies me the most - that and the thought that there are still people under all of that, calling on mobile phones for rescue. I know that there are probably British citizens among the dead or injured, and while my heart goes out to the loved ones of those people, my heart also goes out to the American people as a whole - for the loss, the terror and the fear that's been inflicted on you all. Walk in love and light, my not-so-distant brothers and sisters


I'm Still Struggling To Deal With My Concerns About What Happens Now... Sep 12th. at 11:24:19 am UTC

Jenett (St. Paul, Minnesota US) Age: 25 - Email


I'm still struggling to deal with my concerns about what happens now. I've seen so many anguished cries for retaliation, and of anger. And while I can understand where that comes from, they honestly terrify me far more than the original terrorist act.

I am all for punishing those directly involved in this, whether those responsible, those who provided funding, or those who sheltered them. (If, as the news is currently saying, may well be the case). But I don't want to see this taken as an excuse to harm *more* innocent civilians, or taken out on those who happen to be of the same ethnic background as those who may or may not be responsible. We don't know enough yet to be able to make those judgements. What price retaliation, if we lose ourselves and our compassion in the doing?

I hope that everyone who can does something practical - donate blood or money to the Red Cross or through other organizations working to help the victims. I hope that clear heads prevail, and that action is taken only against those responsible, not innocent civilians who were unfortunate to be born in the wrong place at the wrong time, and unable to leave. And most of all, I hope that those who were injured heal, and that those who have lost loved ones receive the love and support of those who care for them, and that we as a country and as a Pagan community (such as it is) can work towards continued compassion and care and mature and considered response, not act out of animal instinct and fear. It is religion that helps to bring us above those baser instincts. I hope that the *helpful* practice of religion - whatever religion - does so now.


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