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Question of the Week: 59 - 9/11/2001

911 America: Talking Through The Terror...

Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.

What are your thoughts on these incidents? How are you feeling? Feel free to post any magickal workings or other support gatherings planned in your area.

WebNote 9/16/2001: Since we launched this on 911 this forum as become laced with powerful inspiration and critical information, feel free to use the search functions on your left to better define the info you are looking for. Search for your area, famous Pagans, key words etc. Also check Wren's Nest News for the latest news related to our community.

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Well, The Attacks Of 9/11 Are Behind Us, And I'm Still... Sep 12th. at 10:29:22 am UTC

Thunder Cloudsong (Lethbridge, Alberta CA) Age: 23 - Email


Well, the attacks of 9/11 are behind us, and I'm still not sure how to react. Or, even how I *am* reacting.

Part of me, some of you know which part, is SCREAMING for Justice. Not so much for Justice, as perhaps vengeance. For the perpetrators of this heinous assault upon all human sensibilities to be brought to task for what they have done.

Part of me is mourning. I don't believe I knew anyone who was killed on this infamous date. But many hundreds, very probably THOUSANDS, of innocent people died today for no good reason. In fact, almost 400 of them may have been firemen and New York's Finest - That psuedonym has a poignant ring to it today - that were in either of the Twin Towers upon their collapse. They died truly as heroes.

Part of me is celebrating. America is scathed, but unbowed and unbroken. This wrong WILL be righted, I believe that with every fibre of my being. In fact, there very well may be some good news in the midst of this atrocity. The plane that crashed to the South-East of Pittsburgh was on a course for either the White House or Camp David. Reports indicate that a man on a cell phone declared to several other passengers that they "couldn't let them do what they're planning" and that perhaps the passengers altered the course of the plane, saving countless more lives. More heroism. Also, 2 men were apprehended in New York, apparently en route to blow up the George Washington Bridge. They had enough explosives in their trucks to more than do the job. They were stopped.

Part of me wants to hope. For survivors. For peace to the families. That nations will overcome the urge to react blindly and instead remain rational. That this is as bad as it's going to get. That the silos will stay closed.

When I sort through all of those feelings, though, there's an overwhelming sense of Violation. That my world has been violated. I've been brought up all my life to believe that Uncle Sam would protect me from any potential harm. That we, in Canada, were safe from assault. That madmen across the globe would never be able to hurt me, because no one would dare strike at my home. Because no one would dare risk bringing down the wrath of my nation's Big Brother and Best Friend, the U.S.A., on their heads.

Today, that illusion of security was shattered forever.

If evil will strike at the very heart of the world's one great Superpower, what's to stop it from striking their complacent, impotent neighbours to the North, the so-called "Moral Superpower"? In truth? Nothing. Nothing but the knowledge that now more than ever, these cowardly acts are first and foremost in the global consciousness. Every government in the world is watching with eagle's eyes for any hint of ANYTHING amiss. In the midst of this chaos, I have become more safe than I've ever been. But this isn't about me... this is about US.

This crime against humanity has galvanized all the world, but particularly us in North America. Every flag in this Southern Alberta town of 65, 000 is at half-staff today. Canada, Mexico, even CUBA have offered the United States access to airfields, airports, aid, humanitarian relief, rescue workers... we became a continent undivided today, despite the closure of all borders. We became US, instead of us, them, you, and those guys. If any good came from this catastrophe, it's this.

I, and many others like me across the world and across North America, stand side by side with my American brothers and sisters and cry for justice. For a reason WHY. And as we sift through the rubble that 48 hours ago were symbols of western power and prosperity, we all remain in a state of shock mixed with steadily increasing rage. We are NOT defeated. The buildings came down, but democracy remains standing strong. Freedom remains standing strong. And despite all of our differences, the people of North America today are one. WE WILL OVERCOME.

That which does not kill us makes us stronger. We are not dead. Evil has not won the day, because we are still here. And when we take our eyes off the rubble and turn them towards finding the culprits, THEN Justice will be done.

In the name of all the gods who ever were... NO MORE.

Cloudy


First And Foremost, My Thoughts And Prayers Go Out To The Victims... Sep 12th. at 10:23:30 am UTC

RuneWolf (Reston, Virginia US) Age: 43 - Email


First and foremost, my thoughts and prayers go out to the victims of these heinous atrocities and their suffering families. Whatever I can do to help I will do, and I know that every responsible Pagan out there will do the same.

Second, well, IÕm not what you would call a ÒLove, Light and LifeÓ type of Pagan. In the Northern Traditions there can be only one response to what has happened: Blood for blood. I do not endorse nor suggest indiscriminate violence, but a price Ð a heavy, heavy price - must be extracted for what has been done. The spirits of all who have died, the spirits of all who still suffer and will continue to suffer for uncounted days, months and years to come, cry out for no less.


My Sincere Wishes Of Love And Blessings To All Those Affected By... Sep 12th. at 10:17:59 am UTC

Avalonia (London, UK, England UK) Age: 28


My sincere wishes of Love and Blessings to all those affected by the events in the USA on 11 September.

May the Goddess hold you all tightly in her arms.

With Love and Blessings,
Sorita

http://www.avalonia.co.uk


I Remeber Yesterday: We Came Back From Gym Class, Sweating And Exhausted... Sep 12th. at 10:16:38 am UTC

Tree (Libertyville, , Illinois US) Age: 17 - Email


I remeber yesterday: We came back from gym class, sweating and exhausted from running, but yet laughing and in good spirit. Suddenly, a announcement came through. Oh great, I thought, What do they have to say now?!

But instead of the expected sports events, we were told that two planes had crashed into the towers of the world trade center, and one into the pentagon. I do not remember, what thoughts went through my head that moment, but I know that it took me longer than most people to grasp the signifincance of this catastrophy. Never had a passing period been so quiet, so subdued than this one. Next period, my teacher had turned on the radio, and we all sat there, praying, hoping, some crying, listening to catastropy after catastropy happening.

And I sat there, wondering how a human being can do this, what kind of twisted mind came up with this plan. But also realizing that of all the creatures on this planet, only humans can inflict such pain to their own race.

And at his point i want to beg of all of you, don't jump to conclusions of who is responsible. Realize that the actions of a goverment very often have nothing to do with their people. Don't lash out in anger at those innocent people who happen to have the same religion or race than those who did this terrible deed. Yes, justice has to be served. But leave this to those people who have the resources to identify the attackers. All we can do is pray and hope.


My Heart Goes Out To All Of Those Affected By The Tragedy... Sep 12th. at 10:12:29 am UTC

Silver (Calgalry, Alberta CA) Age: 19


My heart goes out to all of those affected by the tragedy which we all witnessed yesterday. We must all support each other and help everyone to overcome the fear which we all feel for what tomorrow will bring. We must pray for those who have lost their lives, and for those who are fighting to triumph over their injuries which they sustained in that horrible attack. I just want all Americans to know that we as Canadians are doing our best to help out by donating blood to the victims. May the Goddess bless each and every one.


I Am An Young Pagan As Well As A Soldier In The... Sep 12th. at 10:11:16 am UTC

EVAN TERMUHLEN (CINCINNATI, Ohio US) Age: 21


I AM AN YOUNG PAGAN AS WELL AS A SOLDIER IN THE U.S. ARMY. I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A VERY PATRIOTIC INDIVIDUAL AND WHENEVER TERRORISTS ATTACKS TAKE PLACE ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD MY HEART IS SADDENED. THIS ATTACK HAS SPARKED MANY EMOTIONS IN ME AND I CANT HELP BUT FEEL A GREAT AMOUNT OF RAGE, AND DISGUST. I, AS A SOLDIER AM HOPING FOR NOTHING BUT WAR ON THOSE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ATTACK. AS A PAGAN THAT IS FAIRLY NEW TO THE PATH, DOES ANYONE BELIEVE I AM WRONG FOR WANTING BLOOD FOR BLOOD?

B.B.


I Don't Think Words Can Express My Grief, But I Will Try... Sep 12th. at 10:08:51 am UTC

Anastasia Fortea (Las Vegas, Nevada US) Age: 20 - Email


I don't think words can express my grief, but I will try. I grew up in Indiana in a small town. I looked towards New York as the strength and pride of our nation. The statue of Liberty the proudly proclaims our freedom. The Financial District that makes helping other countries out possible. The WTC as a wonderful place for all.

I am a travel agent by occupation, I have always loved sending people to New York for their first time. Now as of yesterday all I could think of "Who did I send? Were they there? Did I say thank you for your business and friendship before they left?"

This has left a scar on my heart, and though in no way can I be accountable, I know, but I can't help but feel the grief from our nation. Whispering in the breeze today is of pain and confusion and loss.

I have never agreed with war, in my whole life. However today I have lost some of that niaveness. Never again will I question another declaration... For religion or freedom, the pain of loss drives the cause. I feel saddened by this. I feel the need to find the people at whatever cost.

Right now all I can say is this, May their souls be lifted and blessed in the next life to come. May the families find relief of grief in the goddess' hand. May we as a nation never take for granted another life as precious as their's was.

Blessed Be.


It Seem So Unreal Like We Are Looking At Footage Of Another... Sep 12th. at 10:03:11 am UTC

meg (milton, New Jersey US) Age: 21 - Email


IT seem so unreal like we are looking at footage of another country and then you see the empire state building in the background. To think of all the people who lost thier lives and to to try to feel safe again, I only feel safe praying that the Mother is holding me and everyone close an tight.


Because Of My Work, Much Of My Daily Life Is Focused On... Sep 12th. at 9:53:15 am UTC

Caro (Philo, Illinois US) Age: 28


Because of my work, much of my daily life is focused on social concerns, violence, and trauma. I'm in the habit of looking at horrible events and puzzling out an explanation that makes some sense to me, a way of thinking about our world that helps me understand the bigger picture.

Today, I find that I can't do this. I can't think about anything but the people trapped in the crumbling towers, the courage of the people who helped save themselves and others, and the sacrifice of the emergency workers who died. I can only see the personal, and not the political. And perhaps that is as it should be, for these attacks are deeply personal.

It's true that we live in a violent world, that we are a violent people. But we are also a people of creativity, ingenuity, and passion. My thoughts today have wandered far and wide, and along the way, I found some hope. That hope comes from knowing that this horror is not new. It is one day in a long history of barbaric acts in human society. But the unredeemable barbarism also somehow calls into being our grace and courage.


Appalled,horrified,shocked... Sep 12th. at 9:44:48 am UTC

Warmage (Delbarton, West Virginia US) Age: 52 - Email


Appalled, Horrified, Shocked,


I Just Find It So Ironic That The Word "islam" Is Arabic... Sep 12th. at 9:33:32 am UTC

Ross Duffy (Southend-on-Sea, England UK) Age: 16 - Email


I just find it so ironic that the word "Islam" is Arabic for "peace."
May the grace of Her hand pass over all affected.
Ross
xoox
PS. Out of the most atrocious, wicked acts, something can be learnt, and some good can come out of it.


Brighter Days To All...i Lost An Old Friend In Manhattan Yesterday... Sep 12th. at 9:33:16 am UTC

Vaj Korsen (Philadelphia, Pennsylvania US) Age: 33


Brighter days to all...
I lost an old friend in Manhattan yesterday. He is missing and presumed dead. He was a stockbroker in NYC, he was from a family of Cuban Emigrants who came to America for freedom. He worked hard and long to become a succesful stockbroker. He lived the American dream. He was also a amateur Body-Builder and was a carpenter who often donated his services to Habitat for Humanity. He was also a practitioner of Santeria, who firmly believed in the spirits and Jesus Christ.
I am FURIOUS that he is gone, and so many more are gone or missing. He NEVER had a bad thing to say about anyone. He always felt the best rule to live by was live and let live.
Today is September 12th...on this day I was born in Weehawken, NJ..right across the river from New York City. As I grew up, I always remembered and looked for the World Trade Center's Twin Towers on the New York skyline. Even when I moved to Philadelphia, when I visited friends in NJ, i would always look for the great towers of my youth. Now I miss my big Cuban friend. I also miss my 2 giant steel friends on Vesey and Church Streets in Lower Manhattan's Financial district


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