Your browser does not support script

Pagan Perspectives



Weekly Question

Question of the Week: 113

Pagan Problem Children: What Can We Do About Them?

Views: [32,767]
Responses: [2,666]

The Rules
Note: The opinions posted on the Pagan Perspective pages are those of individuals and are not neccessarily shared or endorsed by the Witches' Voice inc.

For Further
Discussion
Visit The


WitchVox List
of 242
Communication
'Net Sites:


Chat Boards
Email Lists
IRC Channels


Past Questions
112. Elders: Who Are They and Do We Really Need Them? - [74]

111. So, You’re Dead. Now What? - [59]

110. What’s Your Favorite Element? - [119]

109. The Broom Closet Revisited: What’s Your Current Occupancy Rate? - [129]

108. Do You Speak Pagan Geek? - [38]

107. Would You Be A Good ‘Reality Show’ Contestant? - [49]

106. What Is Your Inner Animal? - [127]

105. Are Pagans TOO Individualistic? - [56]

104. Have You Changed Your Mind About the War in Iraq? - [258]

103. What Are You Reading? - [95]

102. Do Interfaith Conferences/ Discussions Work? - [29]

101. Have You Made Any Extra Security Preparations? - [85]

100. Why Are You A Pagan or Heathen? - [142]

99. What Moon Phase Are You In? - [70]

98. Would You Live In A Haunted House? - [166]

97. What Natural Objects Are On Your Altar? - [103]

96. If You Were Granted Three Wishes... - [179]

95. How Do You Feel About War? - [153]

94. Who Would Make Your Pagan/Heathen Who’s Who List? - [91]

93. Should Pagans Apply For Federal Funds? - [56]

92. What Do You See in 2003? - [47]

90. Which Christmas Ghost Would You Like To Be? - [82]

89. Bah-Humbug! Are You Offended by Christmas? - [173]

88. Are We Alone in The Universe? - [67]

87. The Pagan Web 2002... Your likes? Dislikes? - [50]

86. How’s Your Gratitude Attitude? - [64]

85. What’s Your Motivation? - [97]

84. Between the Veils: What Did You See? - [80]

83. Time to Talk Politics and Elections… - [109]

82. Your Samhain/Beltaine Musings - [50]

81. ExCUSE Me! Has Common Courtesy Become A Thing of the Past? - [97]

80. Polytheist, Monotheist, Dualist or Other? - [104]

79. Have You Switched Pagan Paths? - [110]

78. Would You Take Part in a Public Event or Protest AS a Pagan? - [268]

77. Pot-Kettle: Do We Have Our Own Fundamentalists? - [91]

76. America 911: One Year Later. What's Changed? Are we Safer? - [103]

75. So What Do YOU Think of the Pagan Web? - [43]

74. What is/was your 2002 New Year's resolution - [23]

73. Do You Believe in Faeries? - [44]

72. Is 'Peace on Earth and Good Will Toward Men' Possible? - [28]

71. How Do YOU View the Balance of Light and Dark? - [22]

70. What's News? - [22]

69. What Are Your Favorite Yule Traditions or Memories? - [17]

68. Are You Wild About Harry? - [80]

67. What Is Music? - [18]

66. What Did You Do this Samhain? - [8]

65. What ARE the most "Frequently Asked Questions' About Witches? - [31]

64. What Are YOUR book/video/dvd Recommendations? - [119]

63. Have You Done Any Protection Spells or Workings? - [38]

62. What Are Your Thoughts On The Current "War on Terrorism"? - [77]

61. Are You Willing To Give Up Some Civil Liberties To Be Safe? - [69]

60. What About Those Pagan Leaders Again? - [289]

59. 911 America: Talking Through The Terror... - [969]

58. What Are Your Plans For Fall? - [21]

57. If You Were Stranded Alone On A Deserted Island... - [56]

56. What Would You Like to See at The Voice? - [65]

55. What Lies Beyond? - [28]

54. What is the connection between Spirit, Nature and Humankind? - [18]

53. What is 'Will' or 'Willpower'? - [19]

52. Have you ever been to a Pagan Festival? - [26]

51. What Did You Think of 'The Mists of Avalon"? - [44]

50. What's Your Magickal Focus? - [33]

49. Ending Religious Discrimination-What's It Gonna Take? - [41]

48. How Fares The First Amendment? - [20]

47. Are you a Talker or a Listener? - [14]

46. Predator and Prey - What Beasts Live Within You? - [44]

45. Who Do You Trust? - [22]

44. Do You Spend Money with Pagan Merchants? - [24]

43. What's On Your Balloon? - [52]

42. Is There An Energy Crisis? - [30]

41. What Makes You So Special? - [33]

40. What is Your Guilty Little Secret? - [101]

39. Who Are Your Gods? - [55]

38. What Are The Greatest Challenges That Pagans Face Today? - [35]

37. What's On Your Altar? - [45]

36. Should the United States Apologize to China - [32]

35. Pagan Web Surfing Likes/Dislike - [60]

34. What Are Your Views on Abortion, Euthanasia and Suicide? - [95]

33. What Is The Appropriate Response to Bigotry and Religious Hatred? - [108]

32. Why Are Kids Killing Kids? - [60]

31. Whassa Matter With Kids Today? - [71]

30. What Do You Support and Why Do You Support It? - [21]

29. How About Some New Holidays? - [39]

28. Where Did You Get Your Magickal Name? - [93]

27. Where Are The Pagan Social Programs? Do We Care? - [22]

26. What Do You Think About Bush's 'Faith-Based' Initiative Plan? - [87]

25. What Are The Boundaries? - [26]

24. What is Pagan History and What is Pagan Belief? - [44]

23. Who or What is a "Pagan Leader"? - [61]

22. What More Do You Want To Know About Paganism? - [45]

21. What is/was your New Year's resolution? - [19]

19. What do YOU of our newest entry into the Presidential Political Pool? - [61]

20. What have YOU done to trace your family history? - [11]

18. Your Gift, Craft and Holiday Celebration Ideas! - [43]

17. Does Older Equal Better? - [199]

16. What is the best gift that you ever received? - [28]

15. What are YOU Thankful For? - [87]

14. The Unresolved US Election - [263]

13. Divination - [29]

12. Pagan Choice for the y2k US Election - [129]

11. Hollywood Hype - [74]

10. Money and the Craft - [82]

9. Pagan Jokes and Humorous Stories - [37]

8. Misconceptions About Witches, Wiccans and Pagans - [63]

7. The Ethics of Magick and Spellwork - [43]

6. What are YOU planning for Mabon-Autumn Equinox? - [14]

5. Pagan books/web sites-dynamic or drivel? - [46]

4. The Broomcloset-In or Out?... What's YOUR View? - [181]

3. Church and State, Religion in School... What is YOUR View? - [122]

2. How Do You Define Witch/WitchCraft? - [42]

1. Who are you going to vote for and why? - [233]



















 Author:    Posted: Nov. 17, 2002   This Page Viewed: 4,701,930  

Vox Q Stats

Times Viewed: 32,767

Reponses: 129

Lurker/Post Ratio: 254 to 1

Question of the Week: 109 - 5/7/2003

The Broom Closet Revisited: What’s Your Current Occupancy Rate?

Are you living more or less in the broom closet since last year? Does the current political climate make you more or less open about your beliefs with strangers or casual acquaintances than you used to be?

Are you worried or have you ever seriously considered that a modern day ‘witch hunt’ might target Pagans in the next few months/years?

Have you taken extra precautions to protect your private information or Pagan identity on the internet? At work? In your neighborhood?

Are you more or less inclined to speak up and/or identify yourself as a Pagan when discussing or writing about political, religious or social issues these days?

 Reponses:   There are 129 responses posted to this question. Reverse Sort 


Come Out, Come Out, Wherever You Are May 9th. at 7:24:04 am EDT

Selena (Findlay, Ohio) Age: 47 - Email - Web


I think the time of broom closets is long past. Our generation is on the leading edge of true religious freedom. This means bumps in the road for any who stand up and out for what they believe. Yes, it's difficult at times, putting up with jokes, discrimination, harassment. I have been "out" for years. All my family and friends know I am Wiccan and have accepted the fact. But it wasn't luck that brought me to this point. It was years of standing firm in what I believe, not wavering in the face of judgement and walking the talk. Actions speak much louder than words. And fear is our only enemy. If we hide our faith, beliefs, rites and pentacles, those who would oppose us will think we have something to hide. I'm not talking about shouting from the mountaintops "I'm a Witch, here me roar!!" I'm talking about being an example of what our religion truly means. And allowing others to see that we are a life loving people and have much to contribute to society, politics and humanity.


I Am In The Broom Closet May 9th. at 2:42:52 am EDT

bryan (Gates county NC) Age: 17 - Email


well i am in the broom closet still. some people know like my parents and my sister. i feel like we are losing our freedoms everyday. i don't want to come out i feel safer in here but if i do i will. its time we stand up and say we are here and save our freedoms. i feel like the president is the pagans or wiccans worst oppite. he favers the chirsten faith then anyother faiths and belefes. i think next time its time to vote we need a president who is open to all faiths.


Never Had A Closet May 9th. at 2:35:03 am EDT

Tarbh Nathroch (Eastern Mass, USA) Age: 32 - Email


Being raised in a hard core Roman Catholic family, I mean they wouldn’t even pierce their ears cause the Bible says not to harm your body, and doing K through 8th grade in a Catholic school. I was a bit nervous about being honest with my family about no longer doing the Catholic thing. Being beaten by nuns for nine years will have that affect. I was pleasantly surprised when my parents said “as long as you believe in something and treat people as you would be treated. Do what will make you happy.” I have not really ever run into any actual prejudice, mostly just ignorance and ignorance can be fixed within one conversation. The funniest example from my life. While talking to a Harie Krishna (sp??) at an airport, if you can believe that, he asked what religion I currently was. ( I like talking to people of different beliefs, they all have something to teach. Especially someone with the strength to subject themselves to constant rejection and ridicule like the Krishnas or Jehovah’s Witnesses.) Well I told him I was Wiccan. “Huh, a what?” A witch I tell him. His response “Oh, That’s not good at all. To worship or glorify evil is never a good thing.” I had to tell him that that was the most ignorant statement I’ve ever heard, especially coming from someone who’s religion is a joke to 95% of the population. I was treated far worse when my hair was blue than any display of belief. Strength to those of you who are having a hard time of it.


In And Out May 9th. at 12:41:56 am EDT

Angel (Sweetwater, TN) Age: 21 - Email


I am in and out of the closet. I don't really make any effort to hide my beliefs, but I don't go out of my way to advertise them, either. If somebody asks, I tell them; otherwise, I keep it to myself.

Due to the current political climate, I have probably become more open; when I'm angry about something, I tend not to keep silent about it.

I do not really consider something like a "modern-day witch hunt" likely. However, I do believe some amount of discrimination exists. Also, small pockets of hate crimes may spring up, though they would involve only tiny percentages of the population. At the moment, I consider a witch hunt more likely to be perpetrated against Muslims.


Door Is Closing May 9th. at 12:19:10 am EDT

mike (usa) Age: 20 - Email


I never use to worry i told my family the day i decided to be a Witch what i was doing. Now however i am begging to worry. I notice there is alot more christian t.v then there use to be and no pagan t.v . That to me is just a worning sighn. Now new bills being passed both surrounding and not surrounding religion are begging to make me sweat. bottom line the more things start to sway the more i start to close the door. this time i think that we can't sit by and watch them take loved ones away to be hanged or burned. if we see something comming up we need to make somekind of stand. As of right now i say that i am sending positive energy tword the whole situation and that i hope it all works out. Stay Safe


I Fell Into The Broomcloset May 8th. at 11:54:31 pm EDT

goddess_eve (Raleigh, NC) Age: 20 - Email


I am a Pagan. I am a Witch. My religion of choice is Wicca. But after a long embittered fight to leave the broom closet, I have found myself quietly going back in. It started in such small ways. After informing my Christian family about my choices they asked that I not bring it up or have any items in their home out of repect for their beliefs. I agreed that while I lived there that there would be no signs to alert my baby brother or granfather to what had happened. When I left their home, I was excited to finally come back out. I found that when you are stuggling for food and work that religion takes a back burner. Now I am secure in my living situation, I have found myself afraid to wear my pentacle to work. I don't discuss any religous opinion if it comes up around people that I don't know. I have felt like such a hypicrite by doing this. I am currently trying to connect with pagans in my area in hope that it will get me out yet again. I want my son to live and grow in a atmosphere that supports the Great Goddess, but right now my life does not reflect it. I am not sure when I can be open again. Before, I had nothing to lose. Now I have my livlihood and my son to protect from the horrors of the day. One day I'll be open again, but not today.


A Long Time May 8th. at 10:54:41 pm EDT

Mathias Schenck (Eugene, Oregon) Age: 22 - Email


There was never a closet for me. I have been different from most of my friends and colleges for some time, but they (for the most part) have always known that I was a witch. Of course my parents did not know, but I made a point to talk to my mother about my religous choice. Pro-tem that included my father since they tell each other everything. Her first question for me was "You still belive in God, right?" I answered in the best way a 16 yearold can (I think. I told her that to me all gods were faces of one god, and all goddesses the face of one goddess. It is amazing how someone can be supportive in a quite way, and how important that can be to you; Even if you never fully relize it.
"The truth will set you free." Untill reacently I have never comprehended the full meaning of this statement. You must be truthful to yourself as well as everyone else in order to truly understand yourself. This of course means that I will tell someone who askes me exatly what I am, and how I feel on the subject of religion. I know my religion is different than some mainstream ones, and I know that there is prejudgice and hate. But my feeling is that If I act with peace, and love, then others will eventully get the point that some of the fudimental beliefs in every religion actually have a point to them and should be andheired to. Just the mild rablings of a sometimes philosophical man,
May the Lord and Lady smile upon all,
Mathias


I Work For The Government, , I'm A Witch, Get Used To It! May 8th. at 10:27:10 pm EDT

Rita (Maryland) Age: 46 - Email


I have been Wiccan for over 30 years. At one time, especially while raising a child, I kept that information secret. While my son was raised with Wiccan beliefs, he really didn't call himself "Witch". Only after he was 16.

I have worked for the State Government for 23 years. In the last 10 years, I've felt very open about my beliefs, and have not attempted to hide my religion. And, this is a very conservative government that I work for. Some people know, some don't. I'm very highly placed in my position, yet have not been challenged about my beliefs. But, my "boss" is very right-winged, and if he knew about my specific Witch leanings, (or if he were intelligent enough to recognize the signs) , he would be horrified and douse me with either holy water or the flames of eternal damnation. Which brings me to my final statement:

When I leave this job, as I plan to do within one year, I will triumphantly march into his office and announce that "while you have had your head up your butt espousing family values and Christianity (while quietly screwing the hell out of the voters) , I have been in this office, and I'm a Witch! And I'm the GOOD GUY!"


My Broom Closet Is Too Small For Take-off. ^_ May 8th. at 10:04:38 pm EDT

Bonny (Oklahoma) Age: 23 - Email


I'm a cashier at a retail store, so I get quite a few comments on the pentacle and solomon's seal that I typically wear. (you'd be surprised how many people think I'm Jewish) But that doesn't slow me down a beat. In fact, I've had many customers actually walk away grinning when I share with them the true meaning of the symbols. It gets them thinking. You can see it in their eyes.
Then again, I've also been confronted by the "other" type.

We were doing customer surveys at the store for a while, and my scores were absolutely horrible. My boss suggested that I HIDE my pentacle and see what happens. My scores improved tremendously when it was out of view.
So, in that respect, I regretfully have to remain in the closet for my own good at times.
However, Mother is waking up, .. and we are all slowly and groggily becoming more tolerant of one another.
I believe that awareness is the key.
People fear what they do not understand, after all.
I take it upon myself to inform people. And many of them, .. appreciate every minute of it.


Is That Light I See Peeking Around The Doorknob? May 8th. at 9:52:37 pm EDT

Laura (Massachusetts) Age: 25 - Email


Okay, so I'm not out of the closet yet, but I'm getting there. One of the things - ironically - that holds me back and yet keeps me going out that door is that pesky stereotype for Witches/Wiccan/Pagans/whatever. I don't want to be grouped into the goth subculture simply because so many of us find solace there. Popular culture seizes on the easy answer of "misguided youth that are rebelling agianst the establishment." It is easy, perhaps too easy to say that all Pagans must dress in black, listen to loud rock music, commune with crystals, wear at least 2 pounds of sterling silver at all times, . That's not in my BOS! (Although that might be fun . . . ) I also want to fight that stereotype by being myself: Pagan, proud, yet private.
One of my friends calls me a stealth Pagan. I have a bumper sticker on my car with a quote from "The Wicker Man" I wear a triple-moon pendant rather than a pentacle and I tend to doodle Theban or astrological symbols on the edges of notepads. To anyone on this path I might as well be holding up a billboard proclaiming my religion. Yet at the same time this keeps me safe from the eyes of those who wouldn't understand. (I paraphrase here) " The best to place to hide is in plain sight." I can be myself, within a certain socially-accepted standard of normality.
As to whether I think there will ever be outright persecution for Pagans, there is always the chance, but I consider it less and less likely. My personal opinion (for what it's worth) is that many ENJOY the feeling of belonging to a group of people that they perceive to fighting for religious freedom. It's exciting, it's romantic, and most of all it's another stereotype. Yes, we are trying to establish our place in the agnostic mish-mash that is our current social climate. But being paranoid about a potential montheistic rumble is a waste of all our energies. I think there is just too much going on for the average person to care overly much what their neighbor does in their spare time. When we lived in small groups, what our neighbor did was vitally important. I personally couldn't tell you what my neighbor does for a living, yet we've lived next to other for years. The few people not in Paganism who I've told about my religious beliefs are very much along the lines of "If it works for you, great, but I really don't want to know that much." This is not to say I live in fluffy-bunny land. I have been discriminated against, but those who have (luckily) have not been in a position to do more than spread nasty rumours that anyone who has ever met would know to be false.
When talking, writing, etc, I tend to not put that I am a Pagan unless directly asked. It's that steroetype again; I want to be identified by my ideas first, then my religion. I'm a person, not a faith.
I still am hesitant to discuss my beliefs with casual friends or strangers. If I were Jewish and said so, would that make a difference to you? Maybe if you were Jewish too, but more likely you would just file that fact away along with my hair color or skin color. Hopefully as more people learn that Pagans are just as normal (?) as the jogger thay pass on the street everyday, the old hippy selling homemade juice from the back of his van, or even their child's school teacher, they won't react with surprise, just acceptance.


Local Withc Hunt?? May 8th. at 9:33:40 pm EDT

Suzanne Williams (Draper, Virginia) Age: 29 - Email


I usually could care less what people think of me or if they even think at all. I don't waive a flag that says "hey, look at me, and I dare you to say anything about me" no, should I share my views or opinions with people privately or publicly...I do so knowing fully well that they also have theirs.

Yesterday, my daughter answers the phone and loudly proclaims it's someone looking for a poison...yeah, ok, even she was giggling...but, instead of looking for a specific poison... (whew! I was really hoping she misunderstood them!) I was instead questioned as to where I lived and in a very inquistive way I asked if I could be of any help. I am instructed that the caller is calling not for himself, but for his mother. The family is a local restaurant owners and the entire top floor of their business is a large manger display with the typical triple cross display. Apparently, they "found" a contact card I share with those in the craft/or those with the same herbal curiosities that I have.

This would be the second time this year that a religiously based inquiry was pointed my way. Maybe I am paranoid or even overprotective of my personal business...but, I feel it is time for all the closets to swing open loud and proud in my area...a preemptive strike against the arrogance and politically religous based government in the area...yes, I said it...the church's are looking for "witch's", only they don't know what they are looking for. I propose an educational based demonstration of the pagan practices in the area to show unity through diversity and to prove we are not all out to steal their children and warp the values of this community.

I am not the only one feeling the crunch in this area, I receive emails from others close by who long for the day they can wear a robe to the store on their way to a meeting just as someone else might wear their local church's tee'shirt to the local football game displaying all their good deeds and accomplishments. Or how about those fish stickies on the cars!!! Heck, I am a member of the eastern star and get fliars stuck to my windshield proclaiming me as a satan worshippers and/ or worse!

I am tired of the closet, baby! Let's mount those brooms and fly...united we fly, divided...well, we fly alone!


Dont Have A Closet Really May 8th. at 8:13:46 pm EDT

lilith (lost angeles) Age: 33 - Email


i am old fashioned and more or less refuse to advertise in an overt way that i am a witch. i wear jewelry with tiny pentagrams from time to time. i get more flak for my goth clothes and hair than i get for any pagan/witchypoo symbol i wear.

i dont consider that im in a closet. i dont believe in proslytizing, never did, so i dont think its critical that i be open about something that is a personal path. however if the subject comes up i have no problem weighing in as a witch. its irrelevant to me what other people think of me. i never feel in danger.

as for politics, i never approach politics from what i would consider a pagan or witchy point of view. i keep my politics upright and back it up with logic and facts, not with my spiritual bents or beliefs. when i was a fundamentalist christian i believed firmly in the absolute separation of church and state, and as a witch i believe the same thing, for the same reasons. so where i am coming from personally has little bearing on my politics, which have always been pretty much the same. i was always an environmentalist, always a feminist, always a gun-ownership advocate, always pro-choice, and always anti-militarist. those are political positions-- i never thought other christians should feel the way i felt, and i dont feel other witches or pagans should feel the way i feel. i dont believe they have anything to do with my spiritual path, or anyone elses. that my spiritual path may have heightened my awareness of some of these aspects of my political life is also personal.

so, the broom closet, well, okay, so my mom doesnt know im a witch, so two of my three sisters dont know, so my dad doesnt know. im not open about it with most of my friends. and i dont think i would be one of those people who would show up at a pagans-for-peace rally or something like that. but i dont think thats necessary to my life, so like i say, i dont consider that im in the closet. if i were a lesbian and had a girlfriend after years of not telling anyone i was a lesbian i would simply show up and tell people she was my girlfriend and everyone would think i had been in the closet all those years when really i just never thought it was important until the girlfriend showed up. thats just me.


 1    2    3    4    5    6    7    8    9    10    11  


Pagan Essays
1996-2014





Pagan Web
8,000 Links





Pagan Groups
Local Covens etc.





Pagan/Witch
80,000 Profiles














Home - TWV Logos - Email US - Privacy
News and Information

Chapters: Pagan/Heathen Basics - Pagan BOOKS - Traditions, Paths & Religions - Popular Pagan Holidays - TV & Movies - Cats of the Craft - Festival Reviews - Festival Tips - White Pages (Resources) - Issues/Concerns - West Memphis 3 - Witch Hunts - Pagan Protection Tips - Healing Planet Earth

Your Voices: Adult Essays - Young Pagan Essays - Pagan Perspectives (On Hold) - WitchWars: Fire in the Craft - Gay Pagan - Pagan Parenting - Military - Pagan Passages

Pagan Music: Pagan Musicians - Bardic Circle at WitchVox - Free Music from TWV

Vox Central: About TWV - Wren: Words, Wrants and Wramblings - Guest Rants - Past Surveys - A Quest for Unity

Weekly Updates: Click HERE for an index of our weekly updates for the past 6 years

W.O.T.W. - World-Wide Networking

Your Town: A Link to YOUR Area Page (The largest listing of Witches, Pagans, Heathens and Wiccans on the Planet)

VoxLinks: The Pagan Web: 8,000 Listings

Your Witchvox Account: Log in Now - Create New Account - Request New Password - Log in Problems

Personal Listings: Pagan Clergy in Your Town - Adult Pagans - Young Pagans - Military Pagans

Events: Circles, Gatherings, Workshops & Festivals

Covens/Groups/Orgs: Local Groups Main Page

Other LOCAL Resources: Local Shops - Regional Sites - Local Notices - Global/National Notices - Local Skills & Services - Local Egroups - Political Freedom Fighters

Pagan Shopping: Online Shops Index - Original Crafters Sites - Auction Sites - Pagan Wholesalers - Pagan Local Shops



Web Site Content (including: text - graphics - html - look & feel)
Copyright 1997-2014 The Witches' Voice Inc. All rights reserved
Note: Authors & Artists retain the copyright for their work(s) on this website.
Unauthorized reproduction without prior permission is a violation of copyright laws.

Website structure, evolution and php coding by Fritz Jung on a Macintosh G5.

Any and all personal political opinions expressed in the public listing sections (including, but not restricted to, personals, events, groups, shops, Wren’s Nest, etc.) are solely those of the author(s) and do not reflect the opinion of The Witches’ Voice, Inc. TWV is a nonprofit, nonpartisan educational organization.

Sponsorship: Visit the Witches' Voice Sponsor Page for info on how you
can help support this Community Resource. Donations ARE Tax Deductible.
The Witches' Voice carries a 501(c)(3) certificate and a Federal Tax ID.

Mail Us: The Witches' Voice Inc., P.O. Box 341018, Tampa, Florida 33694-1018 U.S.A.