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Who are you going to vote for and why?

Which political platform or candidate are you leaning towards? Do you think that a level of political involvement is important to pagans? Are you registered to vote, will you vote and who -if you don't mind telling the world- are you planning to vote for (or against)?

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I Think That Voting For A Ticket That Has A Orthodox Jew... Aug 10th. at 11:14:18 pm UTC

Oriole (Milford, Connecticut US) Age: 44


I think that voting for a ticket that has a Orthodox Jew on it greatly decreases the chances that your children will be forced to recite the" Lords Prayer", and otherwise made to bend to THIER religion, every day in school.


As Both A Veteran And A Pagan I Feel That The Right... Aug 10th. at 9:51:33 pm UTC

Chris Kadish (Raleigh, North Carolina US) Age: 29 - Email


As both a Veteran and a Pagan I feel that the right to exercise ones choice by voting to be very important. I believe that being aware of the current political climate is important to pagans as it is to any citizen Involvement wether direct or indirect beyond voting is something that I feel has yet to be explored. I would like to see a Politician who openly admits to a pagan belief and then we'll see how truly free and open America is. If this country still stands for it's citizens then I feel this will be a positive change, if not.....well I don't like to think about the outcome.

As both a Veteran and a Pagan I am registered to vote and have to look at candidates based on my concerns from both Vets and pagans. Politicians have been sadly lacking in adressing both groups needs and I think we all should get together and somehow remind them that there are more citizens than the moral majority out there.

I have not settled on a candidate yet but I am still debating their points with others around me. I will intend on voting for whomever I think will serve the publics interests the best.


I Am Probably Going To Be Completely Lambasted For This, But I... Aug 10th. at 9:39:41 pm UTC

StormDancer (Madison, Wisconsin US) Age: 27 - Email


I am probably going to be completely lambasted for this, but I cannot for the life of me muster up ANY interest in this election. Gore is an idiot , Bush...appears to be his father ---IT'S SO BORING!!!

I KNOW that I need to care, that it's my life and my country, and my religious freedom at stake, but I just can't bring myself to watch more than 2 mintues on TV or read more than a few paragraphs. At least Clinton is interesting. On general principal, the lesser of two evils, I will probably vote for Gore. I like the idea of a religious "minority" as VP, and when all else fails, I usually go Democratic. But I feel like I have to choose between burned at the stake or being tied to a huge hill of fire ants--perhaps that's a bit too dramatic, but I really don't feel there IS a good choice here.

Venting over, let the slinging of dung and rotten vegetable commence....


Yes, I Think That Some Degree Of Political Involvement Is Important. Democracy... Aug 10th. at 9:33:30 pm UTC

Pitch (Concord, California US) Age: 50


Yes, I think that some degree of political involvement is important. Democracy works things out a little better when citizens participate. Alternatively, if plenty of voters aren't turning out, then every pagan vote gets a multiplier. Every pagan vote counts for the X voters who didn't.

I am registered to vote as a member of the California Greens. I always vote in every election for which I'm elegible.

I never decide on how I'll vote until the election.


I Am Registered To Vote In Georgia, And I'm Planning To Vote... Aug 10th. at 6:23:20 pm UTC

Megan (Athens, Georgia US) Age: 28


I am registered to vote in Georgia, and I'm planning to vote Green Party. I think Pagans should definitely get out there and vote, and vote from the heart.


I Am Leaning Towards The Gore/leiberman Ticket At This Point. Since... Aug 10th. at 6:08:57 pm UTC

Thomas D. Van Hook - aka "Elf" (Lewisville, Texas US) Age: 35 - Email


I am leaning towards the Gore/Leiberman ticket at this point. Since McCain did not get the nomination, the candidate I would have preferred is not available. However, being a resident of Texas - I've watched the inept nature of Gov. Bush's hand in governmental workings. Therefore, Gore gets my vote by default. It's truly a shame that a wonderful candidate such as McCain, who speaks directly to the American public rather than above it, cannot get past the political machinations that have been set forth by both the Republican and Democratic parties.

However, if Gore fails to inspire me enough to vote for him....well, then'ts time to vote for the greater of two evils instead of the lesser...it will be time to cast my vote once again for Cthulu...


Think Globally, Act Locally, The Rrr Has Learned To Twist To Abuse... Aug 10th. at 6:01:07 pm UTC

Terry Smith (.., Connecticut US) Age: 43 - Email


Think globally, act locally, the RRR has learned to twist

to abuse civil rights rather than protect them, while trying to hide from the press as they try to pressure us all into their Procrustean bed. The importance of that concept applies at least as much to those of us interested in preventing discrimination via zoning ordinances, school boards, and local park regulations. That noted, it's a lot easier to discuss more distant national issues online.

As a constituent of Joe Lieberman, I have a collection of position letters from him over some years. He's forthright enough to state his views more directly than Bush lite or AlGore, but skillful enough at political weasel games to claim to support rights enumerated in the 1st, 2nd, or other Constitutional Amendments, but then prove that he actually strongly opposes actually protecting civil rights in real practice. Make flag burning a Federal crime more serious than aggravated assault. Reclassify all firearms as Class III NFA items, and call that "reasonable" rather than a Constitutional end run. On local discussion forums, many Bush supporters think Lieberman is suited for their ticket, due to his pro-censorship conservative Judaic notions of imposed social order, even when he attempts to temper some of them with an awareness of the importance of tolerance for diversity from the other side of his mouth.

Strange as it may sound, history suggests we might be better off with Bush Supreme Court nominations than Gore ones. Gore is no protector of the 1st Amendment, and has been an active advocate of the hate speech and discrimination against minority religionists embedded in censorship of art, religion, and politics. While Bush has failings with respect to the 2nd Am., Gore is onerous in that respect. Even though Bush gives a party line cowtowing to the Robertson RRR agenda, his family history rooted in ME, CT, and TX suggests ethical connections to judicial appointments like Souter, one of the more honest and aware of the present Justices, and not just hypocrites like Thomas. Too bad we can't elect NOTA (none of the above) if our only real choices are the different sects of the Republocrat Party. As minority religionists, regardless of our individual preferences, it helps to remember that trouncing any one civil right opens the door to treating all such rights as if mere arbitrary privileges open to regulation, including those most dear to us personally.

Hagelin of the Natural Law Party (also in Reform) is an interesting character. He fronts Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's Americanized commercialized, secularized pseudo-Hindu-Buddhist Transcendental Meditation as a solution to most social ills. Their ideas might even work, if widely adopted voluntarily and without government involvement to corrupt them.

Nader seems to be attracting the attention of a lot of pagans. The Green Party hasn't done the consistent work of party building to even ballot qualify for a potential 270 Electoral College votes in past elections. The party platform includes anti-civil rights planks alongside some attractive environmental stances. It includes some proposals for social meddling by government which are impossible to implement without at least de facto religious discrimination. If we can't advocate moving government the other way, out of social programs and their inherent and unavoidable biases, we don't accomplish respecting and protecting that precious commodity of liberty which is essential to be able to do as one will if it harms none.

That leaves the one party which has accomplished ballot status in all 50 states in recent elections, plus lower offices with real candidates in hundreds of real offices, to an extent unseen since the early 1900's. That leaves the one party which recognizes that for any of us to have liberty to live out the Rede or equivalent ethics, it takes less invasive government to preserve more freedom for individuals. That points to the party which uses no tax funding of its convention, where it debates idealistic versus pragmatic compromise approaches to legal and societal issues with a common goal of government operating within Constitutional bounds, always.

That's the Libertarian party, whose slates are headed by best selling author and financial consultant Harry Browne. www.lp.org

The LP actually does have a strong pro-environment stance, though it may be confusing to people who don't study the quirks of civil law instead of invasive government regulation. The LP is the only party to broadly oppose malum prohibitums, victimless crime laws often used to badger social and religious values such as speech, nudity, sexuality, and our rights to our own bodies and minds. The LP is the only party to oppose the discrimination against solitary and small coven pagans via systems of taxes and bureaucracy that some pagans jump into, but which oppress anyone not willing or able to do the work of 6 paper pushers just to qualify. The LP supports pagans not by taking postures to make public spectacles of us and shoot photo op's, but by leaving us alone to choose and shape our own paths, at home, work, or around town.

Election law is a complex subject, where the rules and not just the vote shape the winners. Depending on local demographics, state and Federal laws, some voters will have little to no likely influence if they vote for a Republocrat, on a state by state basis. On the other hand, voting for a third party can have substantial impact on future ease of ballot qualification, and on future media coverage. It takes work to learn those local quirks, but the rumor that third party votes are thrown away is false. In some states they have much more influence with an established party like the Libertarians, and somewhat more influence with the Greens or Natural Law, than they do with either Republocrat. As to those important lower offices, different rules apply within the same ballot and slate.

It's probably pretty clear where my leanings fall. I won't suggest that all pagans are close to agreeing on political goals. I will suggest that to truly exercise our influence responsibly, it is important to go beyond the media and learn enough about election law to make considered choices, knowing that the same vote from 5 states for major or minor parties has different impact on current and future elections.

Terry


Since Before The Campaigning Started I Knew I Was Voting For The... Aug 10th. at 5:49:14 pm UTC

Jennifer Ventola (Peekskill, New York US) Age: 29 - Email


Since before the campaigning started I knew I was voting for the democratic party.I feel voting and political involvment is very important and necessary.

Voicing your opinion as a pagan, especially being women is something women have fought and died for for centuries.

The one if the reasons I am voting for the Democratic party (AL Gore) is that the next President has 2 supreme court appointee's. If these two people are not chosen with women's issues in mind, a women's right to choose to have an abortion or not will be taken away, plus Al Gore's environmental stand is much more favorable than George Bush


I Am Registered To Vote And I Will Be Voting For Bush... Aug 10th. at 5:38:53 pm UTC

billie (pittsburg, Kansas US) Age: 48


I am registered to vote and I will be voting for Bush, as I feel truth is more important than political expediency....and it has always seemed to me that gore just tells 'em what they want hear!


I Think The Best Candidate Currently Running Is John Hagelin, Formerly Of... Aug 10th. at 5:29:25 pm UTC

Potter (Dallas, Texas US) Age: 45


I think the best candidate currently running is John Hagelin, formerly of the Natural Law party, and lately of the anti-Buchanan section of the Reform party. Unfortunately, with the Reform party fight, I don't think he has much of a chance, so I'm going with the Gore ticket, more as a vote against Shrub (as we call him here in Texas) than for Gore.


I Am A Registered Democrate. I Will Be Voting. Because I Feel... Aug 10th. at 5:15:11 pm UTC

Susann Cobb aka Peri Wyrrd (Granville, Vermont US) Age: 37 - Email


I am a registered democrate. I will be voting. Because I feel that Leiberman is too right wing, I will not be voting for the democratic party in 2000.

I will be voting for Ralph Nader (www.votenader.org). I like where he satnds on many issues, namely Genetically Engineered Food, which is a frightening thing.

I believe that everyone should exercise their right to vote, but especially minority groups, which we as Pagans are. Further, I personally believe that being a Pagan or in my case, a Witch, is as much a political statement as it is a religious or spiritual one, therefore, I do believe it is important for us to be as active in the political arena, even if only on a local or community level, as we can. I am personally trying to become more active in my small, rural town, and was recently elected, Cemetery Commissioner, which does suit me, I must admit!


I Am Wholeheartedly On The Side Of The Green Party And Ralph... Aug 10th. at 5:06:16 pm UTC

Holly Deal (Nashville, Tennessee US) Age: 21 - Email


I am wholeheartedly on the side of the Green Party and Ralph Nader! This is the only platform that makes any sense at all, and I am proud to be an active member of the Tennessee State Green Party.

Yes, political involvement is important to Pagans, assuming they want to maintain and strengthen their already seemingly shaky rights in this country. It's time we stood up to be counted. It's easy to oppress a people you don't even see.

And, naturally, I am registered to vote. This is supposed to be a participatory government. The way I see it, if you willingly do not take part, you give up your right to complain about the state of that government. Only by participating can you bring about any real change.

www.votenader.org

"You can have no daily democracy without daily citizenship"-Ralph Nader


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