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Posted: Nov. 17, 2002
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911 America: Talking Through The Terror...
Talking Through The Terror... And helping each other cope with the tragedies that struck at the very heart of the United States. The Witches Voice has opened up this forum in order that Pagans may express their thoughts on the terrorist attacks that took place in NYC and DC on September 11th. As the full realization of what happened and the toll numbers begin to come in, Americans have many challenges ahead.
What are your thoughts on these incidents? How are you feeling? Feel free to post any magickal workings or other support gatherings planned in your area.
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| The Trouble With Prophetic Dreams: Not Enough Clues To Interpret Them. What... ||Sep 11th. at 8:01:13 pm UTC|
|South Bay Pagan Mother (Palo Alto, California US) ||Age: 38 |
THE TROUBLE WITH PROPHETIC DREAMS: not enough clues to interpret them. What the hell can we DO if we don't know enough??? And dreams are so inaccurate / allegorical, so often. Goddess, it makes me feel so HELPLESS.
A (Pagan) friend's experience:
"Folks, I am REALLY freaked out about this because I DREAMED about this over and
over during the last year.In the dream, I would go into a video store, and the
clerk would say"you really need to see a film called THE TWO TOWERS. It
s VERY important. Something bad is going to happen". And we would look for the
video, and it was always missing or out, but I saw a poster that showed the
cover and it was the World Trade center!
I kept going back to the store in the
dream over and over but I was not able to see the video.Everytime, I saw the
poster with "the Two Towers" on it. Finally I said to "I think something is going to happen to the trade center", but I could not find out the details what it would be.
This is a TRUE story, a very disturbing one. I have no idea why I was not allowed to see the video in the dream, but I suspect that what I would
be shown would have been horrible, and what would I have been able to do about
it? Who would have listened to me? says I should call Standford University and talk to someone there who is working with precognitive dreams, maybe they can give me advice on what to do if I have another dream. Many people heard me discribe the dream before this happened, I can document this.
I am really freaked out."
I remember her telling me about that dream a while back. Here's my own experience:
My whole family was actually travelling on a United plane from Newark to San Jose (via Denver) on Labor Day this year. I was exhausted from staying up late the night before, and I fell asleep on the 1st leg of the plane trip.
Asleep, I had this unusual and very vivid nightmare where a woman dressed in black and white with a headcovering rather like a nun pulled a blood-red mask up over her face (a repressed vengeful Goddess???), pulled out a gun and hijacked the plane. (basically a total face covering - could not read her expressions) The crew was no where to be seen (not on the plane???), the other passengers (basically lazy American tourists wearing sunglasses) were chatting to each other about their lives and vacations and ignoring her, but I KNEW something horrible was going to happen, and I knew we all could not stop it. No one could. I did not even think to try martial arts to stop her, and I normally would in real life, because I am a martial artist.
Because of the other people talking to each other, I could not hear most of what the hijacker was saying even though I was very close to her (one row behind hers in fact), but I heard something about (all the? couldn't hear enough about it) men were going to be killed (I was very scared for my husband) and didn't know how many others also might be killed - I also had a strong sense the airplane doors would open and the plane would crash.
The only people I know on this dream plane who were noticing her besides my husband and I were an Asian woman (foreign) and her young daughter (in front of my husband and I) whom the hijacker had been sitting next to - the hijacker started making them put on their oxygen masks.
I remember that my own young daughters were somehow NOT on the flight in my dream, and I was grateful for that, but I was terrified WE were going to die, and I had so much left to do in my life that was not yet done.
I woke up totally terrified. I mean I thought it was REAL. (And I have never dreamed about hijacking while on a plane before!)
Look, I'm totally freaking right now. I normally consider myself about as psychic as a brick.
And my husband, who NEVER wakes up during the night, especially when he's been working late, woke up inexplicably this morning at 5:35 Pacific Time. Now he knows why.
We have family in Manhattan. We hear they are all right, so far. I can't get in touch with my sister-in-law at this moment, the shock might have put her into labor (she was large with twins). A good friend who normally works across the street from the WTC was out today on Jury Duty - THANK THE GODDESS!!!
Stanford Blood Bank is swamped right now, we're waiting for the call that lets us know when we can come in to donate. In the meantime, we're sending out energy to all those dealing with this devastation in so many ways, and burning candles and incense, especially to Kuan Yin, Goddess of Healing and Mercy. I especially worry for our children's future; all our children.
This seems so unreal, yet is horrifyingly too real.
Inanna and Kuan Yin, please help us! Join all our Magick even if we cannot be physically together with other Pagans; alone and isolated we do not have enough Power to deal with this!! Goddess, let there not be global war!!!!!
-- Inanna's Handmaiden
| All I Can Do Is Cry.........i Hurt So Much For Those... ||Sep 11th. at 7:56:27 pm UTC|
|Danny (Damacien)Valdes JR (oak ridge, New Jersey US) ||Age: 21 - Email |
All i can do is cry.........I hurt so much for those who are and will be suffering.......My alter candles will be lit through the night , and my heart goes out to all the families involved ..........
| I First Learned Of This Tragedy From The Radio On The Way... ||Sep 11th. at 7:52:07 pm UTC|
|Chiron (Greenville, North Carolina US) ||Age: 39 - Email |
I first learned of this tragedy from the radio on the way to work. As soon as I arrived my phone was ringing with "have you heard" calls. We hooked up a TV and watched the drama unfold all day long today. Despite what you might think of US foreign policy or politics, there is an innocent human element involved here. How many thousands of people had to die for someone else to prove their point? We may not know for days. Personally, I will go out tonight at 9:00 pm EST as requested by another post. I will call to my patron Goddess, the Blessed Mother Bast and request that she give healing and comfort to all those directly affected as well as to their families. I know that those actually on the planes are with Her now. As for the highjackers themselves...woe to be at the hands of an angry Bast! I will also pray for intellegence and clear thinking to prevail as a retaliation of some sort is inevitable. May the grace of the Blessed Mother in Her many forms be with all of us in this time of tragedy but especially with those it presonally touched today!
| As A Member Of A Community That Considers Itself To Be Rather... ||Sep 11th. at 7:50:33 pm UTC|
|Spoiler of Twigs (Atlantis, Denmark) ||Age: 30 - Email |
As a member of a community that considers itself to be rather evolved in it's spirtual beliefs, I would like to express my compassion to the people that are directly responsible for the tradgey that has occured; my point being that although those who are directly affected by the attack may be truly suffering, their spirit will be fine: the powers that be will always care for the innocent. It is the attackers that are truly suffering, the place that a human being must go to in order to carry out such an atrocity is a dark and cold place, full of illusion and ghosts, away from the light of truth may they one day see the ignorance of these actions.
Spoiler of Twigs
| Upon The Tragedy That Struck Our Nation Today, I Quickly Emailed Everyone... ||Sep 11th. at 7:45:01 pm UTC|
|Ceriwynn (Buffalo, New York US) ||Age: 28 - Email |
Upon the tragedy that struck our nation today, I quickly emailed everyone I know and care about in my life. Family, friends and close aquaintances to let them know that often times we lose track of what really matters in this world. Sometimes we take for granted our home, our families, our wives or husbands, our children. After realizing that, I sent an email to each one of them sending positive light and love their way.
I have been burning a single candle all day for the lives of those lost in the disasters, I have been meditating throughout the day, and asking for the God and Goddess's strength to endure in this stressful and painful time.
Although many of us did not know someone per se that was injured or killed today, don't forget we are all connected to each other, through this lovely Earth, and through the God and Goddess... what pains one pains the entirety.
Please remember that as you're giving thanks for your family and friends who have survived, and send positive light and love to those who aren't so lucky.
May the Goddess and God help strengthen each and every one of us in our time of need, and help us see a brighter day tomorrow.
We are one.
Love and light and blessings to all,
| Within Minutes After The Attacks, We Set Up An Altar In The... ||Sep 11th. at 7:43:35 pm UTC|
|Selena Fox (Oak Haven in forest near Mt. Horeb, Wisconsin US) ||Age: 51 - Email |
Within minutes after the attacks, we set up an altar in the Temple Room at Circle Sanctuary Nature Preserve in Wisconsin and did a working. We are keeping this altar set up as a focal point for sending blessings of healing, protection, and renewal. In addition to joining in with the many synchronized interfaith and Pagan rituals, prayers, circles, and other spiritual activities, we will be doing several special workings at Circle Sanctuary this week. On Friday night, September 14, at 7:30 pm central time, Craftway Circle will be doing a ritual. On Saturday morning at 10 am, we will be having a ritual open to everyone in the Circle Sanctuary Community as well as to Pagans of other paths and groups. Those interested in physically being present at one or both of these workings should call the Circle office (608-924-2216) or email us: email@example.com for more details. We also plan to have a sacred space set up as part of the Circle exhibit booth at the Pagan Pride Day celebration in Madison, Wisconsin on Sunday. Blessed Be, Selena Fox
| Merry Meet! Lately There Have Been Many Planes Crashing And A Lot... ||Sep 11th. at 7:41:59 pm UTC|
|Melissa (Mysty) (Amarillo, Texas US) ||Age: 15 - Email |
Merry Meet! Lately there have been many planes crashing and a lot of people have died, but none of that compares to what happened today. this is just scary to know that hundreds of people have died because of terrorists, It's just really devistating. I would like to know who is to blame for this? Merry Part! ~Blessed Be!~
| I Feel Angry, But At The Same Time I Feel Sorry For... ||Sep 11th. at 7:38:36 pm UTC|
|Brighid (Croydon, Pennsylvania US) ||Age: 16 - Email |
I feel angry, but at the same time i feel sorry for those Arabs. I really think when an Arab is born they are taught to kill and hate. They celebrated this horrible time in history by throwing a party? No they crossed my border line of hate and love. I could never hate someone, but i hate the Arabs. No I'm racist, I just feel hate against someone who laughs after they killed 1, 000s of people. I hate war, but the Arabs asked for us to kill lots of there people. America has the best millitary, so why would they even try? I think if we didn't have so many different religions we wouldn't have these fights, because %90 of the wars are over religion. If we all were back to the old ways it would be more peaceful too. My boyfriend, who is also a wiccan, is stuck in Bermuda, because of the airlines are down and the hurricane. Right now I'm a nervous wreck, but i know there are many who lost family and friends on this evil day. I'm going to work protection/love magick out to all those people who lost someone today. I'm also working this magick for my boyfriend. I hope this world becomes more peaceful, but it would never happen. This happened only 1 1/2 hours away from me. I thank the gods i wasn't hurt. My mom came to my school to take me home. This is a day I will never forget. Blessings go out to all the fire fighters, cops, emts, and any other helpers. I send them extra energy to help heal those in need. I send blessings out to those people who lost family or friends during this horrible day.
| On The Topic Of Dreams, Last Night I Dreamed Of The Fall... ||Sep 11th. at 7:38:33 pm UTC|
|Gemedlyn (La Crescent, Minnesota US) ||Age: 17 - Email |
On the topic of dreams, last night i dreamed of the fall of Rome. I hope that has no connection to todays events. I pray that all of the people who were vicitims of today's tragedy may find peace, and that those who were equally effect emotionally may find healing for their scars.
I feel that in our prayers we should concentrate on praying for peace and protection than to try and condemn those who acted against the US. The Gods will see to them and they shall reap that which they sow.
As a final note I hope all of you remind your family and friends how much you love them. You never know when you might lose the chance to do so, and you will never get it back.
| Contact As Many Pagans And Witches And Druids And Wiccans You Know... ||Sep 11th. at 7:36:28 pm UTC|
|Frankie B (Johnstown, Pennsylvania US) ||Age: 16 - Email |
Contact as many pagans and witches and druids and wiccans you know and give them this message, I am setting up a thoughtform for protection. I am creating a mass protection spell on the US for fear that they will damage the future. My plan is to set a giant thought form above the nation, and have all witches and magic users to add to that thoughtform with one thing in mind: protecting our home front. I need everyone for the next 2 days to concentrate magic to the sky, to add to it and create a huge barrier that will encompass the whole nation, from shore to shore. It can be done, and I need every one to do it.
This message was given to me by a great friend and I hope that you too will participate in helping our land.
| When I Heard The News On My Bus This Afternoon At 3... ||Sep 11th. at 7:33:42 pm UTC|
|silver lotus (morenci, Michigan US) ||Age: 13 - Email |
When i heard the news on my bus this afternoon at 3:00 the thoughts on my head were oh no i dont get to see my shows. now that i see the destruction and the estimated death tolls i can barely move my breathing is labored and my cant think to straight. its only now that i see what this could do and my hands shake in fear and my eyes water in sorrow. its only now that i think of those dead or worse those alive with friends that are no more . i cant deal with this and i know that only 10% of my friends even care.I'm afraid
| Thoughts On This Terrible Event In Our Nation's History. Like Many, I... ||Sep 11th. at 7:31:44 pm UTC|
|Mark Sosnowski (Bridgeport, Connecticut US) ||Age: 39 - Email |
Thoughts on this terrible event in our nation's history. Like many, I was at work when I heard of the horrific events happening in New York City. Words can hardly describe the scenes of devastation, it was at best surreal. Transfixed, we watched, waiting and hoping for good news. Then the bombing of the Pentagon. Then the other plane in the fields of Pennsylvania.
I watched as the first tower of the World Trade Center collapsed. It defied belief. At one point I had to leave the room for fear of bursting into tears. A colleague of mine has a daughter who works at the WTC. He had no news of her. I could feel his pain, I cannot imagine what was going through his mind. Hers was a good ending, finally after hours of waiting, the call came through, she was fine, though no details. We all breathed a sigh of relief.
We work in our state's capital. I can see it, only a few short blocks away. Rumors went around that all tall buildings were being evacuated. We only have a 10 story building, and I work on the 6th floor. The WTC had 11 times the stories we have. Late in the morning word came that we, as a state office building, were also being sent home, the chose not to use the word, evacuate. Normally within a couple of minutes, one of the 4 elevators is at our call. I remember waiting better than 15 minutes for it to arrive. I can only imagine the horror those people faced many stories higher with no escape. My heart and prayers goes out the the families of those who perished, to the many workers trying to dig through the rubble looking for survivors, and the many health care workers dealing with this living nightmare.
I call upon the sword of justice to swing its mighty blow on the perpetrators of this act. I recall seeing our Lady Liberty looking on toward the billowing smoke enveloping the Isle of Manhattan. Truly a sad sight to behold. How dare someone terrorize us! Justice must swing its sword against the criminals who dared do this act.
I invoke these Gods of Law and Justice, Forseti, Kuan-Ti, Misharu, Nah-Hunte, Shamash, and Tyr to deal with this situation. I invoke these Goddesses of Law and Justice, The Erinyes, Ma'at, and Astrae to deal with this situation. And lastly, I invoke the Teiwaz rune over the matter. So it must be.
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