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Question of the Week: 14 - 11/6/2000

The Unresolved US Election

Did YOU vote? Which candidate did you vote for? How do you feel about the political wrangling going on right now in Florida? Will/Should either candidate concede for the good of the country-or should either/both fight it out until we all scream for mercy? How do you think either candidate, if declared the winner, will be able to bring the country together given the inference that the election results now point to an America that is almost equally divided into one camp or the other? And the BIG question-What, if any, impact will the final results have on the Pagan communities?

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I Did Not Vote . Simply Because I Do Not Believe In Either... Nov 12th. at 1:04:36 am EST

shannon (mesa, Arizona US) Age: 23 - Email

i did not vote . simply because i do not believe in either one of the men running. but i do believe that gore should stop being such a sore loser and let it go allready .

Solve This And As Quickly As Possible! I Believe That Any And... Nov 12th. at 12:19:19 am EST

Democrat-4-Life Eli (Fort Lauderdale, Florida US) Age: 18

SOLVE THIS AND AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE! I believe that any and all legal actions to preserve the integrity of the system should be carried through to conclusion and that until that neither men should step down, but this has absolutely got to be rectified before people in other nations suddenly decide that since their votes in America might not matter anymore than their votes or (if they don't have a vote) their opinions in their own nations. People come here in large part because we choose our leaders, and if any doubt of that exists nations around this world will have a damaged image of our nation. Please resolve this as thoroughly as necessary but as quickly as possible, and then find a way to spin this in our favor internationally, say for instance because we've gone through all this and there are no riots or tanks and soldiers in the streets, and in fact it has served to rekindle the spirit of grass-roots action that helped to make the 1960s a tossup for the proudest time in our history (the tossup being between then and now, now that we have the strongest economy in our nation's history). No excuses, but no mistakes either, just get it done.

I Live In Broward County, And Although I Checked Over My Punches... Nov 12th. at 12:06:45 am EST

Eli (Fort Lauderdale, Florida US) Age: 18

I live in Broward County, and although I checked over my punches in my ballot and I believe I checked the back to make sure the holes were perfect, in the event that MY vote for Al Gore was somehow misread by a machine I would like them to do as thorough a recount as necessary to be within 98% accuracy. I can also tell you that two points of Florida election law were violated by the Palm Beach, one saying that the hole must be placed to the "right" of the candidate's name, the other specifying very specifically that the top parties, Republican and Democrat, shall be placed at the top two points and nobody else above or in between them, and there is also in the laws a picture of what a ballot must look like and the Palm Beach ballot did not conform. The law is the law. As for the Bush camp's Federal suit, machine counts are considerably less reliable than hand counts, so the hand count does need to be done to check these thousands and thousands of ballots where the machines could find no punches for the Presidential candidate. Governor George W. Bush himself signed a law in Texas agreeing with what I said, that in close races hand counts are preferable, and contrary to what Karen Hughes has said machine counts are not used for reliability but rather speed, since so many elections yield clear winners regardless of the tiny errors. Another factor is that because of thousands upon thousands of instances of black and elederly voter intimidation, civil rights protection groups from all around the country may soon be mounting one of the largest single civil rights battles ever foughts. If the Bush camp can find similar instances in which the law provides for a legal challenge and sufficient evidence exists to consider rectifying problems with the election system, I invite them. I voted for Al Gore, I voted the straight Democratic ticket, and I quite frankly despise the Republican Party and would like to see it's immediate disbandment, but what matters to me more than party conflicts is the integrity of what it supposed to be an unimpeachable election process in which the votes of each person matter, and intelligence or thoroughness are not factors in your ability to properly cast a vote (I know that can never be entirely guaranteed, but it should be 99% guaranteed that even a retarded individual with an IQ of say 65-70 can figure out the ballot with a little help), and certainly hanging pieces of paper and mechanical errors and illegal ballots and ballot designs that confuse and mislead voters should never be a factor in any election. If Bush legitimately won this election I will absolutely accept that and hold my political nose for the next four years, but each and every voter in this nation must have their rights protected, regardless of who they voted for or where they voted, and regardless of whether it's a Presidential election, a Senate election, a Gubernatorial election, or a City Council election, that is what is guaranteed by our Constitution, read it if you want and you'll see that nowhere does it say anything about an acceptable margin of error in the election system, and so I would say that the margin should be vastly less than 1% margin for error, because expecting anything better than vastly less than a 1% margin for error, and I mean nationally, would be expecting reality to turn itself upside-down, nothing anywhere, even 2+2=4, has a completely 100% guarantee, just vastly vastly more than 99% at best. In short, all litigation should be welcome, the world should not see the US setting the example of allowing a gigantic margin for voting error.

If I Was Old Enough 2 Vote...i Would've Voted For Anyone... Nov 11th. at 11:50:59 pm EST

Moonlight Myst (Sequim, Washington US) Age: 14 - Email

If I was old enough 2 vote...I would've voted for anyone but Bush. I feel a bit angered at the fact that he doesn't believe that Wicca is a true religion. The U.S. is a free country & we should be able to choose (or not choose) whichever religion that we please. To me it seems that Bush should think before he speaks...perhaps he should've read about it before he judged my religion. I didn't hide my thoughts about the election whenever someone asked, and I also gave them the same reason I'm giving now. In conclusion, If Bush happens 2 win, I hope all the pagans who voted Bush know that they gave away their freedom of religion.

I Just Couldn't Vote For A Corporate Candidate - Nader, After Much Thought... Nov 11th. at 11:46:27 pm EST

John Slade (St. Paul, Minnesota US) Age: 34 - Email

I just couldn't vote for a corporate candidate - Nader, after much thought.

That thought mostly tended to 'why have the Clintons and the Gores sold the soul
of the Democratic party'? I know that Bush stands for 95% of the things I disagree with, but Gore stands for 65% of the things I disagree with, and that 65% of bad outweighs the 30% of good for me.

The ballot stuff? I think it's a good object lesson that shows people how those in power will act. Scrabbling.

Another part of me thinks it's bad, because it will make people cynical.

I disagree with the Bush camp's attempt to stop the hand count.

I think the Bush folks were lying about the Buchanan vote. I think that Jeb Bush is using what power he can to get George into power.

I don't know what the best thing to do is; I'm interested in the results of a hand count. We will survive for another couple weeks like this.

America nearly divided? Yeah -- into those who vote and those who don't. Turnout was up -- up to about 52% of the electorate, minus kids, minus those declared insane, minus those declared felons by our insane war on drugs. Those who bother are also divided.

In the Pagan community, I see the biggest result being fighting over whether the Green Party's candidacy was a good thing or not, particularly from Gore supporters. I also see a step forward in Real Left organization, and a possible step backwards under a Republican administration. Which will be rather hamstrung on social issues, but have free rein on corporate issues.

I Have To Say That The Choices This Time Did Not Seem... Nov 11th. at 11:25:54 pm EST

L.stringfellow (Phoenix, Arizona US) Age: 33

I have to say that the choices this time did not seem to be very appealing. Unfortunately, I did not vote this time around; I have recently become an Arizona resident (after being a Florida resident for many years!).
I've been somewhat dismayed by this year's presidential election.
Of course, in good faith, I could never vote for "W" Bush. Another responder stated that "Bush scares me." Well, I pretty much concur with that statement.
Not only are his politics counter to what I believe, but the man is constantly misspeaking! On the other hand, Gore may "stand for" what I believe in: women's rights, personal freedom, the environment, etc. However, I have to say that I just don't trust the guy. When I look at him, I have to say that I'm not sure he will actually uphold the promises he makes while in office. Perhaps that's my mistrust of politicians, in which case, if Gore does become President and he does uphold his statements, I will have to admit I'm wrong about him in four years. (!) Well, I honestly hope that Gore does win the election (not Bush!), and that I do have to admit I'm wrong in four years.

As a former resident of Florida, I have to say that this entire fiasco does not surprise me in the least. However, I do think that's it's only right that they do the vote recount at this point. The thing that is surprising to me is that, in Florida, every registered voter is sent a sample ballet. So, I'm not sure why these people, who claim to have been tricked, are so confused. I imagine, granted, that many people don't look at the ballots, and a few elderly people may become confused by them, but I'm not sure I buy the premise that they "didn't know what they were doing." The "elderly" are not that inept.
Whatever the case, the entire scenario is ridiculous. It's interesting, but ridiculous.

As of late, Bush has been putting the pressure on to halt the vote recount in Florida. There is a law suit in the works, apparently (or so the story goes).
The fact that he is trying to stop the recount says something to me about his character--if he were interesting in honestly determining what the actual count is, he would allow the recount to be done without question. The fact that he is trying to impede this process says, "O.K., we should abide by the rules, except when it comes to ME...". Sorry, I think the guy's a hypocrite.

Yes, I Voted For Al Gore. I Consider Myself A "yellow Dog... Nov 11th. at 10:39:58 pm EST

Thepdaq (Austin, Texas US) Age: 45 - Email

Yes, I voted for Al Gore. I consider myself a "Yellow Dog" Democrat and always vote so that others may have a "choice" on whom to vote. Bush is the "anti-christ" for Pagans and "free thinkers" alike, not to mention being a "daddy's boy" putting "daddy's office" back in power. Any pagan that voted for Bush just voted to throw out their rights to be and think different from the radical christian rightwing.

I Voted For Gore. For Me, The Choice Was Simple. In An... Nov 11th. at 10:37:30 pm EST

Amy (Center Valley, Pennsylvania US) Age: 39 - Email

I voted for Gore. For me, the choice was simple. In an election that was not going to be this close, I may have voted for Nader, but this time, I felt that that would be throwing away my vote. I fear Bush. As a military dependant, whoever is President has direct control over my husbands life, and the fact that someone who has already insulted a Russian Leader to the point that a Slander suit has been considered may become our President is terrifying. What happens if he pulls a stunt like that as President?

Also, I don't understand the hoopla over the Florida vote. Florida law allows for these type of problems by having laws in place to deal with them. The recount and the hand count of the vote is only following the law of the state. As of this point, there is no president elect, and I am still burning blue candles for Gore!

I Voted For Ralph Nader. Having Looked At The Various Positions Of... Nov 11th. at 10:28:35 pm EST

DarkPanther (Burlington, Iowa US) Age: 40 - Email

I voted for Ralph Nader. Having looked at the various positions of many parties, I had to come down on the side of the Greens. There are some positions I do not agree with, but their support for the environment is very strong, and I believe that is the most important issue facing us today.

Yes, I Did Vote, And Consider It A Priviledge To Do So... Nov 11th. at 9:42:33 pm EST

Shelby Martin (Houston, Minnesota US) Age: 33 - Email

Yes, I did vote, and consider it a priviledge to do so. I voted for Harry Browne, the Libertarian Party candidate. Why? because before the election, I researched on the varius candidates positions on many issues. I actually asked Harry Browne's campaign, via e-mail, what his stance on people's freedom to chose and practice whatever religion they choose. I asked this based on the comments I heard Mr. Bush make regarding the Pagan religions and the practice of Witchcraft. If you remember when the question arose regarding Wiccan circles being held in the military at Fort Hood, Mr. Bush responded that Wicca was not a valid religion. I also read his response to the Internet question of the day as linked by The Witch's Vox. Needless to say, as a Pagan, my choice was pretty clear. I wasn't voting for him. Mr. Browne, running on the Libertarian Party ticket, believes that all Americans should choose how to live their own lives, including the practice of religion. I wish more people could hear the other messages that are out there, other than what the media has pushed onto us, making us believe that we really only have 2 choices. That is NOT the way this country is supposed to run.

I Voted For Gore. When Someone Announces That My Religion Isn't One... Nov 11th. at 8:55:43 pm EST

Lucinda-June Chapman sisterbluerose (Elmira, New York US) Age: 48 - Email

I voted for Gore. When someone announces that my religion isn't one... You don't have to hit me with a brick before I wnderstand.

Some people have been asking what the Goddess's will is on this. I believe that we need to be outspoken. I believe we should have a "Pagan Fourth of July Party" A political party that announces we are patriotic and Pagan. We should as the Pagan Fourth of July Party have a great celebration of this each fourth of July. We should get together to celebrate our holy days. We should be both vocal and organized.

I tell people. I couldn't vote for Bush. He believes my religion isn't one. That is when I don't quote the Boondocks cartoon of Nov 6. "You voted for the Dumbest man in America"

I Voted And For President I Wrote In Chutulu. Given The Choise... Nov 11th. at 8:31:51 pm EST

Silver MayKitten (Springfield, Missouri US) Age: 55 - Email

I voted and for president I wrote in Chutulu. Given the choise of the lesser of many evils, I voted my own.

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