Author: Kerr Cuhulain
Posted: November 11th. 2002
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Besides Seller, the panel was composed of Sally, who was a supposed ritual abuse survivor, Laurie who had studied various branches of Metaphysics, including Wicca, Dragon, a Heavy Metal street preacher and former white supremacist gang member, Jay, a Satanic High Priest and Jeff, who had recently been initiated into Satanism at Samhain.
Sally spoke first. She claimed to be a member of a family that had been involved with Satanism for 28 generations since the 15th century. Sally claimed that her earliest memory is around the age of 5 when a rabbit was killed in her presence and she was told not to talk about it. She says it was her father's family that was involved with this, and her mother got them out of it, although her brother is still involved. Sally claimed to have seen her first human sacrifice when she was 12 years old and to have witnessed over a dozen more in her years as a member of the cult. She claims that she didn't go to the police because 80% of the police in her town were involved with the cult. Sally alleges that incest commonly practised by this group. She claims to have been impregnated by her father, but says that she lost the child in something that was a sacrifice to Satan "in a way." Sally did not explain what she meant by this last remark. Sally conveniently claimed that defectors from Satanic cults don't get out with any evidence, though she did not explain how this was accomplished. Sally claimed that one of the leaders in the Satanic group showed her a computer printout listing "keymasters" who made up a computer network of cultists. Sally alleges that this printout stretched the length of the room.
Laurie claimed that she used to be a "white Witch" who was not currently practising. Laurie said that she used crystals, Tarot cards and various other tools that the Christians deem part of the "occult." Laurie claimed that she had many friends who were Wiccan, but that she herself was leaning more back towards her Catholic roots. Laurie said that she had studied many religions and said that her knowledge was a weapon against fear and ignorance.
Mike or "Dragon" as he preferred to be called, said that he was involved with promoting of Christian Heavy Metal Music. Dragon said that he used to have the idea that "Christians were wimps." Mike's father's job took the family to Afghanistan and there he saw a lot of other religions. Dragon was angry with his mom because she was a strict disciplinarian and spanked him naked in the yard in front of his friends as a child. Having no way to deal with the emotional abuse, Mike said that he turned to KKK groups for companionship. Mike said that his dad was an alcoholic and he had friends involved with the occult. He didn't relate how he got "saved."
Jay was a well-spoken, well dressed 19 year old from Colorado Springs. His opening comments were, "I'm not a cat killing Satan worshipper." Jay said that he was an ex-Lutheran who felt that "God failed me. He showed me nothing." Jay said that Satanism gave him peace of mind. Larson asked him: "How can Satanism resolve anger?" Jay replied: "By not building up a pipe dream." "What do you do for the Devil?" Larson asked him. Jay replied that he performed ceremonies and rituals.
In reference to Sean Sellers, Jay commented that he thought that Sellers was mentally disturbed (I agree).
Larson: "What assurances do we have living near you that the evil powers wouldn't make you slip over the edge?"
Jay: "Because I don't have a brain disorder. I'm not mentally disturbed."
Jeff was a 19 year old who said that he was initiated into Satanism on Samhain of that year. Jeff opened his segment by saying, "Except for religious views, I am a normal person. I'm not a leper. I'm a normal human being. You can come and talk to me."
Larson tried to get Jeff to say that during his initiation that blood was used, but Jeff maintained that it was a mixture of Bacardi and Mountain Dew in the chalice. Copeland got the impression that Larson and the audience did not believe this for a minute.
Larson: "As a Satanist, who do you invoke?"
Jeff: "The 4 powers of Hell."
Larson: "Why do you do this?"
Jeff: "I wanted to be totally committed to my religion. I now fell better about myself."
Larson (speaking to Sean Sellers via satellite hookup): "Sean, did you hear the suggestion that you're crazy?"
Larson: "And are you?"
Jay: "Were you?"
Sellers: "Maybe. I don't think so."
At this point Larson motioned for the Cult Watch Response people to come to the microphone. Copeland reports that Larson began by making snide references to the fact that they were sort of an "anti defamation for the Witches."
Copeland replied that this was correct. Copeland was there with the Board of Directors of Cult Watch Response and Copeland was the area coordinator for my Wiccan Information Network at the time. Larson seemed a bit taken aback that his intended joke turned out to be more true than he knew. Larson asked Copeland what she and her associates were doing there. Copeland replied that they had come to see what was being said and to tell people what Witches were really about. Larson wanted to know what kind of mis-information Copeland thought he was spreading. Copeland told him that Witches didn't murder babies and hold wild orgies and that he darn well knew it. Larson agreed. Larson mentioned that the juveniles in the panel were not following Anton LaVey because they claimed not to be doing certain things outlined LaVey's Satanic Bible. Copeland pointed out to Larson, that just because LaVey said it, didn't make it true. Copeland reports: "We chatted a bit more and finally agreed to disagree theologically." Larson wanted to know if Copeland had any parting words. Copeland told Larson that the audience had no idea of the kind of courage it took to stand in front of an audience of 500 people who thought we were after their kids and tell them that we were not what they thought we were. Larson gave Copeland a big hug and the Cult Watch Response group returned to their seats. Copeland reports that Larson's audience was visibly shaken.
Larson then returned to the Questions and Answers session with the panel:
Eddie (to Laurie): "You say knowledge is your weapon. Do you find anything subversive to the Bible?"
Laurie: "I have found instances of human sacrifice in the Bible."
Name Unknown: "What about moral values? Do you set them yourselves? If so, if society changes, do your values change?"
Jay: "Possibly yes, Possibly no. It depends."
Larson: "Is there anything that you believe is always wrong?"
Jay: "Yes: Rape. I don't think there's ever a time when it's right."
A Police Detective from Loveland remarked to the Satanists that he thought that they were being wishy-washy. He was a black man, and was quite vehement in his viewpoints, often shouting at the kids.
Larson to Jay: "Did you call upon the devil before you came here today?"
Jay: "I called upon myself."
Sally: "Anton LaVey did not start Satanism."
Copeland reported that after the main seminar, Sally and her mother had a private session with the law enforcement officers present. Following this panel discussion, there was a break. Copeland and the Cult Watch Response people were surrounded by with curious people who wanted to talk to the Witches, or who wanted to save their souls. CWR handed out business cards and "Origins of Halloween" pamphlets. Among the questions that Copeland remembers fielding are the following:
"A lovely blonde lady from Texas said that her mother was a White Witch. She asked: 'Now, you consider yourself a White Witch, right?'"
"No. There is no such thing as a black or white witch. Witches are Witches. Period."
"She then tried to get me to read Biblical passages concerning Witches. I told her I didn't believe in it. She asked me why I was a Witch and I told her that Christianity didn't meet my spiritual needs."
"Do you out of body travel?"
"No. I've looked at it a bit, but I don't actively use it."
"Do you do trance channelling.?"
"No. I think it's a bunch of new age hype."
"Do you worship Pan?"
"No Ma'am. I worship a Celtic pantheon. Pan is Greek."
"Well then what do you do that makes you a Witch?"
"I am a priestess of the Goddess and that makes me a witch."
"This lady never did understand that Wicca was a religion, just as Christianity is a religion."
"Two young men from Eugene, Oregon, talked to me. They started out with:"
"OK. You believe that our religion is wrong, right?"
"Wrong. I believe that it is wrong for me. It's perfectly fine for you."
"That's a pat answer. You believe its wrong. If yours is right, ours has to be wrong."
"'Not at all. You seem perfectly satisfied with your religion. It's all right for you. It's wrong for me.' They never did seem to understand and seemed shocked when I wished them a safe and pleasant journey home."
"A young man in a 'Jesus Saves' T shirt accosted me by beginning, "you call on your demonic powers and I'll call on my Jesus and we both know who'll win."
"I looked puzzled and told him, 'But I have absolutely no desire to be confrontational with you.' Now he looked puzzled and said, 'Well, I just wanted you to know Jesus loves you and I love you too.' I smiled and thanked him. Now he really looked confused."
"One lady came up and asked me about the necklace I was wearing. It is a lovely string of moonstones given to me by my former High Priest. I told her they were moonstones. I had worn them to remind me to conduct myself as a High Priestess and not to get carried away."
"What do they do?"
"They're pretty rocks. I like pretty rocks."
"I know she expected me to state that they housed the spirit of my dead grandmother or something. It was really awfully funny."
"A couple of cops spoke to us and asked us if they could call us if they had any need of 'occult crime experts.' We were delighted and said yes. They also run a ministry, but say that they don't buy everything that's told to them by Jones and company."
"One Christian minister stated that he had bought 10 different pamphlets on the occult crime from different ministries and complained that they all said something different. He also bemoaned the lack of documentation. He said that he had finally given up and read some of the Wiccan material. He was very glad to get the 'Origins of Halloween' pamphlet with its documentation."
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Bio: Kerr Cuhulain the author of this article, is known to the mundane world as Detective Constable Charles Ennis. Ennis, a former child abuse investigator, is the author of several articles on child abuse investigation that appeared in Law & Order Magazine. Better known to the Pagan community by his Wiccan name, Kerr Cuhulain, Ennis was the first Wiccan police officer to go public about his beliefs 28 years ago. Kerr is now the Preceptor General of Officers of Avalon. Kerr went on to write four books: The Law Enforcement Guide to Wicca (Horned Owl Publishing), Wiccan Warrior and Full Contact Magick: A Book of Shadows for the Wiccan Warrior. (Llewellyn Publications), as well as a book based on this series: Witch Hunts: Out of the Broom Closet (Spiral Publishing).
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