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Posted: April 17th. 2004 5:59:56 AM

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Decided to renonunce...

by the doc

Age Group: Adult

To remove the distress caused by repentance (of not obeying the commands of God or the Guru) renunciation has been thought of and is being described. That renunciation, especially on both the paths of knowledge and devotion for God realization has been known and is being expressed.

In this Iron-age, those following the path of virtuous actions for God realization must not resort to renunciation. Hence, in the beginning stages on the path of devotion, as is usually described as the obliging duty of a devotee, to renounce, is being described in detail after sincere thoughts on the subject.

To attain the proper heights in the nine-fold famous means as described in the scriptures like attentive listening etc., if it is necessary to renounce, then it is not desirable. Listening to the Leelas of God requires some help as well as company, as also protection and maintenance of the articles and means required to listen to the glories of God. Due to the inappropriate food intake and the resultant bonds of attachment and infatuation, as opposed to the requirements of Sanyaas of being alone, wondering and expectationless, and the repeated requirement as mentioned in the scriptures of attentive listening is not desired.

The feeling of the house as bothering and hindrance in the feeling of deep love of God, if for same reason renunciation is desired, then it is improper and not sanctioned by the scriptures. Moreover, one meets only those type of people which are similar to oneself and not anybody greater or holier or pious or devout. One then becomes a hypocrite, attached to all vices due to one’s own weaknesses and the harmful effects prevalent of time in this Iron Age. Such vices-addicted people who have not overcome their subtle body and psyche do not have or experience permanently the glory of God within them.

Due to all the above obstacles and sins as mentioned, in this time and age, at the beginning stages on the path of devotion, to experience fully ones deep love and attachment for God, renunciation of the house does not bestow happiness.

That renunciation, done to experience the extreme separation of oneself with God has been praised in the scriptures. The bonds caused by one’s wife – son etc with oneself, which are mutual, in the path of devotion, that renunciation is mentioned with the rules of ‘Tri-danda’ i.e. with the proper apparel of the loin cloth and staff of the wandering monk with silence and breath control for mastering the mind, body and speech and in no other form.

Muni Koundinya, who attained God realization by this intense feeling of separation, as well as the Gopijanas of Vraj are considered as the Gurus in this form of renunciation. The means that they utilized were their intensities of feeling which brought them nearer to the experience of God, no other means are desirable. In such intense feelings of separation , being helpless, weak and feeling ill are commonly recognizable characteristics. These feeling are not for any worldly or menial things. The knowledge of everything that exists as a part of God, lead to gradual destruction of that intensity of feeling in one’s own conscience. By experiencing and knowing in totality the omnipresence of God, one attains the ‘Satyaloka’ a type of celestial heaven.

Where intensity of feeling is the means for attainment of God therein, the ends too definitely correspond to that feeling and one attains that immediately after that. One who is profound in such knowledge on the path of God, definitely attains the Satyaloka without doubt.

Like fire from a peace of wood, if due to intensity of feeling for God, if He or the Self, manifests outside of one’s own body and then re-enters oneself, only then does one become totally free of all bonds and attachments and by no other means or paths of God realization like that of knowledge etc. Listening to the divine attributes of God till He manifests Himself, is definitely advantageous in life. God, being the ultimate attainment, is not considered here as the cause of all faced obstacles and hindrances nor is it expected of Him to sympathize or speak words full of empathy and courage which rejuvenate one or give one hope and better spirits as the compassionate God never becomes opposite to what He is.

This kind of ultimate renunciation for God realization is very rare and is only achieved out of intense love for God.

In the path of knowledge, and its attainment, two types of renunciation, one for gaining knowledge and being learned and other to remove all obstacle in God realization has been thought of. Yet, God realization occurs after various births. Moreover, as mentioned in the Brahmasutras, requirements of performing sacrifices (yagjnas) or attentive listening for knowledge, expectation of all these mixed means of knowledge, virtuous acts, devotion is expected. That renunciation, in this iron-age is done out of guilt and repentance in the beginning or the learning stage in this path. That done to remove obstacles in God realization due to disappearance of pure God giving knowledge is Kaliyuga is not worth pursuing.

Moreover, there are great possibilities of being involved in debasement, being internally polluted with vices and hypocrisy leading to a downfall. Hence, due to the prevalence of multiple faults in this Age, it is well recognized that renunciation should not be resorted to in the path of knowledge for God realization.

In the path of devotion, and its previously mentioned renunciation, what should one do if one faces the faults prevalent due to the Iron Age? That is being described. In the beginning stages on this path of devotion, by resorting to renunciation, there are no definite examples of a devotee facing downfall or being debased or degenerate by his feelings. To maintain life by begging like a mendicant, and the food begotten too is provided to God, hence what harm can befall such a devotee? God Himself thus cannot create any obstacles for such a devotee, then how can Time or Age etc? be the source of such hindrances? If they do so, mothers would not nourish their children with their milk, as all would eventually lead to delusion and misguided beliefs. By the statements of those on the path of knowledge that Maya, the illusionary strength of God will see to it that it affects and deviates a devotee from his path, does not hold true for a truly pious devotee. He has already offered and surrendered himself to the protection of God, is dear to God Himself; Maya does not create any trouble for him, does not even come near him or indulge him in the bonds of infatuation. Due to these reasons, as mentioned to His devout Uddhav in the 11th Skandha of the Shreemad Bhaagwat, those on the paths of devotion must renounce or else he falls down from his own urge of knowing God, experiencing intense separation and eventually following His wish. This is what I, Mahaprabhuji, definitely understand about renunciation,

In this manner, for pleasing God Krushna and according to His wishes, God’s very dear Mahaprabhuji, inspired by Him, accepted renunciation in this Pushti Maarg path of devotion for attainment of God ( and he himself took the Tri-danda Sanyaas) . Renunciation for any other ends or in any other way leads to eventual downfall and destruction.

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