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8/11/2003
10:19:15 am EDT
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Druid Focuses Earth's Energy To Curb Autobahn Accidents
Author: The Telegraph (UK) Source: The Sydney Morning Herald (AU)
Title: DRUID FOCUSES EARTH'S ENERGY ON ROAD TOLL
Druids have been brought in to reduce the number of accidents on Austria's worst stretch of autobahn.
The Druids have put up huge roadside monoliths to restore the natural flow of "earth energy". After the one ton pillars of white quartz were erected beside a notorious stretch of road during a secret two-year trial, the number of fatal accidents fell from an average of six a year to zero.
Gerald Knobloch, who describes himself as an archdruid, used a divining rod to inspect the 275-metre stretch of the A9 in Styria and restore "earth energy lines".
The pillars had a similar function to acupuncture, he said. "Acupuncture needles also restore broken energy lines. What acupuncture does for the body, the stones do for the environment."
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| Science Being Born Of Imagination Often Quotes Sha | Aug 12th. at 11:59:28 pm EDT |
by Lianer (Virginia) - wc_xemail
"There are more things in heaven and earth Horatio than dreamt of in our lifetime"
-Shakespere
"Mindality is the ability to change reality simply by having enough 'force of will' to do so. Reality is what you make of it, really. It is mindality"
-Q, in I, Q, Star Trek the Next Generation
Science was born of imagination, and the desire to know. It is the sibling of so dubbed "mystics" its elder, full of wisdom when true. Science, full of intelligence, when clear.
Science can never stop inventing more measurement devices, for mindality is unlimited untill it is snuffed out from all children. This cannot be, for the will of such a child so rare, is greater than true concieving. Issac Newton created Calculus for no mathematics in his time could measure what he sought.
The energy of mystics may some day be measured in some part by science, but it will have to walk side by side in joyous serenity, in peace, and not mix and match, for either to be well. Until science finds a way to break the limit of need of measurement before discovery, the pure "mindness" so valued by mathematicians, scientists, and yes, even witches and pagans (for the mind and spirit need be togather) will be forever farther along in the wisdom of "Mystics" so old and new.
-Blessed Be!
-Lianer
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| Measurement Is Limited By Equipment... | Aug 12th. at 11:44:40 pm EDT |
by Lianer (Virginia) - wc_xemail
Scientists will very seldom admit their branch of study is eventually as "abstract" as the "mystical" realms.
Mathematics, quantum physics, even the invention of new areas of study and tools such as Calculus by Newton, all of these come from the abstract genius of those unafraid to try, and heed not the boundaries for they are of the mindality to change "reality".
Eventually, instruments may indeed be invented to "measure" the energies and waves of "mystics". However, with the exception of hard-core precisionists, nearly every scientist will indeed admit that despite the "human error" factor of experiments, it is the facility of the sentient being which outdoes the mechanics each time.
So until the time comes when science and mystics walk side-by-side but not mix and match, we will know what we have known for eons and science has yet to see, or feel.
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| Telling Comment | Aug 12th. at 9:29:11 am EDT |
by Wild_Huntsman (Toronto, Ontario) - wc_xemail
"Natural sciences need evidence. Whatever can't be measured, does not exist, " said Georg Walach, a geophysics professor at Leoben University in southern Austria. "These energy lines and their flow cannot be grasped or measured, and their existence is therefore rejected by scientists."
This is a classic, close-minded attitude prevalent in the science community that refuses to acknowledge the possibility of effects not explained by simple mechanics. If this man were a real scientist, he would look at the observations and wonder, with curiosity, why putting up a couple of quartz crystals should have any effect at all (which is what I'm wondering) . Just as some religions reject what is before them because it isn't doctrine, this "scientist" is rejecting evidence before his eyes without even attempting an alternate explanation. Maybe it is just the sight of two large monoliths that cause the drivers to slow down and have a look.
But this "scientist" is just as wrong in his attitude and assumptions as the Church was when they tortured Gallileo. Because another scientist (whose name escapes me and searching for the paper will take way too long) at the University of Calgary last year, proved conclusively that divining rods can pick out geological anomalies. Furthermore, the study proved that everyone is sensitive to these fields, by measuring changes in muscle tension.
It is so neat that the engineers were open enough to try anything that worked, regardless of it's acceptability to the "authorities." Shakespeare was right, there are more things in heaven and earth that are dreamt of in our philosophy.
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| I Think It's Good Publicity And A Good Message | Aug 12th. at 8:53:43 am EDT |
by Tishmaran (Massachusetts, USA) - wc_xemail
Perhaps the most amazing thing of all in this case is that the motorway authority (presumably non-Pagan) called upon Pagans to help fix a community problem.
As a witch, I am elated ! to know that there is a place in the mainstream for our way of life and our arts; as an American, I'm a bit envious that we rarely, if ever, see this sort of involvement in this country...that our governments and society have less respect for these Ways.
Blessed Be the Souls of those who vindicate the art and those who lovingly practice it.
The archdruid's acupuncture simile was excellent. A good knowledge of the acupoints on the planet's surface is paramount to living in harmony with Her.
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| Whether Or Not... | Aug 12th. at 6:43:49 am EDT |
by Andie C. (Kansas) - wc_xemail
Whether or not you believe he's real Druid is sort of irrelevant to this particular issue. I'm all for it because, unlike some other oafish press-hounding characters I could mention - *cough*Kevin*cough*- , this guy is actually doing something :useful: for the community, instead of running around playing hide-and-seek with Nessie. He's doing something practical that's actually working to help save lives.
Good work Monolith Man! *grin*
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| East Meets West | Aug 12th. at 12:21:31 am EDT |
by Jeremiah Dearg (Pottstown, PA) - wc_xemail
The ideas given here are anything but new. Geomancy (Feng Shui) has been around for ages, and there are other sciences than the modern West. It is a Western idea that if it cannot be measured with the five senses that it does not exist. This is the foundation of modern science. It is also wrong. Nowadays, the only refuge for such Ideas is the Eastern Philosophies, for they have been driven out of the West...but are now returning. Because Western Science can't explain it all. The Druids of old, I think might have taken a similar approach. I don't feel they would have disapproved at all...except, of course, that perhaps if they were still in a position of authority, the road might not have been built that way in the first place. Just a Thought.
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| If It Works - Use It | Aug 11th. at 11:03:38 pm EDT |
by Christie Lee (New Jersey) - wc_xemail
Scientists will always say if it can't be measured or repeated, its not valid science.
At least these road designers are admitting it works and are giving the Druids the ability to repeat the "experiment.
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| Whatever Can't Be Measured, Does Not Exist | Aug 11th. at 7:32:33 pm EDT |
by Pleiadian Floater (Minneapolis, MN) - wc_xemail
So apparently designing engineers might just as well resign and get jobs as romance novelists or house painters - because science already has developed all the possible measuring tools there could ever be in the universe. Probably did it way back around 1900 when someone famous suggested closing the Patent Office because everything that could be invented already had been...
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| So Whats New | Aug 11th. at 6:17:33 pm EDT |
by Druidrex (Tampa, Florida) - wc_xemail
The Druids have been using the influence of lay-liners since before most of the standing stone were erected. It's the same as a fault line or a river. Nothing new. I'm surprised by these "SELF PROCLAIMED" pagans bashing the practices of neo-druidry. Considering the druid culture has been around LONG before witta and most other esoteric belief systems. Most people laugh at what they don't understand or are intimedated by. The funny thing is that the Druids are one of the few Pagan Priesthoods that are have a historical record as being a major influence on the ancient and modern world. Because we have such a rich recorded and unrecorded oral history some pagan think them to be mainstream or even dangerous. I wish people would read and use common sense these days. It seem picking up a book and using logic are becoming lost arts in this new generation. Truth, Knowledge, and Oneness in the Universe to all.
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| Go Druids! | Aug 11th. at 6:03:06 pm EDT |
by Brian (Mission Viejo, CA) - wc_xemail
I wonder if that scientist they quoted knows just how much he revealed about the inadequacy of his worldview in that one sentence. "Whatever cannot be measured does not exist." Okay--you've got a whole army of engineers, consultants, contractors and goodness knows what else working to stop the accidents on this stretch of highway with everything they've got. Yet all the king's horses and all the king's men don't seem to be able to fix the problem. Then along comes a Druid who does a (scientifically invalid) divination to diagnose a (imaginary) problem in a (non-existent) energy flow, erects a couple of stones and FIXES THE BLOODY PROBLEM. Seems to me that if I were a good, inquisitive scientist, I'd be working to find out what the Druids know that my colleagues don't.
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| Ya Know... | Aug 11th. at 5:00:46 pm EDT |
by Gray Bear (Tempe, AZ) - wc_xemail
I'm a Druid m'self - OBOD actually - gotta tell ya I figure that if the ancients were the people I think they were - that some of the people within their caste established and facilitated the laws and customs of the land.
So I says to myself...I says "Self....if there was a ancient Druid around here who saw that harmony was really crappy in an area and people were getting hurt...wouldn't they go and do something about it - and would they use their respective Gods and spirits to work the energy correctly??" and myself answered "YEP!" - so more power to them!
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| Ah...good To Know | Aug 11th. at 3:40:22 pm EDT |
by Phoenix (West Des Moines, Iowa) - wc_xemail
Good to know that I'm on the path to Kookdom.
Pelagius says, (sic) "Why is it always quacks that want to call themselves Druids?"
Possibly because there's a sense of feeling and belonging there that ties people specifically to the Druidic way? The same that draws certain others to the Wiccan path, others to the Vodou path, still others to the path of Santeria...you get my point.
I, for one, am studying to self-initiate as a Druid, on top of my self-study of Wicca. It's probably such that the Druids of yesteryear wouldn't so much laughed...more like be quite saddened. Religious Scholoars, physicians, lawyers/judges, historians, astronomers...those are all things that no longer have a legal place with the Druid, as were taken out of that realm a long time ago with their organized demise in ancient Celtic society. By today's standards, the definitions have changed drastically.
This can actually point to a hybrid of the "nonsense" arguments about this. I'd like to know...how is it so stupid? As a Pagan, can you not feel the energy of the earth in the elements? In the spiritual plains? In your connection to Diety? Is it any less valid because, as science has tried to say, there's no proof?
From the scientific standpoint, I can imagine why they'd see nothing real into it. But coming from a Pagan...it's good to know that the path I'm studying to devote myself to is, in the eyes of some of by bretheren, worthy of the crackhouse and, therefore, scornful shame and laughter.
Conversely, it can also be said that many a person would careen off the road to look at these monolyths due to not paying attention to where they are on the road. Ever slow down to see one of those 200-foot-high crosses that permeate the land every now and again? Ever seen an accident happen from it? I sure have. The only surefire way to NOT crash while driving and looking at something is to pull over and not drive. Any way it goes, figures don't lie. Before and After facts don't lie. Do we revert to science and nonbelief out of hand because it just can't happen...i.e., there's no evidence?
Nowadays, Druids are in a role for revering, feeling, sensing, actively searching and improving the power of the Earth and her energy, in addition to working with the Celtic Gods and Goddesses in that aim. It also demands patience, wisdom and foresight which are borne of temperance. That's a very abridged version, and I'm sure that someone else will post something else on Druidic practices at length, if given the time and inclination...but Is this *truly* such a "stupid" path to follow? I, for one, believe not. I, for one, can say that my quick temper and quick judgement have been tempered due to these studies. Not fully, mind you, but it has helped at length.
I call myself a Druid in training, and will not self-initiate and call myself a full Druid until I feel I am ready. HOWEVER...I feel it very spiteful to belittle anothers' path in this manner. How many times have you been in any position from the Christian standpoint that our collective Pagan paths are "stupid" just because they're different from their own? That they cannot be valid because you don't worship the same God that they do?
Maybe...just maybe...this was the right call...and, like the article said...cost less that resurfacing a stretch of road while accomplishing the goal: That of saving lives.
Is THAT stupid, too?
Blessings to all,
In Love and Light,
Phoenix
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| I Spy | Aug 11th. at 1:51:17 pm EDT |
by Dj (Santa Clara) - wc_xemail
Any chance that people drove by a brand new one ton white monolith and *slowed down* to look at it?
Dj
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| No Title | Aug 11th. at 1:11:28 pm EDT |
by Raven (NJ) - wc_xemail
Given the extreme paucity of material available on what the Druids were up to thousands of years ago, it's just as silly to assume that they did not engage in this kind of activity as it is to assume that they did. What one age calls science, another calls superstition - and vice versa.
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| Modern Scientific Methodology Operates Under | Aug 11th. at 12:55:32 pm EDT |
by Green Bird (Alaska) - wc_xemail
the assumption that you can never really prove that something (a theory) is true, you can only prove that something is not true. For example. The question may be, "Is the earth flat?" After the advent of optical devices and mathmatics that measured the curveture of the earth, scientists could then say, "We now can say it isn't flat." But, still couldn't say it's round either, 'cause maybe its oval, or a sprial, or ......
Granted there may be flaws in this practice, but it's the one of the basic premices scientists are taught about developing hypothesis and theory, and what the world's scientific community opperates by.
What I find interesting is that the Highway's own statistics (which would have been nice if they had provided for us in more detail) show that there was an affect after the change was made. So, using the above Standard Operating Procedure, then something caused the traffic accidents to go down. Was it: A: Large quarts monoliths on the road surprized motorists, which gave them a shot of adrenaline, and they woke up to avoid a tricky part of the road. B: The motorists actually recieved energy from the monoliths and became more alert drivers. C: A freak statistical anomoly occurred and this was just a really good driving year for motorists in that section of road. D: A energy is being routed to the cars from the crystals, which then help drive themselves through that section. E... etc. I'm sure I could think of a few more after another shot of caffine..... Anyway, crystals sure would be nicer to look at than road signs, hope nobody graffitties them. Having a cynical Monday a.m....BB
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