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7/11/2006
12:23:12 pm EDT
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Sex Witch Feels Parole Order 'Harsh'
Author: Katie Lapthorne Source: The Herald Sun (AU)
Title: SEX WITCH FEELS PAROLE ORDER 'HARSH'
Sex witch Robin Fletcher wants a review of his strict parole supervision order, saying it is harsher than jail itself.
Fletcher, 49, was paroled last month after serving a 10-year maximum sentence for sex offences.
But the Adult Parole Board imposed extraordinary restrictions on him.
The supervision order governs where Fletcher lives, whom he visits, and when he can leave his address, and requires that he participate in treatment programs.
The sex sadist appeared in the Supreme Court via video-link yesterday, asking for a review of the conditions.
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| Two Wrongs Do Not A Right Make | Jul 12th. at 10:58:29 am EDT
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karrie9 (Kenosha, Wisconsin) - Email Me - Web
The courts are dealing with Fletcher, so now what some journalists are doing should be addressed.
People of all religions commit crimes. There is no religion exempt from the harmful, criminal, insane, or stupid in its midst.
Exercise For Journalists/Prosecutors: Take an article/case like this and replace the word Pagan/Druid/Witch, should it come up, with the word Christian/black/Catholic/Asian/Mexican/Arab/Indian and so on..
Emotional Abuse May Include:
· Ridiculing others' culture, traditions, religion and personal tastes for less than noble, educational, or constructive criticism purposes.
· Punishing whole branches of religions or practices for not being pristine and without any crime -- something which no group or religion is.
· Misleading/misinforming by omission or association.
With the abocve in mind, take a look at the discussions (in link below) of the Power and Control Wheels used to educate about various relationships and abuse.
[Web LINK]
It's bad enough there are sexual predators like Fletchers in the world, we don't need prejudiced journalists who pounce on a story like this.
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| Statutory Presumptions | Jul 12th. at 8:55:51 am EDT
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Mysteries Child (Garfield, West Virginia) - Email Me
Yes, there may be fifteen-year-olds who are unusually mature enough to be capable of truly consenting to sexual relations with an adult.
They are, however, few and far between. However much they've grown up, however adult they are becoming, the vast majority of kids that age still are kids. Kids in adult bodies trying very hard to exhibit adult behaviors and learn to be adults...
...but, especially mentally and emotionally, still *kids.* In other words, prone to be used and manipulated by someone who's had a decade or so more to learn how the human mind works, which strings to pull, which buttons to press.
A sort-of example:
A friend of mine's 28-year-old ex is dating a 19-year-old. He's a predator, they've been dating for less than six weeks, and she's already moving in and trying to be just like my friend, who he used up and then threw out.
We've tried to warn her. Nothing gets thru. She's 19. She knows everything. She's not-a-kid-anymore-goddammit.
And I hope she hangs on to some good friends to pick her up and take her in five or ten years down the road, when he's given her the same treatment.
I realize that's different. She's not a minor. There are no social sanctions for her to end up bearing the brunt of.
But she's not an adult, either. I wasn't fully an adult at 19. My husband wasn't fully an adult at 19. I don't know of anyone in my generation or the one before who was fully an adult at 19.
And if the vast majority of 19-year-olds are not fully adults, what does that imply for the vast majority of 15-year-olds??
I hate to say that protecting the vast majority is more important than allowing liberty for the very few, because that's a dangerous generalization...
...but in this one case I think it's a valid one none the less. There are a lot more predators out there than there are adults who are honestly in love with a teenager.
And speaking of being honestly in love with a teenager (which, by the way, it certainly seems this guy was NOT; you don't trick people you love into prostitution, nor do you prostitute spiritual beliefs to manipulate someone you love) ...
...I can understand someone feeling the emotions. I have cared a great deal for quite a few minors; on the other hand, as I minor I held very strong feelings for some of my teachers. In fact, the first pleasant sexual thoughts I ever had revolved around a teacher. He was attractive, and he listened to me, and he was kind.
BUT. Had I voiced those feelings, he would never ever ever ever have allowed anything to come of them. If one of my students voiced such desires to me, I would never ever ever ever allow anything to come of them.
There's a healthy interest in saving my own backside, of course. I don't like prison. But, much more importantly than that, there's something that I've said again and again and again...
THERE IS AN EXTREMELY STRONG CULTURAL TABOO AGAINST SEX BETWEEN CHILDREN AND ADULTS. Regardless of the emotions, regardless of the intentions, regardless of *anything,* violating that taboo is pretty much guaranteed to cause **extremely** painful things. Severe cognitive dissonance, social censure in the form of judgment, ridicule, and rejection, isolation, shame, guilt.
In my opinion, knowingly and willfully subjecting someone to that darn near constitutes abuse in and of itself. Certainly no one who truly loves somebody would knowingly and deliberately bring that upon their beloved when it could be so easily avoided.
If you think you're love someone who's underage, I've got one thing to say-- REAL LOVE WAITS.
Fletcher, on the other hand, wouldn't know love if it walked up and bit him on the scrotum. Love doesn't prostitute, or systemically manipulate, or plot to deliberately deceive on that massive a scale.
If he doesn't like his parole, put him back in prison. It's much more forgiving than what I'd like to do.
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| A Quick Note To The Article's Author | Jul 12th. at 7:06:11 am EDT
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jim (orlando, Florida) - Email Me
I sent a quick note to the author of the article. Here is the text.
Mr. Gregory,
Just a minor point on your story. This Fletcher person may be "a self-proclaimed witch", but he is certainly not a practitioner of the Craft. (i.e. Witchcraft, Wicca, Paganism) . Witches have one cardinal rule (pardon the pun) . This rule, called the Rede, is "And it harm none, do as thou will" -the first part of that statement being the most important. No true practitioner of the Craft could ever harm anyone without provocation, and certainly harming innocent children is not tolerated. I've been a part of the Craft for several years, and have seen multiple circumstances where idiots like this Fletcher person have tried to insinuate themselves into practicing covens. In every case, they were banned from attending any service, function, location or gathering where children might at any point be present. (Since many of us are parents trying to raise children in a good environment, this is effectively a comprehensive ban on any kind of membership.) I would never wish to curtail anyone's religious freedom, but even solitary practitioners of the Craft follow the Rede.
Please do not think I am denigrating your coverage of the story in any way. I simply wish to elucidate to you that anyone who could purposefully harm a child cannot by definition be a practitioner of the Craft. Mr. Fletcher may wish to proclaim himself the Easter bunny, but that does not mean he will grow long ears and have a sudden affection for carrots.
If you would like further information on Witchcraft (Wicca, Paganism) as a religion, please let me know and I'll be happy to supply you with reference material.
Thank you for your time.
Jim Barnebee
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| Correction | Jul 12th. at 4:56:46 am EDT
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Autumn Butterfly (Surprise, Germany) - Email Me
Sorry, it was the Herald Sun...I was close.
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Autumn
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| No Right To Complain | Jul 12th. at 4:55:45 am EDT
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Autumn Butterfly (Surprise, Germany) - Email Me
I can't believe that this guy is complaining!!! He's lucky his genitals are still in tact. If he doesn't like the little bit of freedom that they are giving him, then throw his butt back in jail!
In respose to the title of the article, I sent the Sun Times the following feedback:
-I'm writing in response to your "Sex Witch..." article. Please consider your audience. In no way do I condone what this man did, in fact, if it were up to me he would be neutered. However, I have to wonder, if he had claimed to be a Christian would the title of the article have been, "Sex Christian feels parole order 'harsh'"? Please don't discriminate to improve your flair. -
There is no reason to sensationalize the story any more that it already is.
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| He's An Average Horny Little Pervert | Jul 11th. at 7:51:23 pm EDT
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bigcat (peoria, Illinois) - Email Me
Of Course it's harsh! He's needing a little now, and jail time is cramping his style!
It's too bad that he couldn't be introduced to any REAL cruel and unusual punishment. I'd love to see him as a lion's or'deurve.
This man is bad news to every decent pagan Wiccan or other- because there are so many out there quick to believe that of us. He's just a pervert.
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| Human Rights Violations By Aussies? | Jul 11th. at 6:50:42 pm EDT
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Terry (Irvington, Virginia) - Email Me
It's unclear from these articles why if Fletcher served a maximum sentence, he's subject to parole conditions at all, or if he served 8 years of a ten year sentence, why this is a 5 rather than 2 year parole situation. It appears from limited article info as if state officials may well have perpetrated a fraud based on other physical maladies and lack of resources after years in prison to trick Fletcher into presumably agreeing to some seriously misrepresented conditions.
Why would a pretend Catholic twice removed (Aussie variant of Church of England) priest be entitled to make religiously biased choices of reading or movie viewing content? That sure sounds like a human rights violation imposed on a pagan by some court officer sadist (the real kind, not the consensual BDSM version) .
As to statutory presumptions that 15 year olds cannot consent to sex or BDSM practices, that's a legal fraud rooted in select religions, and requires more extensive individual consideration to determine facts of individual cases. While a serious exception to averages, there have been 15 year olds living in the NYC area with more BDSM experience than many pro-Dom's. One I used to encounter (as a fellow BBS SYSOP, not otherwise) moved to Oz and was married by age 20, after finding US society too obnoxious for her far more mature than age-average tastes. In the US, and any other society subject to basic human rights law, the notion of "bright line" sexual consent laws placed above puberty are very problematic. Notably, Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader-Ginsburg has written about how every such US law imposing a "bright line" statute above age 12 is likely unConstitutional here as well, regardless of prejudices or vicious emotional reactions some have to prefer legal lynchings over protection of core civil rights. Similar legal and cultural foundations would apply the same ages and issues via human rights international law, even in Oz.
All of our rights are compromised if we fail to respect and deal with these types of legal and civil or human rights issues responsibly, regardless of whether Fletcher in this case was a nice person or some form of sicko, which it's largely impossible to distinguish remotely and based on likely very biased media bread and circus.
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| Unfair?? | Jul 11th. at 6:35:30 pm EDT
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Mysteries Child (Garfield, West Virginia) - Email Me
I'm not sure this is unfair journalism at all. I only read the main article, and only once, but I didn't see anything implying that child prostitution, sex with children, or for that matter sex in general were part of "Pagan rituals."
All I saw is that the creep got busted for taking a perverted stereotype and perverting it even more for his own twisted ends.
He's the one you ought to be mad at. Not the journalists. He's done a lot more to defame Paganism.
He just didn't think he was going to be doing it in the media.
And if he thinks the terms of his parole are unfair...
...isn't this the guy that expressed no remorse and basically told the parole board that he had every intent of "continuing to practice his religion" (ie reoffending) ??
If he doesn't like the terms of his parole, maybe he should come talk to me.
Because if it was up to me (at least if I could prove it well enough to satisfy myself) , he'd no longer be in this world. He'd be where-every creeps like him go, getting whatever punishment or praise is his due from whom- or what-ever he serves.
Nor would I have dispatched him quickly. I don't like capital punishment much as a rule. Or vigilante justice.
But every rule has an exception. He might just be an exception.
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| Well | Jul 11th. at 4:39:19 pm EDT
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Feathercloak (Grand Junction, Colorado) - Email Me
Just put him back in jail if he doesn't like it. At least that way we wouldn't have to hear him whine anymore.
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| He Had It Coming | Jul 11th. at 4:02:50 pm EDT
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Wytchywoman (West Plains, Missouri) - Email Me
I live in the bible belt and have enough trouble just worshipping how I see fit. All people like this jerk are doing is making it harder for the rest of us to enjoy religious freedom. I think that he should just suck it up an take it and be glad he isn't in prison in the southern U.S. those big old boys in prison here really like baby rapers!!
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| Does He Know That No One Supports Him? | Jul 11th. at 3:43:21 pm EDT
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Vetch (Tunbridge Wells, England) - Email Me
This man is a sociopath and deserves to never be let out. The sentence is LENIENT, and the sooner he realises that and humbly accepts it the better. No one wants him. No religious community will accept him; he is no Witch or Wiccan or any kind of Pagan, and everyone has effectively denounced him.
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| I Wonder | Jul 11th. at 1:08:02 pm EDT
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Chris K Underwood (Palm Beach County, Florida) - Email Me - Web
If he was a Christian instead of a Witch would we see the headline:
"SEX CHRISTIAN FEELS PAROLE ORDER 'HARSH'"
I have no sympathy for the guy; as far as I’m concerned they can leave him in jail.
Got to wonder about the headline though.
If he was a Christian I’ll bet his religion would not be mentioned.
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