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Date Posted: 12/16/2004 9:25:35 am EST
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Tribal Values Stymie Developers

Author: Deneen L. Brown, The Washington Post Source: The Concord Monitor (NH)

Title: TRIBAL VALUES STYMIE DEVELOPERS
 The elders used to say that one should not make a sound when crossing the water here, lest one awaken the thunderbird who lives just up there, up there.
Up where?
Up there, says Victor Bruce, an elder of the Poplar River First Nation. He is pointing toward the trees in this boreal forest, where migrating songbirds sing.
Bruce says he believes in the thunderbird in the same way he believes that the river is alive and rocks can move, that trees cry when they are cut and the earth cannot be owned. And all the while the thunderbird watches, waiting to descend when it is disturbed, then swooping down, creating thunder and lightning in its wrath, troubling the waters.
Bruce is wondering why others don't believe - that building a road into this forest opens the path to its destruction, that cutting down the trees to make pulp into toilet paper seems wasteful.
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| Our Land, Your Land, Our Land | Dec 18th. at 7:48:15 am EST |

by Valentina (Navajo Reservation, AZ) - wc_xemail

They took our land. They gave our land back if they deemed it useless...and now? It's just the second (third and fourth) coming of the same ole Cavelry...ppfftt.
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| Similiar Problem In Indiana | Dec 16th. at 9:02:20 pm EST |

by Penthesilea (Central Indiana) - wc_xemail

I feel for them. Right now, the State of Indiana is pushing an extention of I-69 that will go through farmlands and virgin forest, wiping out established businesses as well as irreplaceable wildlife habitat. This, in spite of the fact that the state is broke. The selling point they are using to push this through? Jobs. Of course, anyone who looks at I-69 north of Indianapolis won't see jobs, just miles and miles of empty land. Farmed by the owners but no sign of the high paying manufacturing jobs they are promising the south. Fortunately, it is going to take 8 to 14 years to build and a LOT can happen in that time. We haven't given up. There are more important things than getting to Evansville sooner. P.
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| More Power To Them | Dec 16th. at 5:57:21 pm EST |

by Serendyn (ID) - wc_xemail

From the day that the first European set foot on the shores of America, it's indigenous poplulation has been getting ***ed over. Not to mention that much of the difficulty we experience is a direct result of raping the land we live upon. I only hope that this will not continue until we discover that you can't keep sh*tting in your own bed without becoming terminally diseased, though even now it may be too late. May the Goddess have mercy on us all.
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| Why Not Have "lumber Farms"... | Dec 16th. at 12:31:19 pm EST |

by Lonnie Murray (Charlottesville, VA) - wc_xemail - Web

In many places there are lumber farms but generally it is cheaper to cut old growth for the companies. The costs to society though are much higher...
I don't know about Canada, but in the U.S. most of the old growth timber cut is on PUBLIC land. We sell this to timber companies at less than the cost of building the roads and replanting. Because of this policy, taxpayers lose over 10 BILLION dollars per year.
So, why not just grow it? What incentive do landowners have to grow timber when the government just gives it away at a loss? I imagine that this policy also affects the cost of lumber in Canada given the the amount of trade between the two nations. Worst of all, most all the old growth timber cut gets exported to Asia. We can already meet our own needs for wood with existing farms.
So, next time you hear Republicans talking about smaller government, try asking about those billion dollar subsidies of timber corporations...
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| They Did That Already | Dec 16th. at 12:04:36 pm EST |

by Lobohart (Whigham, Georgia) - wc_xemail

They already have lumber farms, the Southeast is covered with planted pines and most of the hardwoods are clearcut and used for toilet paper.
The "eco-hunters" might have meant economy - hunters, not ecologocal - hunters. Hunters who take just the head are called trophy hunters and do not represent the majority of hunters who use the whole animal. Or at least the meat.
The greed and stupidity of mankind will rid the planet of us, we are a parasite to this planet..... and this used to be such a nice place to live.
That's me two cents worth, Lobo
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| Huh? | Dec 16th. at 11:50:10 am EST |

by Susan (Northern Arizona) - wc_xemail

Eco tourists came in and hunted moose and cut off the heads and left the bodies and polluted????
I don't think so...something is missing here.
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| Hmmm | Dec 16th. at 10:48:47 am EST |

by White Raven (Shefford, England) - wc_xemail

Interesting to compare the behaviour of these "ignorant savages" who defend their land with the behaviour of the "superior white men" who are quite happy to see it destroyed.
Who's the ignorant savage now?
(I am not Xtian-bashing in any way at all, oh no, not me, never, etc etc)
BB
White Raven
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| Not Everyone Wants The "benefits" | Dec 16th. at 10:46:35 am EST |

by Phenyx Darkstar (Raleigh, NC) - wc_xemail

of modern life. Not everyone want's to live like Americans do. Damnit it's their land, stay the hell off of it.
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| Admirable | Dec 16th. at 10:19:23 am EST |

by Rowan Foxfyre (Indianapolis, In) - wc_xemail

that a people should stand up for who they are and what they believe. Money isn't everything and without Life there is no need for money at all.
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| Great... | Dec 16th. at 9:51:14 am EST |

by Wild Witch (Michigan) - wc_xemail

This is so sad. I'm starting to PMS and this article has made me cry... Time to "medicate" myself with chocolate! (It really helps.) Old growth forests take ages to grow and mature and they are irreplaceable. When will people wise up? The Amazon alone creates 30% of the oxygen we breathe and when all the forests are gone, what will happen to us? There are trees that grow as much as 20' a year. We have Yule (*wink*) tree farms, why not have "lumber farms"? Then wood can be grown and harvested like a crop. Oh, wait. That would be too simple and easy and not include eventual death and destruction for all living things that need air to *breathe*! Silly me, what WAS I thinking! ;)
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