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8/15/2002
10:18:21 pm EDT
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Kelantan (Malaysia) Issues Shoot-to Kill Order on Tigers
Author: Meng Yew Choong Source: The Star Online (Malaysia)
Title: SHOOT-TO-KILL ORDER ON TIGERS IN KELANTAN
Tigers will be shot on sight in the Jeli and Tanah Merah districts in Kelantan (Malaysia) .
Mentri Besar Datuk Nik Aziz Nik Mat said the decision was made after an inter-agency meeting in Jeli last week, attended by various parties, including the district officers and Kelantan Barisan Nasional chief Datuk Mustapa Mohamed.
“The point is, tigers must not be in Jeli anymore. They are better off dead. I agree that they should be shot for there is no use in keeping them alive.
Nik Aziz said the authorities were enlisting the help of soldiers from army camps in Jeli to shoot the tigers.
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| We Have An Over Population Of Humans, Not Tigers | Aug 21st. at 2:03:45 am EDT |
by Jeff Hendren (Vancouver, Canada) - wc_xemail
The planet seemed to be doing just fine before we climbed to the top of the food chain, and now that we have the ability to alter our enviroment, we seem bent on doing so destructively. I would hope that, given the wealth of opportunity to learn from the mistakes of other areas in the world, the Malaysian government would look to finding less drastic solutions than extermination. As Steve Irwin says, these tigers are apex predators, and by eliminating them, the ecosystem in Jeli is gonna be thrown completely outta wack. 30 years down the road we will be shaking our heads and kicking ourselves for being short sighted and lazy enough to allow this to happen in our life times.
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| Tipping The Ecological Balance | Aug 19th. at 9:30:08 am EDT |
by Cyan (Michigan)
The effects of killing off the tigers would not be immediately felt, long-term effects would take a decade or two to set in. Grazing animals like wild cows and deer might wreak havoc on their crops as the population goes up. And about the deer in Michigan-I have heard that the populations have been slowly starving, and I have also heard the threat of a wasting diesase in deer, which is rather like mad cow-this disease cannot be destroyed by cooking, and impairs proper nuerological funtion. I think the only place where wolves have been confirmed in Michigan is Isle Royale.
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| Not Right? Definately. Necessary? Perhaps | Aug 16th. at 8:09:28 pm EDT |
by Darkwood (Nottingham, England)
Like several of the previous posters, I sympathise with these people. They're no longer able to live their lives because of the constant threat of the tigers. No, I don't think that it is right that they should be exterminated. They shouldn't even be moved from their habitat. It was theirs before we moved into it. But... I don't see any external organisation doing anything about this besides being outraged.
Don't denounce these people for trying to protect themselves.
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| Balance | Aug 16th. at 5:56:08 pm EDT |
by Ruth (Florida) - wc_xemail - Web
I really think the only good solution to this problem is for the Malay government to accept the help that has been offered in finding other ways to deal with the problem, and for those of us interested in saving the tigers to put our money/resources where our mouths are. Wholesale slaughter has been the answer far too many times that we run into conflict with another species. Conflict is to be expected - the problem is when we solve it by eliminating the competition. The tigers are what they are - humans moving in to their territory will not change that.
To the Malay people, this is about personal survival, so guess what they choose? I do not blame them for their perspective. I do blame them if they refuse to consider other alternatives when offered a viable choice.
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| Outrageous! | Aug 16th. at 5:07:57 pm EDT |
by Dragon Myste (Welwyn Garden City, England)
I can't believe I'm reading this! It's outrageous to hear they feel it is right to slaughter these gorgeous creatures like that! Tigers have as much right to live as we do, as it's been said, like it or not we people are not the centre of the universe! Can you say it's alright to judge the fate of another living creature? Is it up to us to decide that they should all be slaughtered!? The very thought of that is disgusting! Also, by doing this we're altering the eco balance. As another posted up about the effect of killing the wolves in Mishigan, by doing so the population of dear increased rapidly because the eco balance was disturbed and the wolves killed and removed from the food chain. Much like the tigers in this story! Lets not forget the population of people is growing especially in third world contry's therefore we are moving in to their habits in order to support all these peopl and their homes, so who's treading on who's territory? In my opinion) as pagans we shouldn't back this, we acknowledge the importance of the life of every living on this Earth and we should strive to protect them not harm them!
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| A Friendly Response..... | Aug 16th. at 3:18:14 pm EDT |
by Ophelia (Michigan, US)
1. Well...I have lived in Michigan my entire life...I wasn't aware that up until this past year, we had an overpopulation of wolves...No, the wolves are long gone..but the deer have grown at a considerable rate...
2. With all-due respect, Phoebe, I would kill any animal that killed my child, husband, brother, sister, friend, cousin...or anyone else's....I don't think the tigers are sitting around saying, we really shouldn't harm those humans, they are so beautiful...predator/prey...it's a natural viewpoint...and yes, I am a Goddess worshipper.
3. The deer analogy was a bit far-fetched,I admit, but I am glad when I go out at night, into my backyard, in the MIDDLE OF TOWN, that it is a herd of deer confronting me, and not a tiger.
4. I am wondering how many pagans live in an area that was once covered with natural wild-life, and now has none or little, due to humans going farther and farther into the wild....I am guessing all of us, so let's not slam another, far poorer country, for doing what they need to survive...ok?
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| True Earth-centered Spirituality | Aug 16th. at 3:06:23 pm EDT |
by Tamo (CA)
Real Earth-centered spirituality would simply see this as another one of nature's conflicts. Humans and tigers and birds and mangoes are all part of this community. And no, it isn't always one big peaceful celebration of life.
Like any family, there will sometimes be spats and intrusions and toes getting stepped on. The higher challenge is to resolve conflicts in a manner that allows all parties to continue growing on their paths.
If Gaia had a courtroom, there would be a lawsuit and countersuit in progress. The two litigants would be the regional humans and the regional tigers. With the right thinking, there can be a mutually satisfying solution for both parties.
Those humans who aren't in the conflict can certainly have their opinions, but we should be mindful not to apply our personal values as judgements upon those who live in the actual conflict.
Many Malay people live closer to the Earth than many of us ever will (or ever want to). And that's neither good nor bad for anybody. That's just a recogition of the paths we are on.
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| Ecological Balance | Aug 16th. at 2:51:38 pm EDT |
by Elise (Michigan, USA)
The reason that Michigan and in fact most of the eastern US is overrun with deer is because an identical and unfortunately successful attempt to eradicate a predator has already taken place. If we hadn't been in such a hurry to get rid of the wolves, there wouldn't be so many deer. The tiger situation is also not the same in that the tiger interactions are occurring not because the tigers are reproducing and spreading, but because humans are moving farther and farther into their habitat. That said, there are plenty of other management options available to deal with wildlife interactions. Using this approach on a desperately endangered species is ridiculous.
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| Why The Murder? | Aug 16th. at 2:36:47 pm EDT |
by wiccan_melancholic (novascotia,canada) - wc_xemail
It is ignorant to just go and murder these beautyful animals, why not trap or tranquilize them and put them in another territory, murdering them is not nessasary, this must be stopped, I would give my life, if it meant that just one would live
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| Good Grief | Aug 16th. at 2:13:48 pm EDT |
by Phoebe (USA)
We're not talking about hunting down one or two man-killers, it's not just a cull, the intention is to wipe out the entire species. Ophelia, if you want to generalize about what Pagans should or shouldn't be like then I might as well say that I'm amazed that any Pagan would agree with this slaughter. A species is inconvenient so we exterminate it, is that it? Real Earth centered spiritulaity that is.
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| Unfortunately....... | Aug 16th. at 1:44:48 pm EDT |
by Ophelia (Michigan, US)
I can sympathize with the people of Malaysia...We currently have a deer overpopulation problem in my area...these "majestic creatures" are eating gardens, farm crops, causing a food shortage for those of us who live off our gardens in the summer, and raising prices for farm produce.. we are having more than the usual number of car-deer accidents...and these "poor helpless animals" have even run thru store-front plate-glass windows. I have news for those who have never been close to live deer (or tigers) They are not poor and helpless...People have the right to do what they need to survive...this isn't a type of genocide, this is a matter of survival..this isn't like the U.S. Soldiers slaughtering the Buffalo 150 years ago...I'm certain that if several of the previous posters were unable to go to work-thus unable to provide food for their children-they'd feel differently....open your minds and hearts, people...pagans aren't supposed to be so judgemental, based on one story...(or even one side of the story)
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| Why Are We Maligning Malaysia? | Aug 16th. at 12:18:56 pm EDT |
by Setcheti (Pueblo, CO)
Yes, I feel for the tigers. NO, I don't think the tigers should all be killed. But we have to remember, Malaysia is a Third World country. Do I see the WWF or any of the other animal rights organizations stepping forward to trap and remove the tigers since the country involved can't afford to keep them? No, so far they haven't. It's much easier to condemn an unpleasant solution than it is to take responsibility for solving the problem yourself.
And as an afterthought: we love tigers, they're beautiful, wonderful animals. But that's because *we* see them in zoos, not in our backyards. Four deaths doesn't sound like much in our violence-saturated society...unless it was your husband or son who was mauled to death while trying to support his family.
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| Gotta Love Andro-centrism | Aug 16th. at 9:35:48 am EDT |
by Annis (Rochester, NY)
What I love is the statement that people are obviously more important than tigers. How long is it going to take people to realize that we're not the center of the universe? And that we are, just like monkeys, considered prey by quite a few other species.
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| Disgusting!!! | Aug 16th. at 5:41:23 am EDT |
by Psyche (New Zealand) - wc_xemail
I can't believe that, knowing how endangered the Tiger is that people would actually CHOOSE to kill these stunning creatures. No I don't think "It's better to just shoot them" but far better to move them out of the area, or maybe send them to zoos to aid in the conservation of Tigers for future generations.
I know that WSPA and any other animal aide organizations won't stand for this, I for one would be happy to see all these Tigers selected for murdered because they are in the wrong place all saved.
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| Goddess Help Us... | Aug 16th. at 2:08:02 am EDT |
by WoodSprite (Texas, USA)
May the Goddess protect these majestic creatures. ALL tigers are extremely endangered. When the USSR dissolved, the poachers used the frequencies from the radio collars to track and kill several hundred-if not thousand--Siberian tigers. I believe their population is down to about 300 in the wild. Most of the other species of tigers that still exist are severely diminished in number. It would be such a tragedy if they dissappeared forever. I hope these people find other means of coexisting besides mass murder. It is so arrogant of people to think that we are the most important species on this planet!
Blessings to all--Sprite
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