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10/3/2009
10:28:19 am EDT
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Lodi Defends Its Public Prayers
Author: Steve Chawkins Source: Los Angeles Times
Title: LODI DEFENDS ITS PUBLIC PRAYERS
Small cities in California are facing high unemployment, drained treasuries and now what some residents see as an assault on the only sacred moment in municipal affairs: the invocation at the start of city council meetings.
Turlock, Tracy, Tehachapi, Lancaster -- all have been threatened in the last few months with lawsuits claiming that prayer at meetings breaches the wall between church and state.
Nowhere has the ensuing debate played out more dramatically than in Lodi, where, after a tumultuous five-hour meeting this week, the City Council voted not only to continue invocations but also to allow phrases such as "in Jesus' name."
"For whatever reason, Lodi seems to have become ground zero for deciding this issue," City Atty. Steve Schwabauer said at Wednesday's meeting, which drew a passionate crowd of more than 700.
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| Slam-Dunk, Loser Pays | Oct 4th. at 3:29:27 pm EDT
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Terry (Irvington, Virginia) - Email Me
What a responsible handling of budget shortfalls Lodi elected officials are choosing. Set up a guaranteed loss in court, where their next choice is whether to pay off the good folks at FFRF or ACLU, or push up the legal bills even higher with appeals before they lose and pay to be sued. I'm sure the higher taxes must be more important to local voters than funding schools, roads, or not raising taxes so as to have more money for other household costs.
Of course many of the usual suspects are present as instigators of this inane and illegal effort, notably including a 3rd generation offshoot of a 1960's felon founded organization then focused on banning literature, and a tactical neighbor of James Dobson's cash cow. in Colorado, near the Air Farce academy, and one of the two major ATT national routing and control hubs (that made that area attractive for "satellator whore" pretend churches, to use telecom resources to prey on sheeple without delivering any of the usual support services of most real churches) .
Had we an honest Supreme Court, it would be good to see such pseudo-morality predators push a revisitation of "Marsh v Chambers", the suit cited in this story that defines non-denominational prayer as allowable and ceremonial, on the basis of it being all inclusive. That in reality is a paradox in present society, because what is in effect "generic Protestant lite" prayer is far from religion neutral, the actual legal standard the court perpetrated a fraud in considering non-sectarian among a single family of religions to be. In addition, it's impossible to have ANY public prayer that's not exclusionary and non-inclusive, given the actual legal fact of current (and 1983) society, such that honestly enforcing "Marsh" requires an outright ban on government sponsored or conducted prayers.
Until that happens, there's millions to be made by lawyers pissing on defective SCOTUS precedent, and by hate mongers pretending to be bastions of morality and all that children must become. Let's hope that contest is very costly for the child abusers confusing sick dogma with ethical and legal governance, and by extension in their condition, functional child raising versus abuse by indoctrinating cult hatred and malicious neglect of coping skills for diverse society.
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| Ahh Yes... | Oct 3rd. at 9:58:41 pm EDT
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bigcat (peoria, Illinois) - Email Me
Let's pray. That is far more important than the public business for which they were really elected...
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| Never Ending | Oct 3rd. at 7:50:10 pm EDT
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Ander s. Drake (hays, Kansas) - Email Me
Some Christians just don't get it and many of them never will. In their minds they are the only religion in the world and every one else is the so-called unsaved, of course depending on which version you talk to. They seem to forget or simply deny the fact that 75 percent of the world belongs to other religions. Here in the United States it's just to easy for them to forget what it's like to be on the other side of fence. Sooner or later they will be forced to learn to get along or well there goes the planet.
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| Because This Is More Important | Oct 3rd. at 5:13:03 pm EDT
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Figlia della Luna (New Orleans, Louisiana) - Email Me
Yes, let's fight over prayers rather than get down to business and figure out a way to get the hell out of the hole we dug for ourselves. There are obviously biases to christian brands of prayer, but whatever. I'd rather see a legalization of marijuana and we can all calm down and decide this silly prayer thing when we have fewer problems in this country. I think even Jesus would agree.
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