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4/1/2008
1:39:04 pm EDT
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Take Your Apology And…
Author: Warner Todd Huston Source: Stoptheaclu.com
Title: TAKE YOUR APOLOGY AND…
You know, outrage can bee a good thing. It is often times useful for people to get outraged over a past slight so that a community might be spurred to action to correct real societal ills. But is the hanging of a “witch” or two over 300 years ago something we should waste our time being outraged over now?
Well, it seems to be a good idea as far as one outraged woman in Connecticut is concerned. Three years ago, Debra Avery discovered she was a direct descendent of one Mary Sanford, a woman hanged for being a witch in the Connecticut of 1692.
Yes, I said 1692.
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| It Seems Like EVERYONE Has Forgotten... | Apr 2nd. at 9:02:31 pm EDT
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DodiaFae (Rhode Island, Rhode Island) - Email Me
The West Memphis 3?
[Web LINK]
Right there is what makes this valid today.
However, I get the impression that this woman isn't doing this to bring awareness to Pagans, but because she feels that being called a Witch is a horrible label. Which makes me sad.
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| A Meaningful Apology... | Apr 2nd. at 8:19:41 pm EDT
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Mysteries Child (Garfield, Arkansas) - Email Me
...for something that happened 300 years ago can happen, if (and only if) it can be related to things that are still happening today and used to lead us to re-examine and reconsider our behaviors.
'Cause, see, slavery was wrong. Jim Crow was wrong. And we've all been taught that. But, living in the home state of the Little Rock Nine, I am for the first time in my life guiltily glad to be white. 'Cause bad attitudes can live for a long, long time.
Can we relate the old-fashioned witch-hunts to anything that's happening today??
I think we can. So, apologize-- but only if that apology is going to entail asking people to reconsider being all too willing to assume the worst of anything that they do not understand, all too willing to make reactionary condemnations any time they are frightened, and all too willing to make someone a scapegoat so they can say they did something every time they feel threatened.
If they're not going to do that, then it's just a useless bunch of hot air.
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| MY 2 CENTS..... | Apr 2nd. at 5:09:24 am EDT
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Whitewolf (Schenectady, New York) - Email Me
I have to agree that that particular site WAS kinda like pond scum. I'm not endorsing the ACLU, but in some cases, if it weren't for the ACLU, we wouldn't have squat for civil rights. It's a good thing that it does exist, with Chimpy McFlightsuit trying to negate our freedoms and his wanting to be able to spy on everyone anytime he wants. As for the lady in question, I think her time could be better used showing the regular public that Paganism is NOT what they have been taught, but I have to half-agree with her.... sometimes what your ancestors did is revisited on YOU, most times unfortunately. Just like Lt. Worf on STNG, I don't blame her for wanting her "honor" back, and the name of her ancestors CLEARED. I could give dollars to doughnuts that they didn't do anything to harm anyone....
Just my 2 coppers
Love to all
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| This Article... | Apr 2nd. at 4:29:58 am EDT
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Moonlight Wolf (Bradford, England) - Email Me
... is chucked full of ignorance and its own self importance. While some would agree that the Witch Trials in the West were 300 years in the past, today in other parts of the world people become victims of 'Witch hate.'
What about that woman from Saudi Arabia who was sentenced to death for being accused of Witchcraft?
Or women in India who are subjected to violence at the hands of their fellow villagers because they are accused of being Witches.
Or African children who are accused of being Witches by their parents and are horribly abused. Sometimes these result in death if anyone remembers Victoria Climbea and this was in the UK.
Although Witches may not get hanged or burned at the stake in the West today, Wiccans and many other Pagans do face discrimination due to ignorance displayed by those who the discriminating.
As for slavery while it's not legal in the West there are still Sweat shops in poorer countries as well as child labour, people who work long hours and earn less than a dollar a day. And some companies still go abroad to get cheaper labour.
The whole thing about apologising for slavery and the Witch Trials may seem silly to some but to discount something that is 300 years old as irrelevant is just plain ignorant.
Anyway, sorry for my ramble but the ignorance in this article was something I felt I had to address.
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| Lets Be Honest Though It Is Just A Bit Ridiculous | Apr 1st. at 11:17:45 pm EDT
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Mordechai (Edmond, Oklahoma) - Email Me
I don't know what else to say I mean if it wasn't issue until she studied her genealogy obviously no one knew or gave a crap. Honestly if it was me i would I would just bash fundies 10 times harder than i normally do ( ( (if thats possible) (hey some of us are passive some of us are agressive and i'm in the xtian bible belt) (anyone wonder why i call it the xtian bible well because a bible is just a book that is the master of its subject like if you had a phone book with every phone # you would have a phone bible and so on... anyway) ) ) I feel a little insulted that she is making a big deal that her ancestor getting accused of witch craft (yes i get the circumstances but follow me on this one) like it's so bad practicing witch craft. I supose I would be a little pissed but to go to this length, its not like things like that effect you now (unless your a Pagan and take pride that you might have a little witch ancestory) I think she blew it way out of proportion. After all legislation has more important things to do ( like pretend we don't exist) All in all its be pissed or be proud but no one gave a crap before and no one will give a crap when it's over.
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| Is Refighting Creationism Worth It? | Apr 1st. at 8:57:47 pm EDT
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Rubyglare (Sacramento, California) - Email Me
How about refighting the Copernican solar-centric model? How about refighting the 'flat earth' that is spoken of in the Bible & how to say it's round is Satanic & anti-Christian? How about refighting the existence of germs & maybe the Christians will get to win this time.....how about that?
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| A Sharper Focus.... | Apr 1st. at 7:33:30 pm EDT
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bigcat (peoria, Illinois) - Email Me
What is not understood here, is the fact that people were treated rudely and crudely by an insensitive and ignorant folk. While issuing an apology will not raise and restore the dead, even after 300 years, it will bring such incidents into sharper focus after they have languished behind the myth that it could only happen in the past and make clear the possibility that people can and are still maltreated in present times as well. In fact there are still places in the world where being accused of witchcraft can be deadly.
There are yet WWII POWs from various nations, still seeking an apology from their former captors, and their queries for an apology or reparation have never been redressed, either by their governments or ours for our mishandling and hiding the details of their condition. Should we tell them that just because it happened in the past they should just suck it up and forget it? It may not be witchcraft, but it was still torture and death at the hands of the hateful, cruel and the ignorant.
Witch burning or hanging is just the tip of the torture iceberg. A lot of incidents need to be addressed and by doing so we acknowledge the past and the hopes for a better future.
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| Can We Say "double Standard"?????? | Apr 1st. at 7:15:06 pm EDT
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Aidan Odinson (Collingdale, Pennsylvania) - Email Me
I am descended from someone who, along with Roger Williams, left Massachussets in search of genuine religious freedom. And for many years, there was a law on the books which prohibited descendants of Roger Williams and his chief followers (including my ancestor by name) from ever entering Massachussetts - including me!
The law banning me from Massachussetts has long since been repealed.
So, why can't another state do something for the sake of someone who was wrongfully put to death as a Witch?
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| While I Agree With The Author Of The Article... | Apr 1st. at 1:51:59 pm EDT
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Morgan Ravenwood (Lake Havasu City, Arizona) - Email Me
I have a problem with the anti-ACLU garbage on the rest of the page. Can't win 'em all, I guess.
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