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1/5/2007
4:43:46 pm EST
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Feds Pushing For Internet Records
Author: John Reinan, McClatchy Newspapers Source: Grand Haven Tribune (MI)
Title: FEDS PUSHING FOR INTERNET RECORDS
The federal government wants your Internet provider to keep track of every Web site you visit.
For more than a year, the U.S. Justice Department has been in discussions with Internet companies and privacy rights advocates, trying to come up with a plan that would make it easier for investigators to check records of Web traffic.
The idea is to help law enforcement track down child pornographers. But some see it as another step toward total surveillance of citizens, joining warrantless wiretapping, secret scrutiny of library records and unfettered access to e-mail as another power that could be abused.
"I don't think it's realistic to think that we would create this enormous honeypot of information and then say to the FBI, 'You can only use it for this narrow purpose,'" said Leslie Harris, executive director of the Center for Democracy and Technology, a Washington, D.C.-based group that promotes free speech and privacy in communication.
So far, no concrete proposal has emerged, but U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales has made it clear that he'd like to see quick action.
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| Redundant, And Absurd | Jan 6th. at 11:21:18 pm EST
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J & V Enterprises (Sweetwater, Tennessee) - Email Me
Folks, this capability already exists, all that is required is a warrant to use it. There is absolutely no need for this to be done beyond illegally invading and removing the rights to privacy of US Citizens. Any government that follows both the rule of law and the presumption of innocence has no need for continual monitoring of it's citizens.
I have been recommending for the last 10 years that everyone use a freely available proxy server that supports SSL sessions and is not run by the US Government. In this way anything you choose to do on the Internet beyond connecting to the proxy server is your own business. This is how the citizens of the PRC and other oppressive governments do things, and it is increasingly looking like this is how we are going to have to do things.
Jason (An Enemy of Oppressive States)
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| Now, I Have Been 'surfing' And.... | Jan 6th. at 7:05:58 am EST
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Mystic Man (Nashville, Tennessee) - Email Me
accidentaly hit on websites that I was not looking for and did not want to visit before. With the proposed situation, that means I would probably be raided and arrested for it.
Is that REALLY the kind of invasive power the government 'of the people' wants for its central agencies?
(oh, silly me....government 'of the people' is a myth....ask any career congressman)
Mystic Man
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| Any Records Will Be Misused | Jan 5th. at 11:57:55 pm EST
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Terry (Irvington, Virginia) - Email Me
The only way to ensure privacy rights is to see that invasive records and technology are not widely deployed, and are costly and tedious to impose in individual cases with courts orders.
Most ISP's already roll over and help law enforcement spy all too easily, with only a few precious ones noted for seriously challenging such requests or refusing to honor them absent court orders. As explained in this article, this does not sound like a legitimate tool for the specified law enforcement, but rather use of a hot button issue to railroad fraudulent legislation to broaden rights violations by corrupt government under a guise few politicians are willing to stand up and oppose. But, it has very little to do with protecting children.
It's possible to tunnel around Tor servers, or find other encrypted links to proxy servers in dozens of countries around the world, rendering ISP records of user activity moot. The need to use such means to protect Constitutional rights is all too similar to the survival from secret police issues of Chinese dissidents promoting democracy.
I'd be willing to tolerate this kind of proposed law if it had reasonable safeguards. Those would include a requirement that every law enforcement agency maintained open public access for citizens or watchdog groups to monitor 100% of their activities, online or otherwise, that no proprietary or encrypted software be used to inhibit oversight, and that any cops or equivalent thugs from the dozens of quasi-police armed regulatory agencies found abusing coerced records as part of unapproved or rights abridging activities be subject to immediate public execution. Somehow I doubt many Gonzales styled agencies would care to operate under those standards to ensure reasonable levels of protection against abuse, of broad enough scope to mitigate some existing practices as well as newly proposed expansions.
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| In Addiction To Double Standards... | Jan 5th. at 7:04:11 pm EST
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karrie9 (Kenosha, Wisconsin) - Email Me - Web
Have I forgotten that government computers have been stolen in the past? No.
Coincidence that the government hired top people from a number of spyware companies (something covered on WV a while back) -- probably not!
The government would have the right to track who visits to child pornography sites but it's not okay to treat the entire public like potential criminals whose every little bit of information is (naturally...therefore!) up for grabs!
Total unquestionable access? Oh the potentials for abuse and all the possible unintended chains of events!
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| Does Anyone See The Irony Here? | Jan 5th. at 5:15:55 pm EST
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Opus the Poet (Garland, Texas) - Email Me - Web
Does anyone see the irony with the 2 articles linked to in this and the one underneath it (White House wants to keep visitor logs secret) ?
They want to know every bit of information we get into our houses and computers (see the article about signing statements and opening our mail) , but when wrongdoing is suspected of the Shrub all that is suddenly secret for just him and his associates alone?
Why hasn't somebody given this idiot oral sex so we can impeach him?
Opus (yes, I'm mad)
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