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Christian Group's Billboards Denounce Separation Of Church, State
Author: Drew Harwell Source: TampaBay.com
Title: CHRISTIAN GROUP'S BILLBOARDS DENOUNCE SEPARATION OF CHURCH, STATE
A Hillsborough public policy group whose Christian platform included a push for a state ban on gay marriage has embraced a new attack on an old target: the separation of church and state.
Ten billboard advertisements against what activist Terry Kemple called the separation "lie" are being put up across Pinellas and Hillsborough counties. Seven or eight of the billboard messages already are in place, and the rest will be by the end of this week, Kemple said.
The message, as explained on www.noseparation.org, is that "America's government was made only for people who are moral and religious."
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| Yes....... | Jul 24th. at 11:37:13 pm EDT
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nasionnaich (Stanchfield, Minnesota) - Email Me
To Sela;
Since the e-mail option is still not working, this seems the most effective method of saying this to you. In the words of Ben Stein:
I Like It!
If I had any spare cash to donate for the project, I would suggest placing many billboards, displaying all of those very fine quotes, all across the U.S.
--nasionnaich
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| A Few Words From Our Sponsers... | Jul 24th. at 12:54:28 pm EDT
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Sela (Happyplace, New York) - Email Me
A few quotes from our Founding Fathers...
I beg you be persuaded that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny... [George Washington, to United Baptists Churches of Virginia, May, 1789 from The Washington papers edited by Saul Padover]
“The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion”.....The Treaty of Tripoli...
"In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot ... they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purpose." --- Thomas Jefferson, to Horatio Spafford, March 17, 1814
"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose." --- Thomas Jefferson to Baron von Humboldt, 1813
"What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not." --- James Madison, "A Memorial and Remonstrance", 1785
A letter From John Adams...to Thomas Jefferson:
"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced"
From Jefferson's biography:
"...an amendment was proposed by inserting the words, 'Jesus Christ...the holy author of our religion,' which was rejected 'By a great majority in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and the Mohammedan, the Hindoo and the Infidel of every denomination.'"
Jefferson's "The Statute of Virginia for Religious Freedom":
"Our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, more than on our opinions in physics and geometry....The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
From James Madison:
"Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together."
I could on and on and on...
Woud any these be suitable for a billboard?
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| The Company They Keep | Jul 24th. at 11:19:48 am EDT
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Fred Lawrence (Kansas City, Kansas) - Email Me
These billboards remind me of a quotation attributed to the "Reverend" Sun Myung Moon: "Separation of church and state is what God hates most." Those turkeys behind those billboards should be known for the company they keep.
Moon also is supposed to have said, "Turn off your Satanic mind."
I enjoy collecting quotations.
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| IF I Had The Money I Would Do My Own Billboard | Jul 24th. at 10:34:32 am EDT
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booley (Saint Louis, Missouri) - Email Me
"Mixing Religion in Politics.
It's worked great in Iran!"
Let the xtrian fundies have their heads explode as their love of theocracy fights with their hatred of their biggest competitors.
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| America: Founded On Paganism | Jul 24th. at 10:11:06 am EDT
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Mar-Garet (Appalachia, Pennsylvania) - Email Me
Check it out:
[Web LINK]
How about if we put up a billboard saying:
"America: Founded on Paganism."
Ha ha. But seriously......................why not?!!!
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| Not Surprising | Jul 24th. at 2:16:25 am EDT
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nasionnaich (Stanchfield, Minnesota) - Email Me
This is just another example of the Religious Wrong placing their own "spin" on the Constitution of The United States of America. They've been trying to persuade everyone that this particular "spin" is the correct one for at least the past 150 years.....
Another, less "celebrated" -- yet still very well known, mis-reading of the Constitution concerns the so-called "States' Rights" issue. The mental midgets of Constitutional Law claim that the individual States somehow have the "right" to enact Law which goes directly against the Constitution and Federal Law -- and they base this at least partly on the faulty (and extremely biased) interpretation of Section 1 of the 14th Amendment in 1883, by the U.S. Supreme Court, wherein the 1875 Civil Rights Act was nullified (the Act outlawed discrimination against Negroes who would "dare" to use Public facilities...) .
Here's what Section 1 of the 14th Amendment says: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
ALL persons born or naturalized in the U.S. are U.S. citizens - not just of the State they happen to call "home"; NO State may make or enforce any law which abridges the privileges or immunities of U.S. citizens. Yet the "States' Rights" crowd claim that individual States have the "right" to pass laws restricting what citizens of the United States may do, say, see, hear, or think within the State's boundaries -- no matter what Federal Law says. (the main part of the basis for this claim is found in the 9th and 10th Amendments to the Constitution - especially the 10th, wherein they speak of "powers not delegated nor prohibited". Yeah, it's like saying all alcohol is "sinful" because of one mention against "strong drink" is made in the Christian Bible...)
Just to remind everyone... The people who claim that "The U.S. was founded strictly as a Christian Nation" are also largely those who claim that individual States really are allowed, by Constitutional Law, to make and enforce laws which abridge the privileges and immunities of the citizens of the United States. They are the "Religious Right", only one part of collective "Right-Wing" problem (be aware: I am not a "Left-Wing Liberal"; my idea of "gun control" is hitting what you aim for - but I also believe that every woman has the right to decide whether to get an abortion, or not) .
They believe in Freedom and Equality by means of Democracy -- but only for those whom THEY decide are "moral enough".
--nasionnaich
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| Walk In Our Flip-flops | Jul 24th. at 12:33:43 am EDT
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Katmandu (elba, Alabama) - Email Me
I wonder how these people would feel if they were in our flip-flops and had to live with signs that made THEM feel uncomfy. I'm sure there'd be a big stink.
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| And With Such Rhetoric | Jul 23rd. at 6:04:50 pm EDT
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Rowan Foxfyre (Indianapolis, Indiana) - Email Me
is it any wonder why I do choose to own a Gun for my protection.
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| HOW WAS IT SAID....? | Jul 23rd. at 5:22:13 pm EDT
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Whitewolf (Schenectady, New York) - Email Me
"When religion ran the world, they called it the DARK AGES" ????
'nuff said
Love to all
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| OK, Well Since I The E-mail Option Is Off... | Jul 23rd. at 5:20:38 pm EDT
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Batman (Madison, Wisconsin) - Email Me
....this is in response to Lioness - my heart goes out to you! That's really too bad that you live close to such awfulness. There HAS to be some way in which you can say something to maybe a city official. There's always a way. Always.
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| Moral And Religious? | Jul 23rd. at 12:56:04 pm EDT
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Meadow (Murrieta, California) - Email Me
But I am "moral and religious", to the Goddess.
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| Feeling Violated | Jul 23rd. at 11:57:59 am EDT
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Lioness (Lutz, Florida) - Email Me
The billboard which reads "America's government was made only for people who are moral and religious" is actually placed right down the road from my home. I cannot get onto the interstate without seeing it, and each time I do I have the stinging sensation that if these people had their way they would gladly burn me and my family to death. It's a horrible thing that they have to see that sign each time we go by, knowing that they are not what would be considered "moral and religious" even though we are very upright people. These billboards hurt our community, not help it. I would give anything to be able to put up some equality promoting billboards around tampa bay.
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| OK, Soooo..... | Jul 23rd. at 10:17:14 am EDT
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Batman (Madison, Wisconsin) - Email Me
.....how can you quote somebody on something that you just made up? Wow. Absolutely mindblowing that they somehow get away with self-admitted lies. Well, personally I think that Christ at one point said, "OK, WTF??? Who are these jackasses claiming to do this wackadoo BS in MY name??? Grrrrrrrr!!!!!" But at least compared to everything that is actually in the bible, that's what I think he'd say. And THAT'S how this guy came up with his "quote" from Washington. Yet again, trying to candy-coat the fact that the founding fathers were Diests. They weren't extremists. They were intellectuals. And if you understand what a Diest is, it's about as oposite from an xtian extremist as the is the North & South pole. Even, literature-wise, you don't just MAKE up a quote. Not only is it poor form, anyone that knows their stuff will correct him on this, and their standpoint won't even be a religious one. So we come to the conclusion that he can't even seem to find a decent quote by our founding fathers to support his flavor of extremism. Staggers the imagination.
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| Imanginary Friend | Jul 23rd. at 9:37:38 am EDT
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jim (orlando, Florida) - Email Me
If anyone else but xians in this country said they had an invisible imaginary friend that they were afraid of, who told them to force others to believe in him, by force if necessary, and to harm others who disagreed, we'd lock them up as schizophrenic.
Personally, I wonder why the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV-TR) has never listed Christianity as a mental disease or defect. ( I wonder if that would fly in court? The twinkie defense did.)
But then I also wonder why all of our elected leaders keep having to talk about their "Faith" in order to get elected.
Franklin, Jefferson, Washington (especially Washington) , Adams, etc would have slapped these people silly.
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| I Think I Saw A Few Classified Ads..... | Jul 23rd. at 9:18:17 am EDT
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Sea Raven (New Haven, Connecticut) - Email Me
Villages willing to provide good homes to idiots. Equal Opportunity Employers
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