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1/24/2004
9:40:36 am EST
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Judge: Commandments Can Be Removed
Author: Patrick Orr Source: The Idaho Statesman
Title: JUDGE: COMMANDMENTS CAN GO
A federal judge said Friday that city officials can move a Ten Commandments monument out of Boise´s Julia Davis park whenever they want — sparking a controversy that almost turned the park into a temporary campground.
Friday afternoon, city officials said they would take no action to remove the monument this weekend.
Members of a local ad-hoc coalition of conservative Christians and Jews surrounded the monument Friday after U.S. District Judge Edward Lodge denied their request for a temporary restraining order to block removal of the monument.
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| Well, I'm Now Officially Disqusted | Jan 25th. at 9:04:25 pm EST |
by Enna (Sunny California) - wc_xemail
So Chavez-Ochoa and his coalition are hanging around in the park so they can help Phelps and his minions move their monument to hate next to the ten commandments? Terrific! Let's put some burned crosses and a big Swatika right next to them. Make it a real monument to tolerance and human rights.
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| Unexpected | Jan 25th. at 7:11:48 pm EST |
by Dave (Twin Falls, ID) - wc_xemail
I'm actually kind of surprised that someone is wanting to move the monument. I was getting kind of used to living in conservative Idaho, where religious intolerance and favoritism are the rule rather than the exception. Maybe this is a sign that we as a society are progressing to the point where no one really minds or has issues with what you believe.
Because when it comes right down to it, each of us follows the God (or Goddess) of our heart.
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| What I Don't Get | Jan 25th. at 10:32:08 am EST |
by NightShade (Kenosha, WI) - wc_xemail
What I don't get is why these people don't just set these babies up in front of their churches? Wouldn't that be a better message? Wouldn't that make it a better monument BECAUSE it is where the religion is represented instead of some public park subject to vandalism and miscreants to 'crap' all over it?
It's easier to try a case for private-property being vandalized than it is for public-property, the bureocracy thing.
These monuments would be better appreciated in front of a church or Temple too.
I just don't understand why this is such an issue. I sure as heck wouldn't want a 'symbol' of my faith displayed in such a manner, it's disrespectful. This sort of thing is like making an idol - blasphemous.
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| Good News | Jan 25th. at 8:43:29 am EST |
by worm (NC) - wc_xemail
It is nice to see that the city is not to be bullies by armchair preachers (who barely practice what they preach) . Unless they are prepared to make sure someone is out there 24/7/365, the monument will be moved. And it still doesn't sink in for these "activists" that they are losing their monument because of someone just like them, who advocates his own self-ritious views and twisted interpretation of the law, with no compassion, respect or common sense.
And it is also nice to see that there are also people in the community with common sense and a real respect for their god, such as Mike Sanders who said, “Those monuments are meaningless outside of a context of submission to God, ” he said. “I would say it ought to be limited to those places where people gather specifically because they are submitting their lives to God.”
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| Wow. Absolutely Unbelievable | Jan 25th. at 5:21:29 am EST |
by Christopher Thunder Eagle (Aviano A.B., Italy) - wc_xemail
What's being done in Alabama, Ohio, North Carolina, and now in Idaho, and soon to be in many other states is not just politically correct, but religiously correct, which in this case needs to be done. You have those that believe that the U.S. Constitution was founded upon the christian faith. These Emmy-Award winners obviously don't know how to do their homework on this issue or their trying to fool people. The Treaty of Tripoli clearly states that in no way was the U.S. government to be represented by one sole religion and was NOT based upon the christian faith. And last I checked, the reason for us getting away from England and starting our own colony was to get away from religious oppression. HOW IRONIC!
As soon as I read about the same Kansas-based church that we've all been hearing about lately wanting to erect it's statue of hatred and intolerance, it really saddened me. This is a group of people that are convinced that what they are doing is right, when it's simply self-rightous. All this church is doing and has EVER been doing is condoning murder and abolving Matthew Shepard's killers. Let they who THINK they are without sin cast the first stone but be ready to get pelted with a whole lot more rocks in return. Liberty & justice FOR ALL.
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| Nice To Know... | Jan 25th. at 12:02:09 am EST |
by Mountain Woman (Boise, ID) - wc_xemail
...that there are a few intelligent kristjans in this town that sits in the shadow of a huge lit-up cross up on a mesa east of town.
Too bad more of the reasonable ones like the pastor in this article (and a rabbi who wrote a separate editorial in the same issue of the Statesman) haven't spoken up to counter these dunderheads who act as if the removal of a religious monument from a public park is tantamount to destroying their religion altogether.
Separation of church and state must be upheld. Period. As an Asatruar, I no more want to see mjolnir and the nine noble virtues in a public park than I do a pentagram and the wiccan rede, or a cross and the ten commandments or the star of David and the ten commandments. The nearby Anne Frank Memorial is sufficient to espouse decent HUMAN values no matter what the race, religion, or creed.
The ten commandments have no business being there. They were placed there 40 years ago to promote the Charlton Heston movie of the same name, anyway, hardly a spiritual reason to put 'em up in the first place. These protesters need to do something useful with all their spare time and in keeping with their professed faith - how about feed the homeless, donate some much-needed coats, blankets, gloves, time etc. to the various shelters in the Treasure Valley. Especially with the two snowstorms that nailed us today.
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| Times Like These... | Jan 24th. at 10:16:45 pm EST |
by AngelWind (Boise, Idaho) - wc_xemail
I would love to go to the park and put up my own pagan monument, and when I get flack for putting it next to the 10 commandments I can say, "it's my constitutional right if it's also your constitutional right to have your beliefs broadcasted as well." I'm sure they're either reconsider that maybe moving the rock would be a better idea, or try to argue that only their beliefs are truely constitutional because they're the basis of the constittuion.
In any case, I'm very proud of the pastor in the story having some common sense that seems to be lacking in Boise. From former mayor Brent Coles to this, we need someone who understands that their commandments mean something only to them and makes it rather empty to put it in a place where not everyone believes in it.
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| No Title | Jan 24th. at 8:18:47 pm EST |
by KarEEna (Perth, Australia) - wc_xemail
REMOVING a religious monument from a PUBLIC park is violating Constitutional rights? HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA Oh, that's rich. Sometimes its amazing what kind of crap lawyers will spin in an attempt to sound rational.
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| Give It Some Time... | Jan 24th. at 7:46:32 pm EST |
by Donna Lee (PA, USA) - wc_xemail
See if they want to camp out there day after day. Within a week, it will dwindle to 20 people if that. News of a snowstorm, and everyone will go home. They could get it then.
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| Well... | Jan 24th. at 1:26:43 pm EST |
by clio moonmoose (York PA) - wc_xemail
“There are 50 to 75 people gathered around the monument, ” Zuzel said. “For reasons of safety, Parks and Recreation will hold off until it isn´t an issue.”
Well then the monument will never be moved, as I'm sure those protestors will continue to make it an issue.
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| Conundrum | Jan 24th. at 10:08:34 am EST |
by Ahr-Ohn (Bridgeport, Ct.) - wc_xemail
"This monument is in Julia Davis Park, which advocates a tolerance for human rights"
"Advocates, " which biases in the Freedom of Expression. Next we'll see legislatures having to pass equal and opposite laws.
Well, if we accept that Matt Sheppard is in Hell, it's nice to see that a church wants to keep him company. 'Course, the path to Salvation doesn't go that way.
aaron
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