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9/26/2008
6:28:56 pm EDT
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Woman Says Suspect Threatened to Set Her On Fire
Author: Arnold Wyrick Source: KFVS 12 (IL)
Title: WOMAN SAYS SUSPECT POURED LIQUID ON HER, THREATENED TO SET HER ON FIRE
Police are looking for a suspect after a woman says another woman poured a liquid on her and told her she was going to set her on fire.
"She came in the store and I came out from behind the counter and I greeted her she asked for bath salts."
That's how Crystal Basler Payne, owner of The Country Goddess, says her Saturday on September 13th started.
"I believe it was a hate crime. I mean because at no point did she ever ask for money she didn't to rob me. Her intent was to put me on fire," Payne said.
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| When There's A Bombing In Israel... | Sep 29th. at 7:10:00 pm EDT
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Jenna (Cary, North Carolina) - Email Me
Guess which religious group is usually (99.99% of the time) behind it? And when there's an attack on a member of a minority faith in this country, guess which group is usually behind that (hint: it's not the same answer as above) ? It's really nice to be open minded and try to bend over backwards to show tolerance, folks, but sometimes people can be so overly p.c. that they are literally putting their heads in the sand ("What? Honour killings? How can we be sure that the murderer was a Muslim?" Europe is having this massive problem right now) . Sometimes one must call a spade a spade, and call me crazy, but I highly doubt the attacker was a member of the local branch of Buddhists or Jainists. There are two faiths today that preach that witches should be destroyed, converted or killed, and preferably by fire. Guess which ones they are? That's right, the nuts who are pushing us all towards Nuclear Armageddon. Trying to pretend that this mentality extends beyond these faiths is naive at best; foolish and foolhearty at worst. Wake up to reality.
A quick note to the prospective Canadienne: I was born in Canada myself, and lived there until I was in my teens. I have many family members still there and I love Canada immensely (I keep trying to talk my hubby into moving back to dear old Quebec, but he wants to stay here until his son is out of high school) . Canada is a wonderful, glorious country with amazing people from all over the world. That said, unfortunately, the whole "Christian Reich" phenomenon is not exclusive to the States. There are many voices in Canada right now that are on par with Rush and Coulter, and much of the country seems to be heading towards a conversative stance. Basically, Canada is on its way to become what the US was 8 years ago (be with health care for all, no small matter these days) . I don't blame Americans for wanting to move au Canada, but it's not the liberal paradise that people like Michael Moore paint it as being. Shalom.
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| I Try Not To Be Alarmist... | Sep 29th. at 3:01:23 pm EDT
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Mysteries Child (Garfield, Arkansas) - Email Me
...but I have to admit that the first two words that come to mind are "witchburning" and "Krystallnacht".
I know that plenty of "good Christian 'pastors'," and I use the term very loosely indeed, make statements in their sermons that could very easily incite someone, especially someone with an underlying mental illness and especially in frighteningly unstable times, to acts of violence and murder.
I will say these few other things: I, who once laid (and won) a bet that I could wear a pentacle openly for a year and a day without incident, have taken off my necklace and laid it away. I, who have always preached openness and tolerance, have stopped discussing my religion with pretty much everyone. I, who have sworn up and down that I am an American and there is no place else I'd rather be, am getting passports for myself and my family.
And if McCain and Palin are elected to office, I will start looking into becoming a citizen of Canada. He does nothing to make me feel safe and secure. She makes me nervous. The splinter of the group of people who will feel like one of their own is running the country if she's elected VP-- culture warriors, conspiracy theorists, and witch-hunters every one-- scare me to death.
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| Lets Take A Bet On The Attacker Being Christian... | Sep 29th. at 12:43:39 pm EDT
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Sela (Happyplace, New York) - Email Me
When it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, guess what it is?
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| Where | Sep 27th. at 10:22:52 pm EDT
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Orion 6Xray (Park City, Kentucky) - Email Me
At in the report did it say her attacker was Christian.
People, assumption is the mother of all F ups.
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| Shocking Yes; Surprising, Sadly No | Sep 27th. at 6:36:44 pm EDT
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Jenna (Cary, North Carolina) - Email Me
Anyone who has read any of my prior posts knows the way I feel about fundamentalist religion: fundamentalism is, in itself, a mental disorder and a disease that society and parents in particular force upon the next generation and poison us all. Anyone who has watched those cruel freaks at the Westboro Baptist Church tormenting grieving family members at funerals (not to mention the suicide bombers in the Middle East and now in our own backyards, the abortion clinic bombings, etc) should be aware of what a cancer this is on the face of civilization. My heart truly goes out to the victim of this crime. Honestly, I don't care if her attacker has a geniune mental problem (besides her obvious religiousity) or not; we as a society should never accuse violence on that basis. Otherwise, Andrea Yates should be walking the streets and popping out more babies to kill. The attacker should be locked away for life, either in an asylum (if she is truly insane) or in the prison, which I think is more appropriate.
Is this a hate crime? Well, duh! If this had happened in a Jewish, Muslim, or even Catholic goods store there would not even be a question. Clearly, the store owner was attacked due to her Pagan beliefs. If there is to be any equality under the hate crime law, Pagans should definitely be included. This is one of the most disturbing stories that I've read on the 'Vox but if McCain/Palin gets into office, I fear it won't be the last. Shalom.
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| Some Clarifications | Sep 27th. at 6:25:13 pm EDT
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foreverknightfan (Dardanelle, Arkansas) - Email Me
The attacker used a water bottle but it was filled with kerosene, not water.
As a Pagan for nearly three decades I've experienced enough hatred by certain people to know what a hate crime on us MIGHT look like. The things the " righteous" spew at us is considerably more detailed than what this woman said to her victim.
Yes certain psycopaths and other criminals do have a "flat affect". I read a lot of true crime books and I know about that. And while some of what the attacker did in obvious preparation for the crime does lok like premeditation, I'm not ruling out mental illness.
Once they find this woman ( and i hope they will find her) maybe we all can know for sure why she did what she did.
It might even be both. A hate crime by someone who is mentally off. We won't know for sure until she's caught.
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| Burn Witch! | Sep 27th. at 1:47:14 pm EDT
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Shadow Dragon (nashville, Tennessee) - Email Me
I’ve heard stories of xians dosing holy water on pagans expecting it to burn like acid. This is not a lone trend. This event ups the ante. There’s no telling want may be in that water. If someone so much as brandish (holy water???) let alone dose you with the stuff, charge them with assault with a deadly weapon and a hate crime. Don’t just wish bad karma on them. Show the cops a copy of this article. The last thing we need is a bunch of fundi protesters showing up to our Sabbaths armed with bottles of water. If you can treat a toy gun as if it’s real. Then you can treat water as a weapon if they are threaten you with it.
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| Premeditated | Sep 27th. at 1:40:03 pm EDT
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Bookworm (Saint Paul, Minnesota) - Email Me
The lack of emotion seems to me to underline the fact that this was not a crime of passion, but something that had been coldly premeditated.
The assailant scoped out a local Pagan shop. She took a lighter and some kerosene in with her. She took care to put the kerosene in water bottle so it would be disguised. She pretended to be shopping for bath salts, then waited until the shopkeeper was distracted by ringing up the purchase to toss the kerosene on her. Telling the victim to "hold still" when she tried to escape might have been a delusional expectation. But it might have instead been a way of coldly taunting the victim.
The assailant was obviously disturbed. Whether she was legally insane--meaning too ill to understand normal standards of right and wrong-- is an open question for a court psychiatrist. I hope they catch her soon.
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| Dr. Mengele And Ted Kaczynski | Sep 27th. at 1:38:36 pm EDT
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Lori Dake (Chicago, Illinois) - Email Me - Web
behaved calm and collective, too, and look what where that led. We all know they were sociopaths trying to reframe society into what they deemed to be acceptable! This is a hate crime, plain and simple. You don't have to be frothing at the mouth to be truly evil.
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| Calm Doesn't Mean Insane... | Sep 27th. at 1:28:52 pm EDT
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Sela (Happyplace, New York) - Email Me
The attacker may have just seriously believed in the rightiousness of her act and expected her victim to accept what was coming...
I've had similar threats given to me; without the kerosene but with the same flat- should it happen you should just accept the fate god has laid out for you kind of tone...after all its for your own good, you know...
That kind of mindset, very calm, very sure and very willing to carry out the act...
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| What Do You Mean, Not Personal? | Sep 27th. at 11:43:37 am EDT
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bigcat (peoria, Illinois) - Email Me
The perpetrator may have been a loner with mental problems, but that is very little consolation to the victim either injured or killed by them. And she tried to physically injure this lady because of her misguided hateful fantasy.
Making excuses because of their mental instability should never excuse the crime.
While some may feel that it may not pass as a "hate crime" in the sense of the law, they may be right. After all, it was a senseless act, done in a senseless way that no one in their right mind would do.
While I feel pity for the lady and hope that they catch up with her,in order to get her some kind of counseling, I still feel that that should be part of her sentence and that she should do time for the act she tried to commit. Who knows what she is likely to do to someone less fortunate- or to try to do to this lady-again if given half a chance.
While there might be some comfort, cold though it is, in the fact that this was a single act done by one person and not a group, it is no comfort after one has been attacked to feel that they are likely to be assaulted or injured every time someone comes in the door to ask for anything.
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| Well | Sep 27th. at 11:35:27 am EDT
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Friday Scott (Middleton, Wisconsin) - Email Me
Whether the attacker's mentally-ill or not, in the sense of being legally-responsible for her actions, it's obviously highly likely that she was motivated or directed by some hate speech. Going into a store with Pagan type stuff in there and trying to *burn* the shopkeeper is pretty self-explanatory.
Having a flat affect about it doesn't necessarily mean she's mentally ill: for a healthy person to do that, they might well be dissociated from the humanity of what they were trying to do. For all we know the attacker just lost her fortune in the financial crisis and decided to try and take a 'Witch' with her while in some emotional shock.
Not all fanatics'll show a lot of emotion about things: likely the asking for bath salts was simply a way to break eye contact or otherwise distract the shopkeeper to try and make the deed easier, one way or another. ...
Terrible, terrible thing.
Certainly, if the attacker *is* mentally-ill, it shows what we always worry about more than most hate-speakers themselves... but what if someone crazy believes what they're told?
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| Psychopathic Behaviors | Sep 27th. at 10:30:56 am EDT
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karrie9 (Kenosha, Wisconsin) - Email Me - Web
Psychopathic behaviors can be isolated or associated with widespread contagion in societies when enough factors fall into place. Hard to tell which was the case. Not enough info....but I will mention this.
As disturbing as the act was, it would be more comforting to think that this is the act of a sicko loner, that it was a mere aberration, but the perpetrator, tapping a little too deeply into the ugly undercurrents of society, may very well have a family and a life and may very well "fit" in to a great degree. It's a possibility.
There are reasons that societies should never loose sight of (links for the following toward the end of my comment) the likes of The Eight Stages of Genocide, The Ten Components of Closing an Open Society, by Naomi Wolf, 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism, by Dr. Lawrence Britt or Useless Eaters: Disability as Genocidal Marker.
Yup. The more a society is saturated with the following, the more likely it's not a loner and the more likely other attacks or displays of power will occur.
1. Association/rumors become evidence/cause.
2. Secret accusations are accepted.
3. A perceived threat to "moral boundaries" becomes a vilifiable target individual/group and steps taken to degrade and "clarify" role of target.
4. Targets/threat is assumed to be guilty/dangerous without proof or proper investigation.
5. Extreme pressures/measures taken (put kids in psych ward, lock down a school, attempt to set shop owners on fire...whatever it takes) .
6. Hysteria.
(The above list cross posted from [Web LINK] which was associated with "Rumored Big War Causes School Lock Down" at [Web LINK] )
Those links I promised, in the order mentioned:
[Web LINK]
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[Web LINK]
[Web LINK]
Comprehending such concerns in the contexts of living societies, the more aware we are of how these steps, elements, or components, even if they don't reach their nasty climax, may still spill over into other things and make those weird little "incidents" or political trends (marriage protection acts, using the word extremists, anyone extremely different from you, instead of terrorism, a tactic) more possible, varied, and frequent.
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| Doubt Its A Hate Crime | Sep 27th. at 10:00:05 am EDT
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foreverknightfan (Dardanelle, Arkansas) - Email Me
Well, first off, if it was an actual crime motivated by hate, why did she ask for bath salts? Would a bigot asked to see as a distracion something more obviously connected to what the hate?
" Course the kerosene in a DANTE water bottle is an interesting coincidence as Dante wrote " The Inferno", a poetic description of a tour through the various levels of hell.
The lighter not igniting was very fortunate and I agree the attacker's emotionless words show mental illness, not a hate crime.
And I doubt the race of the victim and the attacker has much relevance to the " motive" for the attack.
One more thing. If the attacker was intending to use the bottle filled with kerosene as a tool for a hate crime, why didn't she make it into a Molotiov cocktail or pour it over teh stack of posters the victim tripped over on her way out of the store?
No, I think this was something a mentally disturbed person did not a crime notivated by hatred of the store or its clientelle.
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| I Heard Another Case About... | Sep 27th. at 3:49:38 am EDT
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Shadow Dragon (nashville, Tennessee) - Email Me
A black man trying to set two white women on fire. It was racial. Maybe this was both racial and religious.
Dam! Xians ritualistically murdering pagans. Maybe she was Muslim? I hope this isn’t connected to the election.
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