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1/10/2008
7:00:27 am EST
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Indiana Senate Panel OKs Measure To Protect Pharmacists
Author: Lesley Stedman Weidenbener Source: The Courier-Journal
Title: SENATE PANEL OKS MEASURE TO PROTECT PHARMACISTS
Pharmacists could refuse to dispense drugs they believe will be used to abort a pregnancy or commit suicide without fear of punishment by their employer under legislation that cleared the Senate Health Committee yesterday.
Sen. Jeff Drozda, R-Sheridan, said the proposal would give pharmacists the same ability to decline to participate in an abortion as state law gives doctors, nurses and other health-care providers.
But critics say Senate Bill 3 could go much further by allowing pharmacists to refuse to dispense emergency contraception and even birth-control bills.
"This bill puts a pharmacist's individual beliefs above a patient's needs," said Amy Jacobson, a lobbyist for Planned Parenthood of Indiana.
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| Used As Birth Control...or Something Else? | Jan 12th. at 8:08:37 pm EST
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Silverflame (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) - Email Me
I have a medical condition in which birth control is the only thing that helps. I have always had a worrisome irregular menstrual cycle, sometimes going as long as five or six months without getting my period. Then when I did, I got such bad cramps that I would lay in bed in a fetal position and cry it would hurt so badly. Plus, irregular bleeding as well. And anyway, I'm gay and even though I love kids, I don't have any intentions of giving birth anyway, lol.If a pharmacist ever refuses to fill my prescription because of their own personal beliefs, I can guarantee that I would fight it tooth and nail.
Who's to say what the bc is being used for in the first place? This bill really sickens me- its nobody's business but my own and my OBGYN what I do with my body in the first place.
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| Let's Try This Idea... | Jan 12th. at 7:48:36 pm EST
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Aritimi Morgana (RotterdamJct/Schdy/Scotia, New York) - Email Me
how about the pharmacists who refuse to dispense birth-control pills post a big sign with their name on the drugstore's doors saying they will not do it, so people will know. Or create a list for everyone to see of all the pharmacists in the area who will or won't dispense those drugs? Maybe what I'm suggesting is illegal due to privacy laws, but instead of creating crises for those who need those prescriptions, if they know ahead of time who will dispense them or not, they're saved the headache of getting a religious lecture at the pharmacy counter. Enough said.
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| And Again | Jan 12th. at 1:22:45 pm EST
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Moonlight Wolf (Bradford, England) - Email Me
Do pharmacists really have the right to allow their religious beliefs to dictate someone's life? Their own, yes but somebody else's, no.
Again this is something that will affect mainly women.
If they don't agree with birth control then perhaps they need to find another job or simply ask someone who doesn't have a problem with birth control to serve the customer.
Although I still would say use a condom, as they stop diseases as well as pregnancy.
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| Home Of The Free.... | Jan 11th. at 2:40:20 pm EST
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Jandramoon (Odenton, Maryland) - Email Me
we are allowed to practice as we wish. While I do not agree with the practice of my Dr. prescribing a medicine and a pharmacist deciding that he does not agree with said Rx., he does had that right. With that said why would anyone want to go to a pharmacist that feels that he knows better than a Dr.? Just wondering who "actually" went to med school. Besides the nation's big enough that if we don't like what one company (pharmacy's) we can go to another. It's our right.
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| I HAVE TO AGREE.... | Jan 11th. at 5:27:19 am EST
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Whitewolf (Schenectady, New York) - Email Me
with what another poster said here.... if they deny a woman birth control and she becomes pregnant, then the pharmacist that DENIED her birth control should BE HELD MONETARILY RESPONSABLE for the child she has! That's the only way this BS is going to stop....
Love to all
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| They Worship The Fetus | Jan 10th. at 8:02:34 pm EST
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Rubyglare (Sacramento, California) - Email Me
not breathing born children. There is no urgent push to give born children health coverage or to provide them with school breakfasts & lunches. After this passes they'll include refusing antibiotics to gays, non-Christians; this is just the preliminary, they fully intend to expand from here to deny services-like surgery, to "ungodly types". Baby steps, people.
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| The Past Repeats.. | Jan 10th. at 7:11:41 pm EST
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Lynette (Roanoke, Virginia) - Email Me
They are being given that right because the immediate victims of these actions are women. " If men got pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament." Over the last 2 decades the term feminist has become a dirty word. Folks you'd better wake up.
If women (and the men who truly love them) don't go back to voting, contributing and standing up for women's rights, we'll end up back in the 1950's. That wonderful time when a woman had to have her husband's permission to have birth control (don't even THINK about unmarried women!) .
When unless you wanted to teach or be a nurse, you might as well forget going to college.
When after you married you automatically quit your job when you got pregnant; and you were usually pregnant within a year of marriage.
When your husband had to call the local department store to assure them you were 'authorized' to buy something that cost more than $20 on the family charge account...
I could go on, but I'm getting nauseous. These are NOT legends, ladies. I lived through them. Keep letting the Right walk all over you and you will too.
End of rant.
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| Dear Congress | Jan 10th. at 6:12:39 pm EST
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Ravan Asteris (San Jose, California) - Email Me
I have a strong moral objection to monopolistic businesses that sell badly written software. It is a religious objection, because my religion frowns on aiding and abetting unethical companies in their goals. I work in IT, supporting users on a variety of equipment and software. Can I have your sanction to refuse to install and support and software written by MicroSoft? It would make reconciling my religion and my paying job much easier. The fact that it will leave my users high and dry is, apparently to you, unimportant.
If this passes, then vegetarians could get jobs in a butcher shop, refuse to sell meat, and not be fired for it.
I've been ranting on this for a while, though...
Find More info -- HERE
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| What About Patient's Rights?? | Jan 10th. at 5:04:36 pm EST
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Young Coyote (W. Hempstead, California) - Email Me
I'm normally a big proponent of freedom of speech and expression, but this crosses the line.
By giving them "freedom of expression" (this case is a mockery of the term) in this case, they are DENYING the rights of the patient to gain access to the drugs prescribed to her by the doctor.
The main problem with this argument is it can be easily argued both ways. By having a pharmacist deny a patient these drugs, the pharmacist is essentially FORCING his or her viewpoints on the patient. And since the pharmacist is suppose to be offering a service, not a moral lecture, as far as I'm concerned the patient's moral/religious viewpoint trumps the pharmacist's moral/religious viewpoint.
Religious freedom does not mean at the expense of the rights of others.
There was another example of this, I think in Washington though I could be wrong, where a pharmacist not only denied the morning after pill to the woman but held onto the the doctor's note so that she could not get it filled anywhere else.
Should that be protected as well? Is it ok, under the guise of "religious freedom" to take other things from people that I object to and don't think they should have either?
This whole issue is just an underhanded way for the Religious Reich to force their values on others. This isn't an issue of freedom, but of control.
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| If You Got A Problem | Jan 10th. at 2:52:36 pm EST
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Rutilus Draconis (Fair Haven, Michigan) - Email Me
If the pharmacists have a problem with their job because of religious views then quit. They have NO business what so ever to force that on someone who doesn't share that view. That's like a doctor refusing to perform life saving surgery due to religious views such it's god's will that person die.A little extreme but it's along the same lines so please give me a break , you can't do the job get someone who can and get lost
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| Well, | Jan 10th. at 1:32:13 pm EST
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The Shadow Knight (Columbus, Georgia) - Email Me
if they can deny you birthcontrol or the emergency contriceptive, then I say that they should also be liable to pay child support for the unwanted pregancy. If their religious beliefs and morals say that you have to have the kid then make them pay for it. Other wise they should keep their personal opions and beliefs out of it and do their D@^^^ jobs if they cant do that then they should quit.
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| Another Quandry To Ponder | Jan 10th. at 1:07:05 pm EST
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Ellen (East Hartford, Connecticut) - Email Me
If this measure is to pass, would it then be OK for the pharmacy to ask about their religious orientation in their pre-hire interview? It then directly relates to their ability to perform their job. Wow. What a tangled mess they weave.
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| So The Public Takes Second Place... | Jan 10th. at 12:57:16 pm EST
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bigcat (peoria, Illinois) - Email Me
I would hate to find my pharmacist refusing me my prescription because he feels it is wrong- second guessing my doctor. If I want or need a second opinion-it shouldn't be from a pharmacist who has very little idea of what's going on, but rather simply asserting his dominance because of his own religious beliefs.
Whenever the patients take second place the system is useless.
This is a farce. I wish I could have picked and chose in my job what it was I didn't want to do because of religion. It would be nice to collect a paycheck and not do anything I didn't like to do.
Bottom line is, I wouldn't be working very long if that happened--and they shouldn't either. When you sign on, you are supposed to to do all the job, not the parts you don't like.
Nor would I stay with that pharmacist very long.
I too fear the new wrinkle being raised. If life begins at fertilization wouldn't then a miscarriage be considered a crime? It's bad enough we have pharmacists trying to force unplanned pregnancies upon women in an attempt to make them pay for mistakes, it will create more problems than it will allay when the government gets in on the act.
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| So The Public Takes Second Place... | Jan 10th. at 12:56:32 pm EST
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bigcat (peoria, Illinois) - Email Me
I would hate to find my pharmacist refusing me my prescription because he feels it is wrong- second guessing my doctor. If I want or need a second opinion-it shouldn't be from a pharmacist who has very little idea of what's going on, but rather simply asserting his dominance because of his own religious beliefs.
Whenever the patients take second place the system is useless.
This is a farce. I wish I could have picked and chose in my job what it was I didn't want to do because of religion. It would be nice to collect a paycheck and not do anything I didn't like to do.
Bottom line is, I wouldn't be working very long if that happened--and they shouldn't either. When you sign on, you are supposed to to do all the job, not the parts you don't like.
Nor would I stay with that pharmacist very long.
I too fear the new wrinkle being raised. If life begins at fertilization wouldn't then a miscarriage be considered a crime? It's bad enough we have pharmacists trying to force unplanned pregnancies upon women in an attempt to make them pay for mistakes, it will create more problems than it will allay when the government gets in on the act.
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| Y'Know... | Jan 10th. at 12:55:56 pm EST
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Mysteries Child (Garfield, Arkansas) - Email Me
...I used to at least tepidly support this idea on the grounds that no one should have to violate their moral principles-- however self-righteous, ignorant, or downright stupid-- to keep their job.
I don't any more.
I think back to a pharmacist I'm pretty sure I caused to be fired from his job when my daughter was an infant. I had been on low-dose antibiotics for a chronic UTI for the entire length of the pregnancy; as a result, I had a yeast infection at the time of delivery. And, sure enough, around 10 days postpartum, my girl developed a raging case of thrush (regal pain to get rid of-- all I can say is oral Nystatin every six hours and *boil, boil, boil the daylights out of everything that touches the kid's mouth*) .
I'm actually a reasonably intelligent woman; I knew enough to be looking for it. I knew enough to have her pediatrician looking for it. We had no insurance at the time; I was looking for reasonable ways to keep expenses down, and he understood that. Call the office, no charge for a brief phone consultation, have the doc call in a prescription, no big deal.
Uh, wrong. I walk into RiteAid with the baby in one hand and the cash in the other...
...and get screamed at by the pharmacist on duty about how much he hates these, and I quote, "F*ck*ng welfare mothers who don't take care of their f*ck*ng brats." On and on about how if he had his way she'd have been taken away from me as soon as she was born, blah blah blah.
Yeah. Uh-huh. Whatever. Trust me, I would have loved to have been a 'f*ck*ng welfare mother.' We missed qualifying for healthcare assistance by something like $250 a year. A medical card, or SCHIP, would have made things a heck of a lot easier for those first couple of years.
But we found ways...
...and that self-righteous SOB had *no* right...
...and if he and every other preachy freakin' pill-passer in northcentral WV had had the right to refuse to dispense medication on the grounds of personal prejudice, my little girl could have been up Sh*t Creek over a pretty routine and highly treatable infection.
I realize I'm overextending the scope of the bill somewhat, but it regally p*ss*s me off.
Look-- in my ideal world, every child that is conceived would be wanted, by someone anyway, and would expediently find their way to that loving, best-of-all-possible home where at least their basic needs would always be met in a timely and appropriate manner. Except in cases of horriffic fetal deformity utterly incompatible with life outside the womb, abortion would be a virtually forgotten nightmare, and Plan B would be so very unnecessary that it would never have been developed. And we certainly would never, never have so much as heard of babies strangled, beaten, or shaken to death, left in Dumpsters, forgotten in cars, or stuffed into Sterilite containers and dumped in the Gulf of Mexico.
I don't see any signs saying "Welcome To MC's Ideal World." Do you??
So this is what I want. You're against abortion?? You're against emergency contraception?? You want to make those things either illegal or so inaccessible that they might as well be illegal??
Fine. You're entitled to your beliefs, same as me.
But this is what I want. Get your laws off my body, and off the body of every rape victim who didn't have the chance to, every insecure little mouse who didn't have the courage to, and every drunk, every moron, and every miseducated innocent who didn't have the sense or the knowledge to say, "Wrap it." Stop spending your time, your energy, and your money trying to legislate other people's decisions. Get down off your bloody soapbox, get down in the dirt, and start filling out paperwork.
Fill out a mountain of it...
...because I want you, collectively, to adopt every unwanted or uncared-for child born in this country. I want more than that. I want you to adopt the ones that mothers and fathers would love to have if they could only feed 'em. I want you to provide foster care, with visitation, until such a time as those loving folks who just can't make it work right now can put themselves in a better position.
I want you to do it NOW. Make that YESTERDAY.
And when I come by to check on the kids-- and I will be by; I will become the most efficient one-woman social services agency in North America-- I want to see them healthy. I want to see them happy. I want to see them well-adjusted. I want to see them dressed for the weather, playing with developmentally appropriate toys, receiving a functional education, and getting discipline that is consistent, effective, and deemed constructive by an outside, objective panel of pediatricians, child psychologists, and parents and spiritual leaders drawn from a wide, varied, and fair sampling of the populace.
In other words, I don't just want you to feed 'em. I want you to give every single one of them the childhood that every child should have.
I'm trying to do it for just two, just two that I wanted very much, just two that I've been fortunate enough to be in a relatively good economic position with.
I wish you luck.
Godspeed.
GET BUSY.
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