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11/8/2005
8:31:39 pm EST
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Evolution Suffers Kansas Setback
Author: BBC Source: BBC News
Title: EVOLUTION SUFFERS KANSAS SETBACK
The US state of Kansas has approved science standards for public schools that cast doubt on evolution.
The Board of Education's vote, expected for months, approved the new language criticising evolution by 6-4.
Proponents of the change argue they are trying to expose students to legitimate scientific questions about evolution.
Critics say it is an attempt to inject creationism into schools, in violation of the constitutional separation between church and state.
The decision is part of an ongoing national debate over the teaching of evolution and intelligent design.
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| Beetle Evolution | Nov 11th. at 11:25:47 am EST
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Siara (Annapolis, Maryland) - Email Me
Red Lioness wroie:
The bombadier beetle holds certain gases in seperate chambers of its body and when threatened, releases the gases, which ignite when the blend together to make a miniature explosion.
According to most 'intelligent' design enthusiasts, there's no way a creature like this could have evolved; it must have been designed by God.
Ironically, my first understanding of why science and religion DON'T have to conflict was beetle-related. When I was around 10 yrs old, I saw a picture of an illuminated manuscript titled "The Glory of God Revealed in the Anatomy of a Beetle".
I guess that was an early Renaissance manuscript, so it would be too recent to be acceptable to the Fundies.
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| Just A Quiet Thought... | Nov 11th. at 12:37:27 am EST
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Finn (San Antonio, Texas) - Email Me
I myself believe that science and religion are not incompatible; they are both ways of explaining the world around us, and the world within us.
As to the whole ID debate, evolution and ID are also not incompatible; what more elegant plan for creating the universe--making it create itself merely by BEING (the universe came into being by the sheer force of improbability--everything is truly possible, otherwise we would not be here!) ?
Those being said, I'm completely sure that this should not be taught in schools, for the reason being that I don't believe public schools should exist at all (long live homeschooling!) . So the whole argument is solved by this: leave a child's learning, scientific and religious, to the child and his/her parents. To try to force anything we think should be taught is completely against the point, and frankly, none of our business.
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| I Just Find It Amusing... | Nov 10th. at 4:56:28 pm EST
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William (Pictou Landing, Nova Scotia) - Email Me
how science brought us out of the dark ages, and religion is trying to keep us there.
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| .. Speachless | Nov 10th. at 3:48:55 pm EST
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Ravenowl (Amboy, Oklahoma) - Email Me
the goal here it seems is to make the word science so meaningless that it applies to everything... see the issue is.. Religion CAN NOT be proven by science.. Religion answers the unanswerable questions.. Science anwsers the answerable ones.. two distinct groups there.. you see this nut jobs want to be able to say that Im right and I have proof.. well what they dont relize is as they degrade what science means.. well it will end up meaning nothing... and only then can they actually say that its science... ID .. IS NOT anything.. its absolutely nothing more then an idea.. nothing less and nothing more.. it has nothing to do with anything... its not for or against evolution... it doesnt even pertain to the same sphere as Evolution..
ok heres the truth.. I am all for critical thinking.. but there in lies the problem.. ID.. is NOT for it.. there for the easy answer.. Evolution is proven.. that doesnt mean we have it exactly right at the present time... it just means that its testable.. you will find the same results over and over again .. look around you.. its not a matter of belief but rather just acknowledging reality... I would love for someone to actually prove ID.. but as they have absolutely nothing at all with anything thats NOT possible..
if ANYONE can prove ID.. email me and we will debate it...
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| Wait Till Next Election | Nov 10th. at 5:24:41 am EST
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Roy Linford Adams (Buxton, Maine) - Email Me
I was listening to talk radio and a lot of Kansans called in. They all said that the majority of Kansas IS NOT in favor of this B.S. and come the next election, those school board members will be seeking new jobs.
I also heard that the woman who spearheaded this joined the school board after having to give up her job due to "Emotional Breakdown". Yep, that's what we need running an establishment for children.
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| An Intelligently Designed Science Class... | Nov 10th. at 12:59:56 am EST
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Mysteries Child (Garfield, West Virginia) - Email Me
... would teach the flaws, uncertainties, and questions remaining in the subject of evolution without bringing religion or the possible guidance of the process up at all.
I have been a believer in ID since I was old enough to formulate a belief. However, the job of science is to quantify the provable.
Quantifying the unprovable is the place and purpose of the field of mysticism...
... and I for one am somewhat uncomfortable with science teachers and the BOE being urged to put me out of a job.
I do, however, feel that the science education I received taught its Theories as Dogma, and did more than the teaching of Intelligent Design ever could to stunt the development of Critical Reasoning Skills.
Further think public schools, instead of ostensibly giving preferential treatment to Atheism, should be required to offer Mythology and Comparative Religion, at least on an elective basis.
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| A National Embarrassment | Nov 9th. at 7:27:39 pm EST
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Siara (Annapolis, Maryland) - Email Me
This idiocy in Kansas has been reported by media all over the world. As an American, it makes me cringe with embarrassment. A bunch of poorly educated nuts have voted to give their children an even poorer education. Talk about downward spirals...
Obviously, these morons have no understanding of the scientific method (i.e.- experimentation producing consistant, predictable results which can be duplicated) . If they did, they would realize that religion and science involve two different spheres of understanding which aren't mutually exclusive.
Watching the Christian Reich's redefining reality has made me wonder if democracy is truely the best form of government. There needs to be some level of scientific reality that is not decided by vote. What "intuitively obvious" but unprovable truth are the geniuses in Kansas going to vote on next.... Some racial groups are superior to others? Women are meant to stay at home and keep house? People who know God's Truth have an obligation to educate the sinners?
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| Hang On To Your Old Science Books. | Nov 9th. at 2:23:42 pm EST
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bigcat (peoria, Illinois) - Email Me
What's worse, is they hope to spread this-- idiocy to the rest of the country. Start hoarding your science books to keep a second opinion going.
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| We Walking Forward Or Back?! | Nov 9th. at 12:23:37 pm EST
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Cloudspeaker (Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan) - Email Me
I thought the purpose of education was to move the knowledge of the student forward onto great things... Not back into the DARK AGES!
Good Goddess! Fundies - ignoring historical and scientific reality for years - and LOVING it!
Thank heavens that's not happening here!
Cloudspeaker
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| Good News! | Nov 9th. at 10:53:52 am EST
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Ixacacau (Moore, Oklahoma) - Email Me
Kansas may be slogging through the ID quagmire now but hopefully, they will take a look at what happened in Pennsylvania. 8 of the 9 school board members who wanted to add ID to science classrooms were defeated in their bid for re-election and the new board members have promised to remove ID from science courses. There's hope yet.
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| Beam Us Up | Nov 9th. at 12:11:59 am EST
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Meglyn (Anthony, Kansas) - Email Me
Mr. Scott... it is obvious there is no intelligent life in kansas.... this combined with the right rev phred felps goes a long way to making kansas the laughing stock of the universe... next, they start work on making pi = 3.0000....... and to think, i moved here... gawd!!! what was i thinking???
Brite Blessings
Meg
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