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10/8/2008
11:17:47 am EDT
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Man Accused Of Assaulting 'Witch' At Taft
Author: Michael P. McConnell Source: Daily Tribune (MI)
Title: MAN ACCUSED OF ASSAULTING 'WITCH' AT TAFT
A Ferndale man who attends Taft Education Center is accused of pouring a liquid on an English teacher and holding a lighter near her because he believed she was a witch.
"The suspect later told us he was trying to kill the witch by pouring holy water over her head," said Ferndale Detective Ken Denmark. "We confiscated two lighters from him and he was committed for psychiatric evaluation."
The suspect, Darin Najor, 20, faces a pretrial hearing Oct. 23 in Ferndale 43rd District Court on a misdemeanor charge of assault and battery. He was arrested and posted bond in the incident on Monday.
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| Interesting | Oct 10th. at 8:02:21 am EDT
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Rowan Foxfyre (Indianapolis, Indiana) - Email Me
I find it quite Ironic that the article mentions that their assignment was "The Crucible"...
I don't find this story hard to believe at all, I have run into quite a number of, well shall we be polite and call them nutjobs (to use my actual opinion would involve several more negative terms I won't utter here) , who proceeded to pray loudly in front of me, attempt to fend me off with a Bible, and other such nonsense when they heard me profess my beliefs.
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| More Pitiable Insanity...... | Oct 9th. at 9:29:09 pm EDT
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Karl (Detroit Metro, Michigan) - Email Me
This individual is obviously deranged, and more than likely made so by the insidious dogmatic drivel that the sheeple are constantly bombarded with. Perhaps this soon-to-be-institutionalized cretin thought he could just pour “holy” water on the woman and have her melt like the “wicked witch of the west”. She is fortunate it was only water.
Not long ago, we discussed an assault with a flammable liquid in this very forum:
( [Web LINK] )
We also discussed the raving lunacy of that man of “god”, Mr. Muthee and his barbaric, but “heroic” African witch-hunting exploits:
( [Web LINK] )
Who can forget the battery and brutality perpetrated against Pagan teen India Tracy by demented religionists in 2003?
( [Web LINK] )
In Asia, there is a new weapon against those you don’t agree with -----ACID:
( [Web LINK] )
The previously stated exhortation: “Shields up, and do your protection work regularly” is very sound advice, and certainly warranted in today’s atmosphere of increasing madness.
Of course, the bubbling sewer which has induced centuries of religionist atrocities, barbarism, butchery, brutality and murder in the name of “god”, and, which was most certainly the basis for this recent incident, reported in the above cited article is…..……
…..….the pentateuch.
I detest every filthy, stinking page of it.
K
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| Fiction? | Oct 9th. at 9:12:13 pm EDT
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Shadow Dragon (nashville, Tennessee) - Email Me
This might be fiction made by a fundi, who wants to spread fear to pagans this Halloween. In these false stories, they never admit witchcraft exist. Also they never said it was water in the bottle. I think there going to use water bottles as weapons this Halloween. Remember, toy guns are treated as deadly weapons if use in robberies. Protesters always carry water bottles with them.
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| Degrees, Probable Cause, Propaganda, Whatever... | Oct 9th. at 1:25:03 pm EDT
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Medea (Somewhere, Massachusetts) - Email Me
The bottom line is, (as I see it, at least) that we're hearing more and more about these sorts of incidents. Do not live in fear, but be aware, and protect yourself accordingly. There are a lot of nuts out there.
Remember that this woman is a teacher, and "The Crucible" Is standard course curriculum in public high schools. She told the assailant "There are no such thing as witches." Many, many mainstream people believe this. In fact, one of the diagnostic evaluation questions in the DSM VI is~ "Is the patient convinced that they have 'magical abilities' and has an 'unhealthy interest' in occult matters". Much of the mainstream world, (especially the psychiatric profession) considers anyone who practices the art and science of change in accordance with the will to be a potential lunatic. (Unless they are devotees of an accepted mainstream faith, of course. "Miracles" are ok, "Magick" is the province of the insane. Right.)
The DSM VI will be the standard by which this man is judged as well. What's wrong with this picture?
Ethical practitioners of magick still have a lot of ground to gain as far as acceptance in the mainstream scene. Although we do seem to have acceptance from unbalanced individuals like this man, who are convinced that they have some "holy mission" to not suffer a witch to live.
My advice? Shields up, and do your protection work regularly.
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| Degrees Of Assault | Oct 9th. at 11:27:16 am EDT
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Lynette (Roanoke, Virginia) - Email Me
The charge was probably made by the patrol officer who was called to the scene. In most states, the rule for the degree of assault initially charged is the amount of harm done to the victim. (Note: the prosecutor can lessen or increase the charges at any time before trial.)
For instance: If I go out to my local Irish pub for a drink and a young man there is unconscionably rude to me.
--I lose my temper and slap his face. - I most likely will be charged with misdemeanor assault. I left a red mark on his face and embarrassed him. Very little harm done to him, but I need to be shown that this is unacceptable behavior.
--I pick up the cane belonging to the elderly gentleman next to me and break the young lout’s arm. - I am most likely going to be charged with felony assault. I hurt the man badly and may have caused permanent damage.
-- I am so incensed that I grab a steak knife off a table and stab him. - I’ll be charged with aggravated assault, assault with a deadly weapon or attempted murder depending on the seriousness of his wound.
The LEO who arrested the fellow was confronted with an assault that did no harm. If the bottle had contained a flammable liquid OR the assailant had actually touched the lighter flame to the teacher’s body, the officer would have had grounds for a felony assault charge. (S) He didn’t have those grounds. (S) He charged the student and got him into a position to have a medical professional evaluate his sanity.
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| A Disturbed Man | Oct 8th. at 11:29:52 pm EDT
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Holly Risingstar (Marlton, New Jersey) - Email Me
What we have here is a man who is very disturbed, and whose upbringing may well have predisposed him to believing all witches are to be feared. Add the two together and you have a frightening, potentially lethal combination. One does not generally engage in this level of attack unless there are other, diagnosable problems present. I suspect this was much less an attack against witches than a very sad expression of insanity.
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| Religiously Motivated - Or Just "Nuts"? | Oct 8th. at 11:29:43 pm EDT
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nasionnaich (Stanchfield, Minnesota) - Email Me
I agree with most people who see a "conspiracy" of Christian Fundamental-morons trying to spread fear and panic throughout the world. But I happen to also see something far more disturbing than nut-job whack-heads doing "Gawds Werk"....
The 20 year old man was charged with MISDEMEANOR assault and battery. After all, all he did was plan to "kill" a "witch"..... If he had deliberately planned and then attempted to kill, say, a black Nigerian priest of Ulu -- he would have been slapped with a FELONY charge!!!!!
What's the difference, you might ask. Well, "everyone knows" that "witches" aren't real, so it's "just impossible" to kill one (you'd have to be crazy to even think of trying to kill what doesn't really exist, y'know...) -- but the black Nigerian priest of Ulu....he's a real person.
It doesn't matter one damm whether the "killer" uses water or kerosene, is "deranged" or completely sane. What matters is that he DELIBERATELY TRIED TO KILL SOMEONE!!!! Since he only tried to "kill" a "witch" with "holy water" and a Bic lighter, well...he's "obviously" just loony-toons and gets only a misdemeanor charge.
Didn't Jesus teach that it is always wrong to kill, no matter what the reason? Perhaps it is time for all laws pertaining to murder be equal...ANY attempted murder should automatically be a felony, no matter what the "reason". No more hiding behind "Gawd told me to do it".
---nasionnaich
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| They Are Escalating 'spirit Warfare' | Oct 8th. at 8:53:08 pm EDT
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Rubyglare (Sacramento, California) - Email Me
[Web LINK] The 12th House followers are getting unsettled, haven't you heard of certain people & the 'war' they're waging against "The Queen of Heaven"? [Web LINK]
[Web LINK]
They are 'spirit-mapping' & praying against 'territorial demons' (spirits attached to the land/lakes/rivers/forests/stones, etc) & they are using prayers as black magick-imprecatory they call it. It does not surprise me that with certain people using militant-sounding language some unbalanced types interpret the words as how-to manuals.
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| Psychiatric Evaluation | Oct 8th. at 8:41:23 pm EDT
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Ahr-Ohn (Bridgeport, Connecticut) - Email Me
Psychiatric Evaluation: Too Stupid to Live, but we might want someone murdered someday.
The fact that the teacher got wet, from the Holy Water, exonerates her of WitchCraft, as she obviously was not rejecting the waters of her Baptism.
On the other hand, if anyone needs a bridge, my prices are reasonable.
It sounds like Adult Education is for people, who need an excuse for not being employed, other than, "too stupid for Minimum Wage."
This sort of thing would be more common, in Indianna, about a decade ago. Maybe some preachers have moved.
Hitler was likely evaluated after that Bier Hall Putsch, and the blackmail material his psychiatrists brought him, made history.
Arawn
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| Sent This In Response | Oct 8th. at 8:08:45 pm EDT
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Christopher Blackwell (Deming, New Mexico) - Email Me
" Never the less this shows that religious bigotry against Witches can cause some people to try and do harm to people. As is usually the case those accused of being Witches almost never are. This is the reason why Witch trials deservedly got a bad name for killing innocents.
That does not change the fact that religious inspired hatred is dangerous to innocent people. That second attack might well have been even more dangerous. The first attack could have been dangerous if that had been a flammable liquid as happened to a Wiccan shop keeper in another town only a few days ago. "
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| Water Is Inflammable? | Oct 8th. at 6:47:16 pm EDT
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foreverknightfan (Dardanelle, Arkansas) - Email Me
Read the story,. He poured water on her then lit a lighter over her head.
Last I heard, water doesn't catch fire, it tends to put OUT fire. And flame goes normally upward, not downward.
Now unless he used the city water of some major urban area that does have containants that could ignite, and unless his lighter could drop down its fuel over her head, I really think the guy was mentally ill, noit motivated by hatred of " witches".
I do wish some of us would get out of our own fears and biases. Look at the calendar, people, Its October, You know, Halloween and all that. Decorations, costumes in stores. And gee, a mentally ill person seeing such decorations, including witches" just MIGHT see a teacher as a " witch", dontcha think?
Yes we do have certain people calling us all sorts of nasy, hateful things and calling our gods demons and so forth. They've been doing that for centuries. And in the past pagans of various cultures have suffered under those intolerant little snots.
But THIS isn't one of them, lads and ladies.
Look, I'm as wary as the next person about what the fundie type Xians would love to do to us if they could get away with it. But crying " religious bigotry" at any story where " witch" is mentioned is over the top in hypersensitivity.
Heck, we can't even get it straight which definition of " witch" TO use. To a non- Pagan our terminology regaridng " witch", " witchcraft" and Wicca is pretty dang confusing. I've been a Pagan/Wiccan for over 25 years and I STILL get confused when someone calls themselves a " witch" which " witch " the actually ARE.
To blame the fundie Xians for something like this does NOT make us look credible or sane. Its bad enough that the public thinks we are some hippie nutso New Agey remnant or some idiots who saw too much " Buffy" and " Charmed". The point is that in cases like this its NOT religious persecuton. Let's keep a SANE perspective, shall we?
We have plenty of cases where there IS actual religious bigoitry involved to show at times we DO get hatred shown to us.
This case isn't one of them.
Geta grip on reality, people and on critical thinking. Do we want to be like the fundies who see " anti-Christian bigotry" everywhere?
I want the public to understand that the various Pagan paths are legitimate religions. If we wish to be better than the fundies, we shouldn't be DOING as they do.
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| ... | Oct 8th. at 6:38:31 pm EDT
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Draken (Bronx, New York) - Email Me - Web
Only thing this crazy needs now is his pockets stuffed with Chick tracts.
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| It's...it's PROPAGANDA, I Say!!! | Oct 8th. at 4:24:33 pm EDT
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Keyra (Plano, Texas) - Email Me
Back when I lived in Salem, Mass, I was (briefly) a tour guide. Well, of course, what do the tourists want to hear about? WITCHES!
I begin with the usual textbook information that is available in every public library regarding what transpired during the persecutions, just as I did on every tour. Before I had even gotten to modern-day Witchcraft/Wicca/Paganism and was only beginning to start Salem's own past with the executions, a woman interrupted me asking if it was okay if she left the tour. I thought maybe she was feeling ill until she blurted out, "I think I've heard enough propaganda for one day".
There are people out there who are so firmly entrenched in the white-light and rainbows of their faith that they are blind to its darkness. "Oh, MY people could never have done such a horrible thing! And for you to say that they did (even though it's true with documented proof that would fill a warehouse) must mean that you're against the truth of my faith! You're...you're one of THEM!"
This deranged individual certainly foots that bill quite nicely; however, here is what really disturbs me about this...
[Web LINK]
Remember this one? At least this idiot used "holy water" instead of kerosene as with the former idiot, but the principle is identical. The first one was in Illinois. This one was in Michigan.
What is happening in the Midwest? Who is putting this idea out there? I find it hard to believe that this is just coincidence as the motives were nearly identical, and so is the geography.
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| Sounds To Me Like... | Oct 8th. at 2:55:44 pm EDT
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bigcat (peoria, Illinois) - Email Me
a very religiously preoccupied schizophrenic.
The teacher may not have been a witch, but that doesn't mean he didn't perceive her to be one. Sometimes, these sort of people will center on an individual or a group in the deranged belief that they are something "evil" and will harass or attack them at any turn.
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| Seems Quite Obvious... | Oct 8th. at 2:22:14 pm EDT
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Mysteries Child (Garfield, Arkansas) - Email Me
...that this one is religiously motivated.
I wonder if a reward might be offered for turning in leaders-- of any religion-- who give official speeches that could clearly and easily be taken to be an incitement to violence???
I'm not talking about a "Well, yeah, maybe" situation. I'm talking about the kind of thing I grew up with, where the [preacher] stands up there screaming "SUFFER NOT A WITCH TO LIVE!!!" at the top of [his] lungs.
I believe in free speech. I believe in free speech. I believe in free speech.
I also believe, in a very limited set of circumstances, in clear and present danger.
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