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[Crime]
Date Posted:
9/12/2009
1:15:03 pm EDT
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Anti-Abortion Activist and Business Owner Slain
Author: AP Source: WXYZ, ABC News (MI)
Title: ANTI-ABORTION ACTIVIST AND BUSINESS OWNER SLAIN
He was known as "the sign guy."
For years, 63-year-old James Pouillon carried graphic anti-abortion placards during solitary vigils in this small town northwest of Detroit, inhaling oxygen from a small tank as he patrolled sidewalks outside schools, city hall and football games. He often found himself in court, fighting arrests or injunctions related to his protests.
Pouillon was out again campaigning against abortion on Friday, when police say a 33-year-old man upset that he was carrying one of his signs in front of a high school shot and killed him.
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| Some | Sep 15th. at 7:22:06 pm EDT
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Gray Fox (Albuquerque, New Mexico) - Email Me
of the comments here have made me sick to my stomach.
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| Egoism | Sep 14th. at 12:05:41 pm EDT
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karrie9 (Kenosha, Wisconsin) - Email Me - Web
Egoism is the habit of valuing people, places and events only in reference to one's world view.
The murderer thought he'd punish according to his angry world view, the journalists thought they'd marginalize one victim and martyr the other along the lines of The Forces of Good™ vs. The Forces of Evil dualism, and the public generally, if you look at various comments to articles/blogs/message boards, went for the polarized abortion debate under the same (generally not so bluntly stated) equation and conclusions.
Some, monotheists included, don't let their social and/or religious indoctrination get so unbalanced that "Love thy neighbor" (things reciprocal) turns into martyring one at the expense of the other.
The murderer's mom used to work for the murdered business owner, the near third victim, still alive, knew (they thought well of each other) the business owner murder victim.
But...
The common denominator that the murder victims and intended victim probably had in common was that they lived with purpose.
Could it be that, to the murderer, these individuals who crossed his path reminded him that he was the looser he thought he was (a self-feeding cycle of negative thought) ? They may not have been perfect or even liked by all but they stood out?
I wouldn't be surprised.
Our society is scarred not only by these walking time bombs but by rampant egoism --- these shooting sprees at universities, schools, business, on the street or in churches are only the tip of that iceberg.
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| This Sounds Random | Sep 13th. at 10:46:23 pm EDT
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Maeven (Los Angeles, California) - Email Me
It sounds like the killer was on a short spree and this guy just happened to be at the wrong place attracting attention to himself. I don't see anywhere in this report that his political views had anything to do with getting shot. The killer then went to another location and shot another man who was a part-owner of a restaurant. I think the media was just picking anything they could to sensationalize the story. It's a shame the two killings weren't enough for the press.
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| Because Murder Is Better Than Graphic Placards? | Sep 13th. at 7:33:52 pm EDT
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karrie9 (Kenosha, Wisconsin) - Email Me - Web
The guy didn't murder somebody "because" the victim was an activist of *any* kind.
Some people just like answer the call to a power and control struggle...and some of them bring guns.
This has nothing to do with sides of any polarized debate. Not really.
We've all witnessed those who are just waiting, habitually bristling inside, to happen upon someone they'll tear into...it's just they usually don't shoot bullets.
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| Good Gods! I'm SOOOO Sick Of This Arguement! | Sep 13th. at 6:40:01 pm EDT
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Seleya (Prescott, Arizona) - Email Me
That horse is dead already, folks, can we just stop beating it now, PLEASE?
Just because I'm pagan does NOT mean I can't be pro-choice! And who died and made some people "Gods" anyway?
NO ONE has the right to decide for another, when life begins. NO ONE has the right to decide for me what I do with and to my own body.
Not everyone believs life begins at conception. Some believe spirit does not enter the body until the first breath is drawn, some when the baby can survive outside the womb. Since NO ONE can actually PROVE the point, one way or the other, it's moot.
Can't we just agree to disagree?
Peace,
Seleya
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| Now That's An Interesting Take! | Sep 13th. at 6:26:37 pm EDT
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R. Cicero (Seattle, Washington) - Email Me
I believe my acceptance of abortion begins and ends with the notion that not ALL life is sacred. I definitely hold grudges against many living things. And reproduction is a common thing. I mean, what is more obvious about life? No one gets excited about a billion mosquitoes breeding in the swamp, but if it's their little brood, the universe quakes in honor or something. I say, get over your self Quality of life is important. The final call of a woman in regards to HER OWN BODY trumps everything. Shouldn't it? To me, the crime is bringing an unwanted child into a potentially cruel and indifferent world. Using contraceptives, on the other hand, is an act of consideration and compassion, if you're not ready. And hardly anyone ever is. The world is already overrun with neglected children.
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| Interesting How... | Sep 13th. at 1:32:10 pm EDT
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Hoolet (Columbia, South Carolina) - Email Me
...as I read the previous comments I am struck by what I read! I thought Pagans celebrate life, and believe the Goddess is the Mother of All Living. Apparently, that only applies to the fuzzy or feathered living! How many Pagans, who would prosecute those who abuse bunnies or sparrows, think it is okay to slaughter human babies by the thousands? I'm glad there are still a few Pagans out there who see things as I do, but apparently we have our work cut out for us!
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| I Wonder | Sep 13th. at 10:13:53 am EDT
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Aritimi Morgana (RotterdamJct/Schdy/Scotia, New York) - Email Me
if this is going to be fuel for the nutters down in Florida. They may actually have a good shot at getting their propaganda passed now, thanks to this mess. And perhaps those nutbags ought to read 'The Handmaid's Tale' if they think a Christian theocracy is the only way to save America.
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| ... | Sep 13th. at 6:06:58 am EDT
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Draken (Bronx, New York) - Email Me - Web
Let's check the body count...
Pro-abortion crowd: 1; anti-abortion crowd: over 9000
Of course, the xian media is going to trump this up as an act of "terrorism" against the "soldiers of ja-HEE-zus."
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| On The Wrong Side Of A Wacko. | Sep 12th. at 10:21:46 pm EDT
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Medea (Somewhere, Massachusetts) - Email Me
I find it horribly interesting that most of the press about this victim is given to the fact that he was rabidly anti- choice and given to public display. His stand on abortion, bla, bla. Such a good and dedicated man, to stand so vigilantly against women making their own reproductive choices, bla bla. It's all we hear about.
The guy who shot him had a grudge against 2 other people as well.
Why aren't we hearing about the reason he shot the quarry owner? I want to know more about that. And what did he have against the other poor guy, the one who escaped with his life because the nut with the anger issues got caught before he shot HIM?
This wasn't religiously motivated in the least. The guy was mad as hell and went about shooting people because he was enraged, and one of the things he was enraged about was this guy parading around in front of the school with the propaganda sign. It sounds to me like Mr Shooter was having a real bad day, and decided to make a tragic choice by killing people. Different folks, for different reasons, based on the actual facts.
But of course all we're going to hear about is this anti choice guy.
What a crock.
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| Another Martyr Born..... | Sep 12th. at 9:22:39 pm EDT
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bigcat (peoria, Illinois) - Email Me
My condolences to any family he still may have had. While I would violently disagree with his stance, I still would not advocate his murder, simply because it serves no useful purpose save to make him a martyr to his cause, which may have been what he was ultimately seeking.
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| I Agree... | Sep 12th. at 8:02:53 pm EDT
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Corax (Glendale, Arizona) - Email Me
with the poster who stated that there is a big difference between an abortion clinic doctor who quietly went about his work (however incomprehensible it may seem to some) , and someone who went about actually SEEKING controversy.
An acquaintance recently said something I consider very profound:
'The less a person feels in control of his life, that area of his life he still feels he has SOME control of; he will deliberately control that area TO THE GREATEST POSSIBLE DEGREE.'
In other words, here's an old man, who probably doesn't have anything else to live for, i.e., doesn't have anything else to make him feel useful to anybody, chose to adopt this very radical anti-abortion position, because he had nothing else to make his life feel meaningful.
Although I am pro-choice all the way, I feel sorry for this old geezer, because he didn't have anything else to make him feel worthwhile.
It's truly unfortunate that there are so many people in this country who are like this old guy, except that they are much younger and therefore have the time and opportunities to modify and balance their thinking, so that they don't feel the need to get themselves arrested or to shoot abortion doctors!
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| Oh, Someone Save This Country | Sep 12th. at 7:23:11 pm EDT
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Field Faerie (Estacada, Oregon) - Email Me
If this had been a doctor who had performed abortions there wouldn't be half the press there is. Of course someone says that this was a guy putting effort into something he really believed in- you know what I say to that?
"MY BODY IS NOT YOUR PROPERTY, OLD MAN!!!"
Okay, now that I've got that through with, I've just stated my entire argument for abortion rights. Blessings, everybody. Gods know, we'll need them.
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| Apples And Oranges Are Both Fruit, And Yet .... | Sep 12th. at 6:27:10 pm EDT
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Cornelius Anatole (Rockville, Maryland) - Email Me - Web
Comparisons with the murder of George Tiller and other abortion providers are inevitable in a case like this.
But George Tiller did not parade in front of other people's churches with gruesome signs of women who had died from illegal abortions. He did not seek out people he disagreed with and then scream "MURDERER" in their faces. In fact George Tiller simply practiced medicine - and was hunted down and murdered while ushering in his church.
James Pouillon stalked those he disagreed with - he sought out confrontation and intentionally provoked angry reactions.
Pouillon's murder is still just that - murder. But it is nevertheless a very different situation from the murder of George Tiller.
Find More info -- HERE
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| This Happens In Life | Sep 12th. at 2:07:49 pm EDT
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R. Cicero (Seattle, Washington) - Email Me
If you wear your politics not only on your sleeve, but perhaps even get in other people's faces or at least invade their comfort spheres, then it's almost inevitable you'll encounter a higher proportion of your 'natural predators.' It's like flashing gang colors. You intimidate and coerce some, sure, but you also call up and raise the blood of your enemies. Life by the sword--it's dangerous business. I really don't see how the abortion issue will ever be resolved among humans. There will always be some degree of bloodshed over it, I am quite sure. I personally think theoretical 'quality of life' and the woman's health and personal choice trump all other arguments. But the dissent is mighty heavy, isn't it? Look at what they're trying to do in Florida as we speak.
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