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9/11/2006
9:31:17 am EDT
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Pagans Show Pride
Author: Joshua Curtis Source: UNM Daily Lobo (NM)
Title: PAGANS SHOW PRIDE
Pagan Sterling Kyle said monotheistic religions view their god as being one pane of glass.
Pagans see that glass as broken into many pieces, he said.
"I look at Christianity, Islam and paganism. When you strip all the dogma, don't harm your neighbor," he said. "Be a good person - someone supportive of community."
Sterling was the security coordinator for Pagan Pride Day on Sunday at Bataan Park and is also the founder of the Pagan Student Union at NMSU.
"People don't understand paganism," he said. "This nation is a Christian nation."
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| If Christianity Is A Pane Of Glass .. | Sep 12th. at 1:28:55 pm EDT
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Ananta Androscoggin (Greene, Maine) - Email Me
that Paganism, Neopaganism, and Paleopaganism must actually be the ocean of grains of sand from which that pane of glass was descended by an act of fire and violence.
How's that for a re-write? For an alternative metaphor?
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| Liked Some Points, Didn't Like Some Other Things.. | Sep 11th. at 9:08:58 pm EDT
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karrie9 (Kenosha, Wisconsin) - Email Me - Web
Oh the dangers of speaking for all Pagans...I don't see the Divine as fractured (or like a broken pane of glass) but as a whole that contains separate entities...and people!
About that "Christian Nation" phrase...
There are many Christians in the United States but we are not a Christian Nation -- that would be a theocracy. [Web LINK]
It's true that we work with the majority vote [Web LINK] in elections and other decision-making processes. However, these two things must be kept or decided separately, else majoritarian tyranny (mob rule) becomes a problem.
1. Civil Rights
2. Church and State (as in separation of church and state [Web LINK] )
There was a time that slavery was "okay." It's not okay. That's one example of why civil rights should be decided separately. People can try to interfere with other’s civil rights and daily life on the basis of what religion they belong to, if any. That’s called creedism and it’s not okay either. Others’ religious rights end where mine begin – that would be in accordance with the (no) harm principle -- that's not just a Wiccan or "liberal" principle. [Web LINK]
The use of the term "Christian Nation" is a meme -- a mental virus that spreads and infects many people. [Web LINK] Some memes are good but this one can cause problems and confusion. That's why things must be named (power of names) and differentiated (show how things are different and why the differences are important) .
About that "NonJudeo-Christian or Islam is technically pagan" -- that's kind of close to what the religious tolerance page has to say on the topic. [Web LINK]
I like the point that Pagans generally (!) don't proselytize.
They got the point across that Pagans are celebrating who they are -- that's good.
People really need to hear and see that!
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| Not Too Bad | Sep 11th. at 8:31:26 pm EDT
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Lady Heather (Nanaimo, South Dakota) - Email Me
this article is not too being that a chalotic person wrote it. Yes the person was a student probobly first year in the university it was written from. But i think it wasnt too bad. the person did not know too much what they were talking about but atleast they tried and i thought it was a very good article
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| It Appears To Me... | Sep 11th. at 5:14:37 pm EDT
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Tempest ShadowRunner (Missoula, Colorado) - Email Me
That this article was written for a highschool paper by an inexperienced journalism student. The entire article was very bland and non-commital. And if the journalist had any experience whatsoever, they would have done their best to find a way to speak to the coordinator of the event, rather than just a bunch of random people. And as for the analogy of Christian religion being one pane of glass and paganism the broken glass.... I'm almost offended. It makes my faith sound like some kind of spin-off, and it is anything but. If any analogy should be made, it would be that Christianity is but one facet of the many faceted jewel that represents all faiths. All I really have to say is that if most pagan pride celebrations are like this, I think I'm glad I'm a solitary.
Blessings,
Tempest ShadowRunner
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| ... | Sep 11th. at 1:44:49 pm EDT
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Draken (Bronx, New York) - Email Me - Web
Did they pick the fluffy on purpose? This is NOT a Christianist nation.
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| Well-meaning Pagans | Sep 11th. at 12:54:54 pm EDT
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Greenman (Columbus, Indiana) - Email Me - Web
This is a good example of a well-meaning Pagans speaking for the community but not giving answers that are well-thought-out or accurate. I commend their efforts, but hope for improvement.
Why the reporter failed to interview the head coordinator of the event and spoke to the security coordinator and a vendor is puzzling.
Seeing the Divine as pieces of broken glass does not represent most of the Pagan theologies. I was surprised that there was no mention of the Goddess, either.
The US *populace* are predominantly Christian, but the *nation* is one of religious freedom and plurality.
Saying Pagans are all "the non-Abrahamic" people of the world is too broad of stroke and also is the Church's definition, not ours, ie, all non-monotheists are automatically "pagans". I think the term Neo-Pagan better represents those who are involved in the Pagan Pride Project.
I guess the lesson here for those of us involved with PPD is to get your PR person connected and identified with the media first if possible.
bb,
Greenman
aka "Cern"
Find More info -- HERE
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| It's Good Press But ! | Sep 11th. at 11:01:02 am EDT
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Libertarian (Langley, Washington) - Email Me - Web
I don't agree with the quote "This is a Christian nation". Even the fundies will tell you that only an individual can be a Christian by accepting the claims associated with Jesus Christ. Most Americans will claim to be Christian but that doesn't mean that the nation is Christian. Non-Christians should point that out when someone says that the Nation is Christian.
Blessings
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