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Date Posted: 1/5/2008 8:12:47 am EST
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Okla. Bills Target Religious Discrimination Against Students

Author: Associated Press Source: Washington Post

Title: OKLA. BILLS TARGET RELIGIOUS DISCRIMINATION AGAINST STUDENTS
Reps. Mike Reynolds and Sally Kern, Republicans from Oklahoma City, have introduced nearly identical bills for the upcoming session called the Religious Viewpoints Antidiscrimination Act.
The legislation would require that an expression by a student of a religious viewpoint be treated in the same way as an expression of any secular viewpoint. Both measures would prohibit school districts from discriminating against students based on religious viewpoints and would require every district in the state to adopt a written policy to prohibit such discrimination.
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| (none) | Jan 8th. at 6:04:16 am EST
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Moonlight Wolf (Bradford, England) - Email Me

So long as they just remember that it doesn't just apply to Christians but applies to all religions.
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| Sadly, There Really Is A Conspiracy... | Jan 7th. at 6:10:52 pm EST
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GreeneDragon (Palmdale, California) - Email Me

and it has been patiently growing for almost 20 years. In my opinion the school system is being systematically sabotaged in various places to encourage its eventual shutdown...
Neo-Cons are being to to run for school boards and then "Your goal (once on the board) must be to sink the ship."
Read this ( [Web LINK] ) article written in 1994:
>>Unsurprisingly, Reconstructionists seek to abolish public schools, which they see as a critical component in the promotion of a secular world view. It is this secular world view with which they declare themselves to be at war. "Until the vast majority of Christians pull their children out of the public schools," writes Gary North, "there will be no possibility of creating a theocratic republic."
>>Among the top Reconstructionists in education politics is Robert Thoburn of Fairfax Christian School in Fairfax, Virginia. Thoburn advocates that Christians run for school board, while keeping their own children out of public schools. "Your goal" (once on the board) , he declares, "must be to sink the ship." While not every conservative Christian who runs for school board shares this goal, those who do will, as Thoburn advises, probably keep it to themselves. Thoburn's book, The Children Trap, is a widely used sourcebook for Christian Right attacks on public education. Also see this ( [Web LINK] ) article from 1999. For more recent articles showing this is NOT ancient history note the following from various 2007 articles:
Southern Baptists in 2007 say: “Non-Christian education puts the child in a vacuum…. The result is that child dies. Christian education alone really nurtures personality because it alone gives the child air and food…. Modern educational philosophy gruesomely insults our God and our Christ. How, then, do you expect to build anything positively Christian or theistic upon a foundation which is the negation of Christianity and theism?…. No teaching of any sort is possible except in Christian schools.” [Web LINK]
EVEN RATIONAL PEOPLE are falling in love with the idea of abolishing public schools...
Libertarians in 2007 say: "Getting the government out of the business of schooling is important not only because it violates the non-aggression principal, but also because it is what is best for children. This begs the question ~ what steps should be taken to end the UNHOLY marriage government has with education?" [Web LINK]
A well educated and articulate blogger/parent wrote: "If our public schools future is to be more about feelings of achievements over achievements themselves, politically approved and correct views rather than philosophy, group think and cooperation over ability of the individual to think, and other new wave prescriptions to mold our children into model citizens for the utopia that is coming, then we need to abolish them and give the monies to the parents to fund a real education choosing from the differing curricula offered privately. To me it appears that our school system has gone over the tipping point and is no longer able to be salvaged." [Web LINK]
If the public school system falls, expect the majority of America's children to be educated by christian private schools with no opportunity for learning perspectives of tolerance and objective critical thinking...
ONE MORE TIME: >>"Until the vast majority of Christians pull their children out of the public schools," writes Gary North, "there will be no possibility of creating a THEOCRATIC REPUBLIC [emphasis mine]." -- Gary North (Christian Reconstructionist author)
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| What I Did On My Summer Vacation | Jan 6th. at 12:10:58 am EST
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GreeneDragon (Palmdale, California) - Email Me

Little Billy writes an essay and reads it to his 3rd grade classmates:
"This summer I went to Bible Camp and got this leather and gold New Testament (holds it up to show) . I learned that God's son Jesus died for our sins because we all are guilty of sin. I learned Jesus loves us and if we don't love Jesus back we are all going to be sent to Hell to suffer horrible eternal torture in fire. The End."
Little Wendy writes an essay too and reads it to the same 3rd grade classmates:
"This summer I went to the Pagan Pride Festival with my folks and we sang and danced and (puts items on the teachers desk as she talks) I made this dreamcatcher, this crystal necklace and this spell candle with a pentagram on it. The End."
The question is: Would either of these essays count as prosteletyzing (trying to recruit believers) in a courtroom?
The next week several Jewish and Budhist families report their kids say are having nightmares about being burned alive and have asked is it OK if they love Jesus?
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| All It'll Take.. | Jan 5th. at 12:28:09 pm EST
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bigcat (peoria, Illinois) - Email Me

is one Pagan to change things by expressing a viewpoint. This is a Christian's only thing. It'll be interesting to see just how long it will last without someone saying something. And- even if it does work, it won't force bullying to take any holiday.
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| Interesting | Jan 5th. at 12:00:16 pm EST
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Shadow (Webb City, Missouri) - Email Me

It will be interesting to see, if the law is passed, what the chritsians will do when students from other religions start doing things. You and everyone knows they just mean it for the chritsian students, not anyone other religions group.
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| Not What They Expect... | Jan 5th. at 11:37:18 am EST
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Dan Holzman-Tweed (New York CIty, New York) - Email Me

Happily, this is not the back door to letting Creationism into the science classroom. Students who express a religious belief in the science classroom already get the very same treatment that students who bring secular beliefs do: the belief is examined using scientific method.
Also, religious students and secular students are graded on the same thing, on discrimination involved: their knowledge and understanding of scientific theory; regardless of whether they believe it.
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| ... | Jan 5th. at 9:29:41 am EST
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Draken (Bronx, New York) - Email Me - Web

I remember reading that they did this in VA. I remember that a Pagan group handed out flyers in VA. I remember they suddenly changed the policy when the hillbillies there complained about the "godless heathen debbil-worshippers" handing out flyers.
Let them do it. They'll learn that "freedom of religion" means ALL religions.
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| They Did That In A School System In Va | Jan 5th. at 8:56:31 am EST
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Jeff Kincaid (Lynchburg, Virginia) - Email Me

A local Pagan group handed out flyers along side a Christian group. Suddenly the flyer policy was changed and no outside group could hand out flyers. Pretty funny stuff.
SPQR
Jeff
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| Bring It On! | Jan 5th. at 8:22:45 am EST
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Serenity Joy (Glen Burnie, Maryland) - Email Me

I predict that this law would last exactly as long as it takes a pagan to express his or her viewpoint under the law, at which point the Christian right will be falling over themselves to get it reversed.
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