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6/3/2009
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Pa. Mom Can't Read Bible At Kindergarten Show And Tell
Author: The Associated Press Source: First Amendment Center Online
Title: PA. MOM CAN'T READ BIBLE AT KINDERGARTEN SHOW AND TELL
A kindergartner's mother cannot read Scripture during show and tell, even if the Bible is the boy's favorite book, a federal appeals court said yesterday in the latest challenge over religion in public schools.
The Marple Newtown School District in suburban Philadelphia told plaintiff Donna Kay Busch in October 2004 that she could not read the Bible passages during her son's "All About Me" program. The school did permit the boy to discuss a poster that included references to his church as well as his family, pet and best friend.
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| Mom...is That You? | Jun 4th. at 10:00:35 pm EDT
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Ixacacau (Moore, Oklahoma) - Email Me
"Schools can more tightly control speech presented to younger students, who may not distinguish a parent from their teacher, Scirica wrote"
Give the kids some credit. Give the adults some credit, too, for recognizing proselytizing when they see it.
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| If People Would Read The Article.. | Jun 4th. at 5:10:30 pm EDT
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Serena Moonsilver (Monroe, Michigan) - Email Me
It says that a baby sitter testified that they boy's favorite book at the time was Brown Bear, Brown Bear. Also, that All About Me project also included a poster which they did let the boy talk about his church and religious activities with his family. It sounds like the school did a reasonable job of drawing a line between the boy's religious freedoms and those of his class.
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| Another Christian Conversionary Tactict. | Jun 4th. at 12:02:20 am EDT
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Roy Linford Adams (Buxton, Maine) - Email Me
I'll bet the bible isn't the kid's favorite book. It's mommy's. She no doubt, made her kid use her book in his project. No kindergarden kid is interested in listening to someone read the bible, let alone read it themselves. This is the same thing as a kid saying Stock Market dailys are his favorite reading. It's bull. His mother just wanted to use her kid to get in front of other people's kids to try to convert them.
And you can also bet she already had a plan to publically retaliate the second they wouldn't let her and twist this into another brick in the wall of lies called "Descrimination against christians"
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| At That Age .... | Jun 3rd. at 11:17:45 pm EDT
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Emerald Tiger (Jamestown, North Dakota) - Email Me
... I can see the problem.
HOWEVER, that is where the parent/s ALSO have a responsibility in educating their child.
That is how I learned. If I was taught something different in school than what I was taught at home I talked with my parents and they guided me in making my own choices of belief. If it was totally contradictory to our beliefs Mom's favorite line was, "When you get to heaven you can ask Jesus." (She still uses that line on occasion.)
The problem comes later in the education process, when the students need to start learning how to deal with those beliefs that are different than there own.
Case in point, one of my friends faced such religious discrimination while in high school. Although there were some that accepted his Wiccan beliefs as being his beliefs and not their's, there were some that were totally adamant about confronting him and "imposing" their beliefs on him.
When it cam time to choose a quote that would accompany his picture for the year book he choose a quote (although within his nature to choose something that WOULD raise a controversy) that said "Christianity has Pagan DNA." THIS is where he met the MOST resistance. There were several on the year book staff that REFUSED to type it yet they included quotes from the Bible, which they gladly typed.
If these students have a hard time dealing with this in the CONTROLED environment of the school, how are they going to deal with it in the real world with no safety checks?
YES, at a young age children need to learn age specific content. And religious slanted content is BEYOND that grasp. It is a delicate balance. Where does it change from "cultural" to "religious"?
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| What If? | Jun 3rd. at 10:20:08 pm EDT
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David Mehling (Anderson, Indiana) - Email Me
While I agree that this is inappropriate for children that young, a comparative religion class for teens is one thing, this is quite another. I wonder what if another mother would say that her childs favorite book is the Koran or the Talmud or the Book of the Dead, etc and want to read that to the class? For years school children have learned Greek and Roman myths and sometimes those of other cultures. I wonder if someone upset that they cant read a Bible to a class might claim that complain that myths are somehow Pagan proslytizing? Just some what ifs.
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| ... | Jun 3rd. at 6:07:35 pm EDT
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Draken (Bronx, New York) - Email Me - Web
1) I don't blame the school. Aren't you supposed to keep children that young AWAY from such pornographic material, not to mention point out that the events depicted in that book are false?
2) What if you get this thing approved? Why, then you'll have fluff-bunny "playgans" in kindergarten classrooms telling slander and writing libel to the children about how "goth" people aren't really Pagan!
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| Can't Prey In School? | Jun 3rd. at 5:38:10 pm EDT
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Ahr-Ohn (Bridgeport, Connecticut) - Email Me
I don't know the full details, but if a mother can get in to read the bible, to children, what's to stop a goth sister from tossing all the children into a Cauldron, and stirring up a potion? I don't see this as a question since, if the child likes reading The Bible, he may do so, and, if the child wants to present Mommy at Show and Tell, that's also his buisiness. This sounds, though, as though the mommy were stealling her child's moment in the Sun, and stunting his growth, which might not sit well, with some teachers.
The way she's supposed to exploit the kid, is to have him bring friends home from School, to abusively indoctrinate, but she shouldn't expect permission to prey in school.
Jesus, btw, pretty much recommended joining Children, in Cerredwen's Cauldron.
Arawn
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| What If... | Jun 3rd. at 5:10:30 pm EDT
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wednesday (Albert Lea, Minnesota) - Email Me
What if someone came in and read from the Koran. I bet that mother would have protested like crazy.
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| I THINK... | Jun 3rd. at 5:01:50 pm EDT
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Whitewolf (Schenectady, New York) - Email Me
Childhood should be a religion-free zone!
Love to all
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| Brown Bear Was My Favorite As A Kid, Too! | Jun 3rd. at 4:30:47 pm EDT
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Aurora Callo (Olympia, Washington) - Email Me
I fully believe that the Bible is the mother's favorite and not the boy's. I always stand up for free speech, but there isn't much in the Bible that is suitable for children--violence, sex, demons...that stuff is frightening enough to adults; I would never expose a five-year-old to it. I also agree that children that young can sometimes have trouble distinguishing parents from teachers. This could be very confusing in a classroom.
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| Yeah, OK, Whatever. | Jun 3rd. at 2:10:45 pm EDT
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Batman (Madison, Wisconsin) - Email Me
"It's probably not inherently harmful for children to hear a passage from the Bible, but it is going to be inherently harmful for kids to hear other things, something violent perhaps, that would be extremely disturbing to a 5-year-old," she said. This was said as the closing statement of the article as you'll remember by the mother of this kindergarten student. Yep, I can't imagine reading a book that contains murder, incest, genocide, violence, and other things that would be extremely disturbing to a 5-year old. Oh. Whoops.
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| Show And Tell Ain't What It Used To Be..... | Jun 3rd. at 1:34:05 pm EDT
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bigcat (peoria, Illinois) - Email Me
Sorry that it's his favorite book, but surely he has another one. If she wants to read bible stories in a class, she should be teaching Sunday school anyway.
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