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11/30/2007
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Attorney Says City Can't Deny White Supremacist Church A Permit
Author: Amy M.E. Fischer Source: The Daily News (WA)
Title: ATTORNEY SAYS CITY CAN'T DENY PERMIT
If the city of Longview were to deny a white supremacist church a permit to rent the McClelland Arts Center, it would expose the city and individual council members to the risk of a lawsuit, Longview City Attorney Marilyn Nitteberg-Haan said at Thursday's council meeting.
"The city has no choice but to grant the permit," Nitteberg-Haan told the audience that packed council chambers and overflowed into the hallway.
The United States was founded on the principal of religious freedom, she noted. Although she and city staff members strongly oppose the white supremacists' views, "the viewpoint is protected, and it's protected for a very good reason," the city attorney said.
The Aryan Nations-affiliated Church of Jesus Christ--Christian has applied for a permit to hold a membership recruitment rally at the city-owned McClelland Arts Center the night of Dec. 9.
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| Do Not Be Surprised ... | Dec 3rd. at 5:24:38 am EST
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GreeneDragon (Palmdale, California) - Email Me
if many non-local members of the Aryan groups show up to make it look like local membership is bigger than it actually is. They want press time meaning they want conflict-on-camera for the 6oclock news.
1. Be peaceful at all times. Be better people than they are.
2. Be vigilant -- Remember* that in Canada just a few weeks ago they had POLICE posing as protesters in the crowd carrying rocks to try and start a conflict. If you see something like that point at the person and shout in your loudest voice "PUT DOWN THAT ROCK! THIS IS A PEACEFUL GATHERING! WE DON'T WANT YOU HERE!"
Find More info -- HERE
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| The Rain Falls Equally On All. | Dec 1st. at 7:24:39 pm EST
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bigcat (peoria, Illinois) - Email Me
While I don't care for the jerks and would be hitlerites, and fundie types, they have the same rights under the law.
At least, I have the right not to join them. At least, they'll have an address.
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| Fine, Let Them Have Their Place | Dec 1st. at 11:34:19 am EST
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Aritimi Morgana (RotterdamJct/Schdy/Scotia, New York) - Email Me
.....I say all the better to keep an eye on the psychos. Maybe people of the other religious communities should sit in on the skinhead fundies' services and see what kind of filth they preach. That way, when the psychos whine about being persecuted, there will be tangible proof how sick and perverse supremacists are, that what they preach is not the word of the Christian god but blatant hatred and intolerance. People of all faiths need to stand together and let psychopaths like the white supremacists know they are a tiny, pathetic minority. This is no longer a one-religion country; we are a nation of multiple, diverse faiths that live alongside one another, hopefully in peace.
Maybe I'm just naieve, or desperately optimistic, but we can't let hatred rule our lives. So let the idiots have their hate church---the rest of us will show everyone else what fools these mortals be.
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| I Got Nuthin... | Dec 1st. at 12:53:59 am EST
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nasionnaich (Stanchfield, Minnesota) - Email Me
My own opinion on this crap has already been shared by others. This "Aryan Nation" garbage almost makes me wish I had never signed on with the U.S. Armed Forces..... However, we all need to take a really close look at these whack-jobs -- a lot of what they believe just happens to be the same as what some of the more prominent Politicians believe.
That ONLY "Christians" deserve to enjoy certain freedoms and privileges. How many Pagan/Wiccan groups are part of the "Faith-Based Initiative"? Me, I'm kind of tired of seeing nothing but Judeo-Christian/Muslim groups getting Federal Funding -- and the newsprint that goes along with it -- for doing "good deeds"......and the Muslim groups are nearly as rare as the Pagan/Wiccan groups.
The Neo-Nazi "Aryan Brotherhood/Nation" whack-jobs aren't the only lunacy we need to be on the look-out for, people -- they're just the most vocal of the lunacy, is all.
----nasionnaich
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| The Aryan Nations... | Dec 1st. at 12:34:38 am EST
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seeking wiccan 2 (Delta, Utah) - Email Me
was formed in1978 when a group of disgruntled Mormons were excommunicated from the Mormon Church. These ex-Mormons joined with several other hate groups, including the Nazis, to form the Aryan Nations, thus their name, The Aryan Nations-affiliated Church of Jesus Christ--Christian. Because of their Nazi roots, they would probably not be allowed in Germany. These folks are very, VERY dangerous.
MP & BB
John
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| *ouch* | Nov 30th. at 7:28:07 pm EST
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Palm Bay Tom (Palm Bay, Florida) - Email Me
Just thinking about the cognitive dissonance necessary for a white supremacy group to follow a non-white Jew makes my head hurt. I think the solution here is to give them the permit if they can logically explain how they can hold both ideologies at once.
Tom
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| Well, | Nov 30th. at 5:54:14 pm EST
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Sparrow (Chicago, Mississippi) - Email Me
Everyone's already said my thoughts - it's disgusting, but if we say they can't have their say, others can say we can't have ours.
This is to the poster that asked about Nazism and Christianity - actually, many Nazis were religious (Christian and Pagan) . The Third Riech often used both Christian and Pagan symbols in the propaganda passed out in those years. For more information, check out Wikipedia's Nazism and Religion page (I'll put a link below) . Just to let you know! I happened upon it by accident the other day.
Find More info -- HERE
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| Gritting My Teeth | Nov 30th. at 5:38:43 pm EST
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Mysteries Child (Garfield, Arkansas) - Email Me
I am a free speech fundamentalist.
I am a free-exercise fundamentalist.
I am. I am. I am.
I will not say that the Constitution was not meant to protect these people also.
I will not. I will not. I will not.
I despise them. I think they're evil. I think they're sick. I think they're about as Christian as Fred Phelps. I hope I get to watch when [God] gets His/Her/Its 'hands' on them.
If, however, we decide that the Constitution was not meant to protect those that most of us despise and deem evil, sick, and/or wrong...
...guess what the next religion (or group thereof) denied the right to exist is likely to be??
Plenty of people think we're evil, sick, and wrong. Plenty of people thought it was evil, sick, and wrong to give women and minorities the right to vote. Plenty of people thought abolition was evil, sick, and wrong. Plenty of people thought the culture of the indiginous people was evil, sick, and wrong.
It is not equating these f*ckheads with any of those things...
...but the fact remains.
Allow them to exist.
And watch them closely-- very closely-- for anything resembling a hate crime.
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| Whoa!!! | Nov 30th. at 5:34:29 pm EST
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Katmandu (elba, Alabama) - Email Me
A white-sup's church? Ohhh-kaaay. Sorry folks, but that to me makes as much sense as saying Jesus was Chinese and the moon really is made of cheeze.
Why do I in my mind's ear see some middle-aged scraggly-looking man standing at some pulpit while the choir sings a stirring rendition of "Oh come all ye white folks"?
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| Wait | Nov 30th. at 3:32:28 pm EST
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Lady Arrian (Cincinnati, Ohio) - Email Me
The Aryan Brotherhood, a group that follows the words of Hitler and Nazism, has decided that it's Christian?????
Some one correct if I'm wrong here, but weren't Hitler and the leaders of the Nazi movement against all religion???
Anyway, as much as I am against any and all things that are part of the Aryan Brotherhood and those like them, they still do have the right to peacefully assemble and voice their opinions.
And I applaud the town that this is happening in for the intelligent and logical way they are dealing with it.
MP & BB
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| And Just For The Record, | Nov 30th. at 2:23:39 pm EST
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Arachne Priestess (Cookeville, Tennessee) - Email Me
let it be known that the true testament of their Hate Mongering and Racist ways, is buried in the concentration camps of Eastern Europe bearing the name Juden. We can watch all of the watered down presentations we want, but the true horror, the true terror of their inhumanity lies in Germany. Nameless corpses beyond counting. So even in the wake of their new found freedoms, never forget the atrocities that their forefathers committed in the name of racial purity and religious persecution.
Because in the end, it could just as easily been Witches in those camps, rather than Jews and Romany. It could just as easily have been you, rather than those forced into those camps. Never forget.
Namaste
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| Does Anyone Else Wonder | Nov 30th. at 2:14:18 pm EST
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Arachne Priestess (Cookeville, Tennessee) - Email Me
how they made the leap from Aryan supremacy to Jesus Christ, the dark skinned, dark haired Jewish leader of a renegade Jewish sect and/or cult of its time? Jesus, in all of the pictures I've seen, certainly was a tall, tan, blond surfer dude with Germanic features and traits.
But I guess its not a far flip when one thinks of extremism. Everyone seems to think they are better than everyone else in extremist communities, be it religious or otherwise. Whats one more prejudice heaped on the pile, in the long run? Your not our religion! Your not our color! Your gay! You don't follow the same tenets of the faith that we do, so we are better than you! It all stems from the same place, ignorance and hate. Sigh.
But here, do they have the right to practice their beliefs? The same thing that gives us our rights to brand ourselves Witches, is the same thing that gives them theirs to be Aryan supremacists.
But I GAG as I say that.
Namaste
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| Wish I Was Home To See This | Nov 30th. at 12:31:14 pm EST
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Lorca (Longview, Washington) - Email Me
This bunch of dim-witted, under-educated losers is undoubtedly it's own worst enemy. Watching them attempt to justify their utterly untenable position with regard to racial and religious minorities is sure to be a laugh a minute.
Just a guess, but given the almost inevitable demographic makeup of the lot, half of their leaders will be in jail (or _back_ in jail) in six months and the whole organization will fall apart anyway, there being very few members with eighth-grade education required to keep it organized and running.
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| I Agree With You... | Nov 30th. at 10:33:45 am EST
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GreenRain (Sedalia, Missouri) - Email Me
Okay, white supremacy is not something I agree with.
But I do agree that they have the right to believe whatever they want. Until they, or any group for that matter, uses that right to run over another's right or hurt another person.
I mean, certain people have every right to call me a "Witch B*tch Dyke Hippie." And I have every right to call them ignorant.
But neither of us has the right to prevent the other from natural disaster relief or to string the other up by their toenails. Even if one or both of us would like to do one or both of those things.
My 8th grade history teacher when I lived in Colorado once told us that on MLK, Jr. day, a parade was held in the capitol, on one side of the building, celebrating civil rights movements. He also said on the same day on the other side a KKK group burned crosses and effigies of black men. And that as long as no violence broke out, and no fire codes were broken, they had every right.
It sucks, and I don't want to see it, but in the words of another history teacher of mine, "my right to extend my closed fists extends almost everywhere, but ends at your nose."
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| Good Thinking, Fellers.. | Nov 30th. at 10:23:22 am EST
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Greybird (Sullivan, Indiana) - Email Me
A white supremacist Church of Jesus Christ.
That's just hilarious, seeing as how Jesus was such a blonde-haired, blue-eyed white guy.
In any case, of course they couldn't deny them the permit. It should certainly strike anyone around here as off that a group might be denied a permit because the local government doesn't agree with them.
They have the right, just like the people of the town have the right to protest against them.
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