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9/1/2006
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Update 2: "Jesus" Lawsuit Back On?
Author: Sarah Kapis Source: WTRF (WV)
Title: "JESUS" LAWSUIT BACK ON?
The civil liberties groups that sued the Harrison County School Board because of the portrait of Jesus hanging in Bridgeport High School, say they are "very concerned" over its replacement.
Thursday, the Harrison County school board decided not to fight the lawsuit involving the Jesus painting at Bridgeport High School. The painting was stolen several weeks ago, so there's no reason to legally fight over something that's no longer there.
But 12 News has learned that lawsuit may not be over just yet. The reason, students donated a mirror with a religious inscription on it to the principal on Friday. New principal Mark DeFazio accepted the mirror, and hung it in the empty space in the hallway where the Jesus portrait once hung.
The mirror has this message on the bottom of it: "To know the will of God is the highest of all wisdom. The love of Jesus Christ lives within each of us."
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| Can You Be Any More Obvious? | Sep 3rd. at 10:54:44 am EDT
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William (Pictou Landing, Nova Scotia) - Email Me
-Students from the Christian Freedom Alliance Group made the donation.-
From where? the CHRISTIAN what?
...not religious though.... get real.
"We wanted to do something to fill that empty space so we decided that a mirror would be wonderful," says Kathy Currey at the donation ceremony. "That shouldn't be offensive to anyone that everyone has their own God that lives inside them."
No.... everyone does NOT have their own God living inside of them.... that is a very presumptuous and one-sided view.
Stop trying to shove your message down everyone else's throat.
You just can't accept that not everyone wants to be exposed to your Jesus propaganda.
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| "Jesus"+mirror = [insert God Name Here]!? | Sep 2nd. at 11:16:26 pm EDT
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Lasombra (Columbus, Ohio) - Email Me
Yeah, "Jesus" does not mean God/Goddess or multi-god/goddess. This is clearly an attempt to shove their religion down our necks.
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| Hypocrites | Sep 2nd. at 11:14:46 pm EDT
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Llunmere (Germantown Hills, Illinois) - Email Me
I watched this wretch on stage today, singing "This Land Is Your Land" with a clear hangover after singing a horrendously vulgar song about her "kitty" at a family friendly event, and after the end of it, she mentioned that no matter what your political or religious affiliation is, GAWD blesses you.
Her performance was so horrible, I cried. No really, I did.
I don't care what so-called good intentions you claim to profess... if you have the opportunity to say Bless you or May you be Blessed instead of basically saying MAY MY GOD BLESS YOU, everything you have said prior is in vain.
Based on the inscription on the mirror, it seems that someone needs to practice what they preach.... Maybe it's too convenient that a Christian named Martin Luther happened to coin that phrase.
I don't want the wisdom of any god whose followers act this way. I don't want the spirit of any deity whose followers act like total self-centered, bigoted, churlish fools while proclaiming that they have the spirit of the said deity in them and that it is an "all-loving, compassionate God" when they themselves do little to even PRETEND to act that way.
I want no part of it.
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| Majority Religion To Impose Majoritarian Tyranny | Sep 2nd. at 1:01:46 pm EDT
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karrie9 (Kenosha, Wisconsin) - Email Me - Web
Yup, that's the error of today's choice -- mistaking majority vote/opinion/religion for the right to majoritarian tyranny.
This error is why separation of church and state came about and why equal civil rights are to be decided separately -- not by the majority.
The inscription reads: "To know the will of God is the highest of all wisdom. The love of Jesus Christ lives within each of us."
That would be “Christian only” and it’s invoking the Holy Trinity -- the word "trinity" not actually found in the New Testament.
There was a highly politicized "Arian controversy" [Web LINK] over the concept of the Holy Trinity, a concept ushered into doctrine by the Council of Nicea, a council which was presided over by Emperor Constantine, the first emperor to legalize Christianity.
It’s always politically charged to legalize religions and it’s always politically charged to put up Christian only relics in federally funded public schools, even if the majority of students are Christian.
They will loose, despite the fact that a student presented the mirror to the school -- it didn't go in a private office -- it was hung as a public statement and representation..
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| Ya Right... | Sep 2nd. at 7:53:05 am EDT
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NightLad (Toronto, Ontario) - Email Me
The "students" donated the mirror? Sure. Okay. Riiight. It may have been dropped off by some kids, but I doubt they gathered their allowances together, found an inscription company that did mirrors, rode their bikes to the store, and got it done all on their own.
Mmm'k.
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| Do You Remember... | Sep 2nd. at 4:33:25 am EDT
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Taliesin (Northgate, Washington) - Email Me
the 80's movie a weekend at Bernie's? It's where these two young guys accidentally kill this guy named Bernie but they have to find a way to make everyone else believe he's still alive by animating Bernie's corps in various ways. It's a complete riot!! And an allegory of what these people are trying to do with the fake Jesus they've created.
They are taking political action, taking control of politics to animate a dead Jesus, the idol they've created so no one finds out that he really is gone, especially themselves. They can't bear the thought; it gnaws at them daily.
Mean while, they still await the rapture. I don't think it's happened yet....no empty SUV's or piles of empty tacky polyester cloths on the side of the road. Thats because the rapture was actually the invention of a Civil War veteran in 1840 named Dr. John Cumming an eloquent preacher of the apocalypse dogma.
I mean how would you feel if you've been lied to for 2000 plus years and believed every word of it? They're scared...so scared they have to create the apocalypse they so long awaited and feel they have to control what people have available to them in the public schools.
When i was a preacher in a pentecostal seminary, I was told that a liberal arts education was "Of The Devil."
Go figure....
T.
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| To Quote This... | Sep 2nd. at 2:20:18 am EDT
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Angelica (Moscow, Idaho) - Email Me
"We wanted to do something to fill that empty space so we decided that a mirror would be wonderful," says Kathy Currey at the donation ceremony. "That shouldn't be offensive to anyone that everyone has their own God that lives inside them."
Oh, yes, that's a wonderful argument; wait, what does the mirror say again?
"The mirror has this message on the bottom of it: 'To know the will of God is the highest of all wisdom. The love of Jesus Christ lives within each of us.'"
Yeah, and somehow, Jesus Christ equates to all my gods and goddesses? What would the school do if the Pagan Alliance Club donated a mirror that had the Charge of the Goddess etched on it. "...for if that which you seek, you find not within yourself, you will never find it without." Oh yes, I can see it now. I'm sure the school would hang it on the wall for all the students to see and they'd say, "...I do think it's a pretty strong message from the students."
I love religious equality.
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| So, Ah.... | Sep 2nd. at 1:13:02 am EDT
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karrie9 (Kenosha, Wisconsin) - Email Me - Web
Did Jesus insist on putting his likeness up anywhere? I don't recall that in the bible...and I read the whole thing.
You think it's my memory?
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Nah!
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| Christians Must Dominate! | Sep 2nd. at 12:17:38 am EDT
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Richard Brownbear (North Wilkesboro, North Carolina) - Email Me
....at least that is the endemic mindset of most Christians.
To allay their own doubts and fears, Christians must:
1. Be in the majority at all times.
2. Be able to "flaunt" thier holiness to show everyone else what good Christians they are.
3. Push their religion on everyone else (if EVERYONE is doing it, it MUST be right!)
4. Stop any other religion from voicing other views (to stop from exposing those pesky doubts) .
5. Try to make Christianity the one and only "true" religion, because if you don't agree wtih them, then something might be wrong with Christianity, despite it's flaws and problems that can be conveniently ignored.
6. Not allow other people to make up thier own minds, because they might choose the "wrong" choice.
7. Hide, deny, or denigrate anything that might oppose Christianity.
So you see, Christianity is like a psychosis to some. It causes all sorts of mental/emotional problems that wouldn't be there if they would just face up to the facts.
And so this leads to wasting precious educational funds to religious frippery and showmanship.
What idiots.
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| Jefferson's Tears | Sep 1st. at 11:25:26 pm EDT
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J & V Enterprises (Sweetwater, Tennessee) - Email Me
"I don't think it'll ever fill the void of what used to be there," says school board member Mike Queen. "But I do think it's a pretty strong message from the students."
The message from the students appears to be that the school system in this county has utterly failed to instruct the students in American history, civics, government, and tolerance. Were any of these topics adequately addressed in the education of these children, this mirror would not have been proferred as a replacement. It is fully apparent that the rotten apple that is spoiling the bushel resides high up and also has no fundamental understanding of the principles on which this nation was founded. Though it is now a seperate state, West Virginia shares with Virginia the honor of being the birth place of the doctrine of the separation of church and state that was authored by Thomas Jefferson. It is unfortunate to see the ideals of Jefferson so freely discarded in their own birthplace.
Bright Blessings,
Jason
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| SOmetimes I Hate It When I Am Right | Sep 1st. at 11:03:01 pm EDT
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WitchPoet (Claremont, California) - Email Me - Web
Well I posted in the comments about the last article that they would replace it with something worse and they DID! IF they had stopped at the first sentence a lot of support would have gone out of the opposition. But no, thaey just HAD to add the 2nd : - )
The willf of the students? I just love the way these people keep forgetting we do NOT live in a pure democracy! Mob rule is not good rule. The mob HAS NO RIGHTS! Individuals have rights in this country. HAve you ever noticed almost all the crying about free speech these wingnuts complain about is not individuals right to free speech, it is majorities free speech rights. I don't remember that concept being addressed in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights or the Declaration.
Now therre is a talking point. IF they talk about how it is about free speech, make them say whose free speech? Individuals or majorities? Ask them why they think the majority has free speech trumping others rights not to be excluded from the government? Remind them that religious tests are specifically forbidden in the Constitution. And ask them why the ACLU is defending a Christian in one of these free speech cases?
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| Screaming For Excederin | Sep 1st. at 9:54:59 pm EDT
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Mysteries Child (Garfield, Arkansas) - Email Me
" 'This clearly runs afoul of the proposed agreement and therefore would not be able to drop this lawsuit,' says ACLU spokesman Andrew Schneider."
At this point, even I have to admit to losing my patience with Bridgeport High School. It is, in my strange little mind anyway, one thing to defend something that's already there, and something else entirely to hang up something new that you know is going to be incendiary.
Especially when the situation is already burning.
Of course, I suppose it's an education in its own right. Just not one of the readin, ritin, and rithmetic variety.
"Supporters of this message says it shouldn't be offensive to the public. Students from the Christian Freedom Alliance Group made the donation."
I'm almost inclined to agree. Almost. One can, if one chooses, include oneself in that message whether one is Christian or not.
Choosing to do so, of course, requires overcoming some very popular (and very loud) dogmatic constructions of who Jesus is and what (not to mention who) He's for.
Spiritual work I would suggest many do, but I've met few who are even able to consider the undertaking.
Equally, it does seem to be an exclusively Theistic message.
"Christian Freedom Alliance Group." Sounds like some very hurt and very frightened-- or very brainwashed-- people.
I'm still inclined to empathize with the "hurt and frightened" construction. I know how much it hurts me to have to be frightened of displaying my *other* sacred symbol.
Y'know, the one that's *not* a Star of David.
Of course, that construction also begs the question of who's feeding their fear.
" ' We wanted to do something to fill that empty space so we decided that a mirror would be wonderful,' says Kathy Currey at the donation ceremony. 'That shouldn't be offensive to anyone that everyone has their own God that lives inside them.' "
There are a lot of things that could fill that empty space, and not all of them are religious in nature.
I tend to agree that it shouldn't be offensive. Religion shouldn't be an issue that's so damn polarized that no one can tolerate the suggestion of the existence of someone else's. That's how it's always been, and that's what leads to religious wars and efforts to crush entire belief systems (which, yes, predate Christianity) .
Oh, yeah-- and I must have missed the article where someone snatched the picture. Which I think is pretty damn low.
Again, on the other hand, this is a situation involving a great many teenagers. I remember being a teenager. I was not famed for thinking things through to a logical, ethical, or pragmatic conclusion. I was, actually, emotionally driven, reactionary, and incendiary. And I enjoyed it.
Speaking of my misspent adolescence, why do I hear Bob Dylan singing "Masters of War" in my head??
I hope all the damn culture warriors are still going to be around when it's time to clean up the battlefields. *snort* Fat chance.
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| Just As Offensive , If Not More | Sep 1st. at 9:40:55 pm EDT
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Shadow (Webb City, Missouri) - Email Me
The mirror that was donanted is just as offensive if not more so than the painting. The last sentence names the christian god Jesus. How can they say its not christian and should not be offensive. These people just want to push thier religion onto everyone. If they wanted to make it non offensive to everyone, they should have put in the words Gods and/or Goddesses, and left out Jesus christ. When they named the christian god , it made the mirror totally and complete a christian thing. PULL IT DOWN, it does not belong in a public school.
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| Yes It IS A Strong Message | Sep 1st. at 9:37:46 pm EDT
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Rowan Foxfyre (Indianapolis, Indiana) - Email Me
The Message says I Disrespect all religions but my own. I do everything possible to trivialize your belief and place mine at the forefront.
Sad.
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| Yeah, Right | Sep 1st. at 7:55:02 pm EDT
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Lorca (Longview, Washington) - Email Me
"That shouldn't be offensive to anyone that everyone has their own God that lives inside them."
Honey, when the text on your mirror states, in no uncertain terms, that God = Jesus Christ, you run the risk of offending others by placing that mirror in a building built for and funded by the public. Grow up, and take your juvenile attempts at sneaking your religion into places it does not belong home with you.
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