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 Army Says 12 Dead, 31 Injured At Fort Hood Author: NBC News and msnbc.com Source: MSNBC Title: ARMY SAYS 12 DEAD, 31 INJURED AT FORT HOOD At least one U.S. soldier opened fire Thursday at Fort Hood, Texas, killing 12 people and wounding 31 others, military officials said. One gunman was shot to death, and two other soldiers were in custody, Lt. Gen. Bob Cone told reporters. It was not immediately known whether the victims were all soldiers or civilians, but Cone said at least one of those killed was a civilian police officer and NBC affiliate KCEN-TV of Waco reported that at least four SWAT officers were among those wounded. Fort Hood, one of the largest military complexes in the world, was on lockdown, as were schools in the area. Cone gave no further details on the dead gunman. A senior administration official told NBC News analyst Roger Cressey that one of the suspects who was in custody was an Army major. | |
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| Cluster*** Central | Nov 8th. at 9:09:43 pm EST |
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R. Cicero (Seattle, Washington) - Email Me Well, it's disingenuous to say it's not about Islam, because even if that wasn't the shooter's motivation, then surely it was indadvertently, since he was (apparently) repeatedly harassed for being Muslim. There's no avoiding the issue, but then we should all fully expect the Army to shove multiple aspects of this case under a camouflage tarp, ASAP. Details of the takedown are already muffled and highly suspect, wouldn't you say? I would. It's the friggin' military. We've got some Kuwaiti incubators, straight from the Gulf of Tonkin for you. Buy now, and we'll throw in some black hoods and car batteries. A major problem I've noticed is that even if you are not personally involved in things like torturing prisoners and secret killings and other highly unsavory practices, then you are probably rubbing shoulders with those that have, or taking orders from those who know a little too much. Keep in mind the highly dangerous circumstances under which the public gained insight into things like Abu Ghraib, or this horrific Halliburton rape case. That's just what we've heard about, all of which is outside the NORMAL range of all the USUAL horrors of war, including having a large target plastered on your ass. All I'm saying is that while this IS a shocking turn of events, it's not that surprising. Soldiers are expected to tolerate inhuman levels of subjugation and tolerate impossible and, most recently, highly suspect orders in the course of fighting highly ILLEGAL wars. Not that the law ever stopped anyone from doing anything, of course. It's a sick joke ('the law') , just another blunt weapon to pummel others with indiscriminately. To make a long story short, some of these people are going to snap, whether or not they've seen combat. And they do, and they just did. What's unusual in this case is that 'he' (assuming it was just one) didn't take out his family too, or at least first. |
| Retaliation Doesn't Help | Nov 8th. at 2:56:51 pm EST |
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Aritimi (RotterdamJct/Schdy/Scotia, New York) - Email Me the previous poster made a very good point, and I commend him for saying so. There are some here who think that every Muslim in the world is somehow a terrorist, sleeper agent, or in collusion with Al Qaeda in some fashion. They also think all Christians are evangelical, born-again psychopaths. After this horrible incident took place, hate mail and death threats began flooding Muslim organizations across this country. All over, Muslims are scared that they'll be the targets of some lynch mob out for revenge. That's real patriotic, isn't it? Lest we ALL forget, before 9/11, the worst attack on American soil was committed BY AN AMERICAN. A former soldier, Timothy McVeigh. He was not Muslim, or of Arab descent. He was white. So, to those of you who hate Muslims, what does that say to you? You haters among us are the worst kinds of hypocrites. You claim your pagan faith is so much better than ANY of the mainstream religions, then you spout such poison like this. You make me ashamed to consider myself pagan when you parade around like that. I am NOT an apologist, nor am I in support of what that man did. No doubt about it, he will get punished, and I hope severely. I have no sympathy for him at all. My heart goes out to all the soldiers who lost their lives from the attack, and those injured. My heart aches for all those who had to witness such horror. But let me repeat this; retaliation against anyone who shared this man's faith, even if they despised what he did, will not solve anything. Beating or killing Muslims in this country will not bring back those who died, though you may think it justifies your anger. It will only lead to more pain. |
| Let's Keep This In Perspective..... | Nov 7th. at 10:13:05 pm EST |
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nasionnaich (Stanchfield, Minnesota) - Email Me Ok, so the "shooter" (actually, he's still only suspected of being the shooter - and still only HE knows what his motives were at this point) was a guy named "Hasan" and he just happens to be Muslim. Big deal, there are plenty of murderers in Army uniforms who happen to be followers of the other "peace-loving" religion. Is he guilty JUST BECAUSE he happens to be Muslim? I don't think so, unless others who kill are just as guilty JUST BECAUSE they happen to be Pagan or Wiccan. He didn't want to be sent to Iraq or Afghanistan, likely because of his religious beliefs, but that alone does not mean he killed BECAUSE OF his religious beliefs. One of the most likely scenarios leading to this latest tradgedy? I'm betting Major Hasan was harrassed because of his religion, and simply "snapped" after being told he had no choice but to go where he would likely have to kill people who share his religion. Perhaps you would like to have all Muslims forever banned from serving in the U.S. Armed Forces? Well, that would make you just like the Religious Wrong Christian Conservative Fundamentalists who wish to have all Pagans and Wiccans -- along with all the "undesirables" such as Gays, Lesbians, etc -- forever banned from serving in the U.S. Armed Forces. Such Patriotism, it makes my heart sick. Those who call for an end to the violence and war over religion, yet continually condemn others JUST BECAUSE OF those other's religion, are just as guilty of the violence as any "Jihadist" terrorist. All you people are doing is giving the real terrorists the "ammunition" they so desperately crave: "Look, they really do hate us for our religious beliefs. It is our sacred duty to cleanse their Evil from the earth by killing them all". --nasionnaich p.s., Something nobody here has yet pointed out, something which is VERY important: Hasan's parents emigrated from ISRAEL.He definitely isn't "Arab" (not that anyone has claimed he is - yet) . |
| Just Wondering | Nov 7th. at 3:42:27 pm EST |
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urben rebel (fort worth, Texas) - Email Me Does anyone know if any of the fhoc lost any members? we all need to keep in our prayers for the families that have lost someone. the military is about to give them the preverable boot. |
| May Healing Come.... | Nov 7th. at 1:29:29 pm EST |
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Mar-Garet (Appalachia, Pennsylvania) - Email Me My condolences to all who were hurt in this situation. May healing come to those who must go on....and may our country find a way to heal our citizens and our relationship with the World, and with each other. May this painful and horrible situation remind us that violence needs to be a last resort only. |
| Scary Stuff | Nov 7th. at 1:00:20 pm EST |
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Zodiac (Waverly, Nebraska) - Email Me It just keeps on getting better. |
| This Hadji Is A Coward And Murderer | Nov 6th. at 11:10:05 pm EST |
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Wind Storm (Wonder Lake, Illinois) - Email Me This stupid Hadji if he was deployed would have probably never have left his FOB let alone ever fire his rifle. His beliefs are no excuse for his actions. Kinda makes me wish there was a hell so he could be sent there. May the rest of his life be filled with pain and agony. |
| I'm Sure... | Nov 6th. at 9:52:39 pm EST |
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Zodiac (Waverly, Nebraska) - Email Me ...this had nothing to do with Islam. |
| Needs To Be Said | Nov 6th. at 4:14:44 pm EST |
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Terry (Irvington, Virginia) - Email Me A perverse truth is that there are valid legal grounds for practically anyone in the military to shoot pretty much everyone else in the chain of command, up, down, or sideways, who has directly or indirectly perpetrated a series of illegal wars for economic and political tampering with foreign sovereigns, or acted as a "domestic enemy" in Bush regime style circumvention of Constitutional limits Obama has only made baby steps to reduce. There's little evidence that was a specific justification or motivation in this case, but likely from what's been reported was a major influence of someone snapping, unable to reconcile fundamentally illegal uses of the US military, such that EVERYONE involved has a legal duty to stop the Bush regime, fellow troops as its mercenaries, and its successors in the new administration. That conflict was reportedly the reason Peter Pace as former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs had a massive falling out with Rumsfeld, as field marshal to Dark Lord Cheney. Rummie's attitude was that people aware of illegal actions by Bush regime operatives had a duty to submit some papers for the circular file, whereas Pace was aware and vocal about at least some situations where the obligation under US and international law is to "stop" fellow troops, that meaning using all necessary force presumably in many cases by immediate summary execution of military criminals, officer, enlisted, or Blackwater style contractor. These have been ongoing problems for medical professionals. Both APA's (American Psychological & Psychiatric Associations) have had active policy discussions about issues of malpractice and ethics of doctors who support illegal war actions, including PsyOps, torture techniques, etc. Some well credentialed doctors are on record explaining how Bush (and subordinates) based on their actions fit the legal and medical criteria for involuntary medical lockup until they no longer pose a danger to themselves or others, based on how the US thug predator policies have been executed over the last 7 years. Any competent doctor must be aware of that, as well as how the torture to US troops subjected to conditions likely to harm millions of people in US society 30 years from now is likely to be a more severe public health problem in the USA than still present consequences of Viet Nam. Do those preparing for another round of illegal occupation of Iraq and made targets of this incident deserve sympathy? No. Perhaps those already enlisted 7 years ago, and subjected to Bush orders and a broken justice system in the US military to torment anyone refusing illegal orders (including support of entire illegal wars, not just specific immediate acts) deserve some sympathy for the conflict they had no good choices to handle. Anyone now enlisted either re-upped or signed below the recruiter lies since then, and so has intentionally chosen to conspire in a criminal enterprise. They deserve not respect, but treatment as violent felons or co-conspirators with same. That, not "promote our troops as criminal thugs for corrupt regimes", is a patriotic American stance. We have seen the enemy, and it is us. Sadly, like a bad lawyer joke, this incident is too little, too late, and only small fry. If only honest election process prevailed in 2000, it's very unlikely Gore would have trashed the world economy for profiteering to family and friends selling overpriced war toys. As the classic movie War Games reminded us in cases like this, "The only way to win is not to play." |
| Possibilities | Nov 6th. at 12:52:05 pm EST |
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Ahr-Ohn (Bridgeport, Connecticut) - Email Me My commendations, to the officer who took down this specimen, for later questioning. It's not likely the major intended to survive this suicide attempt, and survival of suicide by cop is very rare. Likely candidates are the old story about the suicide counsellor who commits suicide, and some of the treatments tried for PTSD have been know to have such side effects. The fellow had been cast down from Walter Reed, so he may have been a lousy Psychiatrist, which probably isn't a reason for condemnation, or he may have cared about his job. I suspect he was overwhelmed, by the task of dealling with PTSD, may then have Self Medicated, and any cry of Alahu Akbar would have been mere Window Dressing to his madness. PTSD by Contagion is going to enter the books as an occupational hazard, a form of Employee Burnout. Extending ones heart towards The Black Stone can work wonders, on Warsickness, as on Homesickness, if the Mullah is able to acknowledge well. Mohammed knew what he was doing. My condolences to those who'd shot back, in misdirection; I think some Drill might be added, for future such events, and would only be a matter or recognizing such windows. Arawn Graalrd |
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Draken (Bronx, New York) - Email Me - Web The part in Full Metal Jacket where Private Pyle shoots Gunny Hartman comes to mind. This sort of thing is VERY possible to happen on US soil, and the shrink (who CNN recently reported was still alive) is proof that anyone can snap. |
| Latest Updates | Nov 6th. at 1:31:41 am EST |
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Opus the Poet (Garland, Texas) - Email Me - Web Last I heard the shooter was alive, and that the civilian cop was alive also. They are still listing 12 dead and 31 injured, which is a heck of a lot of bullets from 2 revolvers considering that the cop was shot multiple times. I'm thinking that if that number is correct that some of the people returning fire were shot by "friendly" fire, i.e. they got shot at, returned fire and other people saw them shooting and mistook them for the original shooter until you had a bunch of people shooting at near random. I'm sure it will take much forensic analysis of the bullets to figure out just how many people the shooter (Hassan) shot and how many people were shot in the confusion (which I understand to be a painful place to get shot) . I understand that 2 other people were arrested because they were shooting during the event, but were released later. That's all I know at this point. |
| Blessed To Have My Husband Safe | Nov 5th. at 11:20:02 pm EST |
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Charise820 (Kempner, Texas) - Email Me I am so blessed that my husband is safe through all of this. We are now here at fort hood. and let me tell you it's a crappy place in my POV. THis is a horrible thing that just shows that we do not provide the right aid to our troops when they return home. Some bases have a wait list of a year...well they redeploy after a year too. This shows burn out. |
| Good Grief, This Is Terrible. | Nov 5th. at 11:12:25 pm EST |
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Medea (Somewhere, Massachusetts) - Email Me So many of these mass shootings, and the ones where the shooter seemed like a "fine, family type" and then they blow their fine family away... I would like to know if there is any data concerning the people who commit these sudden, seemingly unprovoked crimes, and extant usage history of any of the "new" generation of anti-anxiety, and anti - depressant prescription medication. Many of these cause sudden psychosis. this isn't rumour, it's listed as a "possible rare side effect" of the medication . It has been alleged, albeit hushed up, that there are more problems with rogue psychotic reactions to these medications than Big Pharma would like us to know about, and this particular "rare side effect" is a lot less rare than they want to let on. Is it mere coincidence that since these drugs were developed, then rushed through the FDA "clinical trials" with a concommitant deluge of prescriptions for these things written for everything from a mild case of the blues to full blown schitzoid disorders, that there has been a distinct increase in events of this nature? My opinion? No. |
| My Son Is Safe.Thank All Dietes! | Nov 5th. at 10:16:04 pm EST |
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Denise (Bremerton, Washington) - Email Me But, I don't know if anybody he knew on base was killed or injured. When his father and I signed the paperwork for Robert to go into the Army at 17, we thought that we wouldn't have to worry about him being in any real danger until or unless he was sent Iraq or Afganistan. As a veteren,I must state that something like this should never have happened on American soil,much less on an American military base. |
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