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 FBI Wants Records Kept Of Web Sites Visited Author: Declan McCullagh Source: CNET.com Title: FBI WANTS RECORDS KEPT OF WEB SITES VISITED The FBI is pressing Internet service providers to record which Web sites customers visit and retain those logs for two years, a requirement that law enforcement believes could help it in investigations of child pornography and other serious crimes. FBI Director Robert Mueller supports storing Internet users' "origin and destination information," a bureau attorney said at a federal task force meeting on Thursday. As far back as a 2006 speech, Mueller had called for data retention on the part of Internet providers, and emphasized the point two years later when explicitly asking Congress to enact a law making it mandatory. But it had not been clear before that the FBI was asking companies to begin to keep logs of what Web sites are visited, which few if any currently do. The FBI is not alone in renewing its push for data retention. | |
| Community Thoughts: There are 21 comments posted | Reverse Sort |
| Yikes! | Feb 8th. at 3:10:53 pm EST |
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Winddragon (anderson, South Carolina) - Email Me So my wife may be informed by the G-men that I've been watching lesbian porn? I'm gonna build a bigger dog house. With internet. We know what's illegal and if we don't do those things, we don't have anything to worry about do we? Ask a Native American if you should trust the government. |
| Regarding The Bill Of Rights | Feb 8th. at 8:29:54 am EST |
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Eran Rathan (Old Town, Maine) - Email Me I have two thoughts regarding this: 1. There are three ways of removing a corrupt government, in order, guaranteed by the Constitution: the Ballot, the Bench, and the Bullet. 2. The Second Amendment secures all of the others. Jefferson was correct in saying, "Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves are its only safe depositories. " Eran Rathan |
| Oops. | Feb 8th. at 6:19:51 am EST |
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Ravenix (Newcastle, England) - Email Me Apparently my browser went back too far and I posted on the wrong story XD. Apologies all! This was meant to be on the story about the democrats changing the religious dress code laws in schools. |
| -.- | Feb 8th. at 6:18:24 am EST |
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Ravenix (Newcastle, England) - Email Me “A small cross may not. A full Gothic Wiccan garb might”. Urgh. Honestly! Not all Wiccans are Goths and vice versa. Yes, I'm a Goth and a Tradwitch, but that's beside the point XD. They should make it so that you can only wear a small religious symbol, nothing more. No huge golden crucifixes, no massive pentagrams, no burkhas, nothing OTT. The kids are there to learn, not to have their teachers arguing about religion. |
| User Beware | Feb 7th. at 11:18:58 pm EST |
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NOVA (New Brunswick, New Jersey) - Email Me Think this is anything new? Think again...it's been around since the 80's. Did anyone watch the program "Inside the Mind of Google"? They collect and store far reaching data on all users, even those at home. They say they keep it confidential, and only use it to improve their business, but Yahoo and AOL said the same thing years ago, before they released their records to the govt. Now a person can't even do research for school without the possibility of ending up on a terrorist watch list. It's too late already, all our info is out there. We're all out-of-the-closet now. No one can claim to be a private witch anymore. |
| My Correction | Feb 7th. at 4:11:24 pm EST |
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Marshall (Malone, New York) - Email Me Lorca - yes, sorry. I did mis-speak when I said "any religious activity". That is, of course, incorrect. And for any governmental body to sponsor the trappings of any one religion over another is certainly wrong. Unfortunately it has gone way past that. If a private organization wants to set up a display in, say, a city park - whoops, can't do that. That might be construed as the city sponsoring the display. Not to say there will always be a complaint, but if there is... As far as the schools go, there was an issue some time back in the news. Even given the tendency for the media to overblow things, it did come down to a question of whether even a "moment of silence" would be allowed. In the end, I think that is what was decided. I do maintain that the Founding Fathers did mean "establishment" in the truest sense. Remember, it hadn't been very far back that all Englishmen had to be members of the "official" church. But, in the absence of Franklin, Washington, or any of the other delegates to the committee, I guess the definitive answer can't be known. So, let us agree to disagree. And isn't it amazing how we have gone from internet snooping to Christmas displays in the village green? |
| Hey Marshall | Feb 7th. at 1:00:26 pm EST |
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Darach (Glendale, Arizona) - Email Me Yeah, you got me. Thanks for that- it was late and I knew that it was J. Edgar, but my fingers were on their own program while typing. I love Eddie Izzard's bit about him. |
| Franklin Was Right... | Feb 7th. at 12:12:10 pm EST |
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Lorca (Longview, Washington) - Email Me And Marshall..., dead wrong. The courts, including the SCOTUS, which rarely actually rules on such things, have never ruled against "any religious activity...". Yes, they have made such rulings where the activity was _sponsored_by_, or otherwise given preferential treatment by, a government entity. The rationale for this is well established and is set to conform to, not to be at odds with, The Constitution. The "establishment clause" made it quite clear that the government was not to be in the business of religion. Period. That means no "official prayer" at the opening of city council meetings, no nativity scenes on government property, etc. It does NOT mean, as the tea-bag idiots so love to believe, that children can't pray in school. They can. The have always had that right and, I pray, always will. What does not exist is the right for the school, or anyone else for that matter, to insert their prayer as a part of an official school function. Why, oh why, is this so hard to understand? lendb5, I wish I could share your optimism. The race toward dismantling our Constitutionally protected liberties, in the name of "safety" or "security" seems to be picking up speed, rather than slowing. "Fishing" through two year's worth of log files (the managing and keeping of which will be a ruinously expensive task, BTW) is indeed an outrageous violation of our rights, but the "think of the children" meme is strong. One argues against at peril of being labeled as favoring child molesters, a logically absurd but nonetheless politically real risk. And it IS a reality precisely because ignorance of the Constitutional principles involved is so pervasive. |
| It's The Courts | Feb 7th. at 10:18:19 am EST |
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Marshall (Malone, New York) - Email Me It is correct that Constitution would not allow the investigations/holding of ISP information. However, the Supreme Court could easily allow it - even though they are supposed to be the ones to uphold the Constitution in the legal world. The Court has gone against the Constitution a number of times in its history. Some will undoubtedly be familiar with the Dred Scott Decision - for the rest of you who aren't, the Court, in 1857, declared that blacks were not citizens of the United States and were not to be afforded the privileges that goes with being citizens. This despite the fact that at that time the vast majority of blacks had been born in the US. Even today, Article I of the Bill of Rights is violated by the Court: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." The US has not, nor has ever to my knowledge, established a religion. Yet ruling after ruling disallows any religious event - most noticeably Christmas scenes - every year. So, while there may be an argument that the Constitution would not allow such searches and record holdings, that piece of paper can't testify in court. That voice comes from the Court, and often they rule based on the times, not the thoughts of the Founding Fathers. BTW, it was J. Edgar Hoover who was the cross-dresser. |
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Draken (Bronx, New York) - Email Me - Web 4th Amendment. |
| They May Want It | Feb 7th. at 8:46:33 am EST |
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Dennis Deal (Nazareth, Pennsylvania) - Email Me But the real question how many of these ISPs will voluntarily do it? Or rather will do it with out disclosing the fact? And today it is investigating child porn.. Tomorrow it will be national security.. The day after that it will be any thing that they feel the necessity for looking into anyones past to see what any of us was viewing on a certain day. Just make sure that no crimes were being committed. Welcome to 1984 and a Brave New World wrapped up into one... |
| Forgive Typos. | Feb 7th. at 8:16:17 am EST |
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lendb5 (Lawrenceville - 30044, Georgia) - Email Me - Web Please forgive typos in last post. "there on my own." ..... told you I needed that cup of coffee! :) |
| This Is So Incredibly Scary. | Feb 7th. at 8:14:48 am EST |
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lendb5 (Lawrenceville - 30044, Georgia) - Email Me - Web As a law student, I want to say that there is no possible way that the Constitution will uphold what is so clearly a violation of both your fourth and fourteenth amendment rights. Unfortunately, however, as a perceptive person living in the current era of "change" and the "yes, we can" regime, I am sadly convinced that we are being given a glimpse into our futures. (Apparently, the "yes, we can" attitude is more approrpiately directed to government officials and politicians who wish to continually encroach on constitutionally recognized and fundamental rights) . I want to commend those commentaters who have drawn parallels between terroristic groups and what the US goverment is attempting to do. Bravo! It's 8:00 in the morning here, I have not yet had my mornin 'cuppa, and I don't think I could have gotten their own my own. I completely agree that this is unbearably and especially intrusive, and is meritoriously analagous to Orwellian tactics. Someone needs get a coalition going and nip this in the bud, |
| OK.... TURNAABOUT IS FAIR PLAY! | Feb 7th. at 6:58:32 am EST |
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Lady Whitewolf (Schenectady, New York) - Email Me I say that if the FBI wants to keep records on WHO is visiting WHAT websites, they should be FORCED to list who they are spying on! Love to all |
| Invasion Of Privacy Aside... | Feb 7th. at 5:47:18 am EST |
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Laura C. (Weston, Florida) - Email Me When I was a teenager, there was That One Person on a chatroom I frequented. This person, more often than not, posted wonderful artwork she had created. Unfortunately, every now and then she would do a bait-and-switch, and that link would lead to unusual and disturbing pornographic images (which, based on the style, were NOT drawn by this person) . It was frustrating if you actually enjoyed her artwork, because she never posted to any art-hosting sites, and the main page of her personal site was made private, so if you wanted to see the art, you had to play the Internet version of Russian roulette. Imagine you or someone in your household falling for a link bait-and-switch like that. Now imagine YOU getting blamed for it, as if you'd deliberately sought out the illicit material, and going to prison. The FBI apparently forgets that some people are quite malicious when they're hiding behind the anonymity of the Internet. It also forgets that some of us have unusual, but legal, interests that we don't want the whole world to know about. Would you want to be "outed" by the government? Seriously, someone needs to give the FBI a nice whack with the 4th Amendment, because this reeks of "unwarranted searches and seizures." |
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